John Lennon <-> his official double

when were doubles first used for john and george?

what determined when a double would be officially photographed?

(it is risky to have photos of lookalikes mixed in with those of the genuine person, as sooner or later someone will compare and contrast them).

it is getting harder and harder to make sense of this.

as the grateful dead put it, "the faster we go the rounder we get"

my brain is putty in your hands, beatlepaul.

Well, it's 2005, very nearly 2006. This is a far as the train goes, or at least, this is as far as it has gotten. It's been almost 40 years since the date in question, some time in the Fall of 1966. We're not even solid on the month......

Some people consider the number 40, from a biblical numerolgy, to be the symbol of "trial". 40 days fasting in the desert, or 40 years wandering in
the wastelands of north-west Arabia, or Moses living alone for 40 years before leading the people out of Egypt, 40 days and night of rain in the Flood, 40 years of rule by King David over a temporarily unified Israel,
et al, there are more examples, but 40 seems to earmark a period of "trial" or even "probation", maybe even "testing". A sentence imposed on a person or a situation-----usually beyond his control or choosing, and it appears, ultimately for the person, or the situation's, ultimate good.

In other words, 40 years/days/months/ what have you, indicates the period of a "sustained condition" which serves to establish the integrity of the thing tested. It "tries" the thing as a metalurgist tests metals to ascertain their strength.

I don't know how or if that can be said to apply here. I throw it out there for
thought-food. If it doesn't seem to fit for you the reader, dismiss it. I am not
attached to the idea by a beknotted bungie cord. It's just a thought.

Which gives rise to this thought: how "long" is "long enough" to understand a mystery on the sheer basis of a body of speculation, the assembly of all known resources, and the active "cogitation" of a several dozen thinkers?
Thinkers of diverse talents, outlook, and dedication? (or do I mean, obsession? Oh, that lousy word. Well, obsessed but not freaky-weird-psycho.
That's next year. BWA--HA-HA-HA-HA! Just kidding. All in kind jest.)

But all the kings horses and all the kings men, I mean, all Sunkings posters and all Sunkings associates (whosoever that describes) can't thoroughly solve the riddle. Or, let me add politely, not CAN'T, but rather HAVEN'T YET ELECTED TO DO SO..............?eh?

But perhaps it is not within pratical reach, even for the cleverest. PaulWasReplaced isn't the only brick wall enigma in the world. HA! No.

How about Shakespeare?

There was the Christopher Marlowe, Francis Bacon, Queen, Walter Raleigh,
etc. "royal bastard son" theory.

Years ago, and still no one knows.

And now......there's THIS:

enjoyment.independent.co.uk/books/features/article312358.ece

I dunno. Now he's a double agent? For the Pope? Who wrote this book? It wasn't Sunking! It's some lady who is having trouble getting it solidly published. Well no wonder. Those are ideas whose time is long away. Yet, some who have read its theory (click to link to decipher what that is)
have grown attached to it. These Shakespeare-obsessed FAN-atics, well, will they ever stop?

It's been going on for going on 400 years. (Hmmmm, 40x10=400, so it'll soon be a mulitple of 40 somehow.......)In 2016 Shakespeare WILL have been dead for 400 years.......when he'd be 452........not 464.......oh well

"Will thou still needeth me, will thou still feedeth me, when the sum of my years exceedeth 452"......hmmm, what is tha divisible by?

Never mind, I am twaddling silly to make a point.

Shakespeare is DEAD. That we know. We don't even really know who the hell he was, but unless he was a supernatural, he's dust like everyone else from the 16th century. Dead and buried and in the grave.

But we, with our computers, vast systems of networking, and access to ABSOLUTELY EVERY LAST TRIFLING LITTLE PIECE OF MINUTIA LEFT ON THE PLANET ABOUT Willy Shakespeare, still do not know.......

exactly what to, or not to, attribute to his memory.

And it's really not even his fault, nor was it probably an immense, far-entangled conspiracy.

If anyone has studied the Bard enough to feel confidant in their knowledge, and that the standard story about him is the exact true one, I welcome a rebuttal and a correction. I am not a Shakespeare scholar. I may ere in what I am reporting. I am just pointing up the parallel situation, centuries apart, that since time has not clarified the Shakespearian legacy for everyone, time may not clarify the Beatle legacy for everyone for a long long time, either. If ever.

Not until long after Vera, Chuck, And Dave come forward and tell us what they know.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Now you're contradicting your own theory.

Something else....

What was the Name of Johns last Album - wasn't it double fantasy !?

See you later, alligator

John Lennon's double was the best one.

His only "Achilles heel"?

His jawbone.

You're showing a picture of John, John (2), and John flipped and you say John (2) was the best "replacement"? If so, than I would seriously consider glasses. You know why the second and the third pic don't look exactly the same: one is the left and the other is the right side. A face isn't asymmetrical. We had an entire (pointless) topic about that:

60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=paul&action=display&thread=1125345720&page=1

Please read all topics before posting.

Beware!
Only the central photo is about John's double.
The photos on sides are about THE TRUE JOHN.

Avoid the term "looks like" and measure the jawbone length



Sources from the left to the right:

The Anthology Collection - Redferns Collection - Redferns Collection.


(Tip: zoom over John's double ear and you will find that...)

I've checked....

On MMT alternating presence mainly on photos.

But SURELY who on "All You Need Is Love" footage there were all doubles....




... the "message" was clear...

OK fair enough, I won't disagree with that, but where is uberkinder these days?

And if he's "two years ahead of us" lets hear the rest!

Just comparing nose lenght and jawbone shape.... it would be more than enough...

John's double had a shorter nose and a different jawbone.

John's double was set up during October 1966 and "tested" on the last scenes of "How I won the war" on early November 1966.

I still remember a George Martin interview (about George Harrison death) where he states he still wonders HOW George could write songs such as "Something" and "Here Comes The Sun" ....

About John's double......

I was always wondering about......

I remember "I'm Down" video (fantastic!)
I remember John on organ playing fantastic and having a very good hands position on the keyboard showing a very good skill ....

I remember "Imagine" video....
Where "John" has a weird hands position on piano keyboard like an absolute beginner.....

(I am a pianist folks....)

so do we really, really REALLY know whether john died or if his assasination was all a huge publicity stunt? do we really know if george got stabbed by an attacker in his home then later died from cancer? maybe it's all a number nine dream we've been having.



maybe what we know as the "news" is just a glorified version of the old radio and TV dramas our parents used to watch.....everything we "see" in a big news story being a prop placed there, to fortify an illusion. never forget that many things we do NOT see with our eyes are conjured up by our minds, to "fill in the blanks" as we try and figure out what it means to us. it isn't much different than what we do when we hear a beatles song..... i think the official word for it is "envisionment".



considering how all the principal players in this have kept quiet about paul, all they'd have to do is maintain the same level of silence about john and george after they made their respective curtain calls. it's not like anyone is seriously looking for them. would you recognize john lennon if you sat near him in a restaurant? and george was always a recluse anyway.

the more we see the POSSIBILITY of this being true the more it threatens the REST of our beliefs... but that's not necessarily a bad thing these days.