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Post by Chris on Aug 22, 2003 2:00:22 GMT
I agree . She was beyond strange. I'm sure she still is. All I can say is poor John... All we need is love & THE TRUTH... Chris
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Post by Snoopy on Aug 22, 2003 3:21:33 GMT
I rather think the lawsuits will naturally occur ONCE it's been verified that PID is true, otherwise, suing Faul in the civil court on the account of commercial fraud or whatever EVEN before uncovering the truth would be a big mistake. Handing the ultimate verdict in the hands of the court system might be just what Faul's gang would want in order to remove any sort of doubts and reoccurrence of PID accusations from materializing ever again if Faul's side wins the case.
Another thing about the whole lawsuit scenario is that, let's say in some way, somehow, enough people who cared did manage to put together a case and presented it to the court, there would be witnesses to be called upon to testify, and Ringo Starr would be absolutely included on the top of the list, so wouldn't that endanger Ringo's life? I don't think I could take yet another Beatle from being executed. And since Ringo HAD TO KNOW what the truth is, it won't be farfetched for a REAL Beatle member to face lawsuits of all kinds also, including criminal, for being an accessory to identity theft, which is a felony in US. You see, if we don't approach this thing appropriately, what we set out to accomplish just might turn out to be something absolutely different and even a fatal blockade being born in the quest of uncovering the truth. There are many ways to catch the prey, you can chase after it, wait for it, or place a trap to lure it, and as being the smartest hunter would do, I myself would prefer to set a trap and lure the prey into it...only if I were wise enough to know what the perfect trap would be, but I believe this forum is a step in the right direction.
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Post by Forum Manager on Aug 22, 2003 5:32:30 GMT
snoopy, i totally agree!
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Post by Chris on Aug 22, 2003 11:29:54 GMT
;D Snoopy, so do I !!!! Love to all... Chris
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Post by PaulBearer on Aug 22, 2003 16:33:34 GMT
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Mykel
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Post by Mykel on Aug 27, 2003 7:10:50 GMT
Yes, I already know most of the story, the birthday deal really happened and I didn't know who the main man was until the sessions began. And yes, Yoko had more control than anyone except in the creativity dept. - That was definitely John's ball of wax. And NO, I did not play on any of her crap! That was the deal I made with David. Jack is cool to work with and David and John are (were) two of a kind. In fact, I have been under contract with David ever since right up through today! And proud of it, too!! In fact David is promoter on my current project!
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Post by gharryson on Sept 5, 2003 7:04:42 GMT
Ok mykel,
Number one, Julians song was called 'Valotte' not 'volare' (that was a Dean Martin song, and a commercial i believe)
Number two: John has repeatedly stated that he didn't want to make music if Yoko wasn't there....
Number three: critics had stated when the album came out it was her most accessable music ever...some even stated it was better than (God forgive them) better than John's.
Number four: When Julian released his first album I seem to recall a photo of a smiling Julian in between Yoko and Cynthia...who were smiling too by the way...
I just don't see how someone who played on Double Fantasy and Milk and Honey could stated I'm playing on Johns music and not Yokos....I think John would have booted you out of the studio for one...as for the article if we read the back of the single 'walking on thin ice-for john....will see that john wanted to be on yokos b-side....and decided well no one would play the a-side then...and it was decided that they would promote Yoko as a solo artist...
John could have well kept Cyn and Julian out of the loop...but Cyn had stated that (and there is video of this) when they were running for the train...she was left behind and that's when she said 'that's it I've had enough' that was the end for her...i believe the video shot is in the Anthology series...
You stated that 'Ms. Ono is not an innocent bystander' care to elaborate?
Then u state you were on Milk and honey and starting over-what happened with Double Fantasy?
No she was not one to take a back seat..she already was a performance artist before she met him...and a feminists...seems to me in those days women who didn't take a back seat were labled dykes or controlling b*tches...this was the sixties when women were still suppose to have their place....
if she had to keep john in check at all costs why send him on vacations alone with Sean....
and look at her own musical accomplishment...well i'll be just had a number dance track....at 70 years old
and regarding people not having a high regard for Yoko....she's done a hell of a job keeping John in the publics eye....even a songwriting scholarship in his name...
Yoko was so controlling except for the creativity department....that was johns ball of wax....on an album what else would have there to be in contol of?
Do you remember what John said to Tony Levin in the Dakota about his playing per chance? Or are you not at liberty to say in that regard also? Or would that be biased too?
John himself said Double Fantasy could be anything you want it to be....when he first encountered the name is was a flower....that was the beauty of the name it could be anything....You need to be more specific mykel...what did you see happen in the studio? How did she control him...what made u think he was about to discover about Faul....I think we need to approach the facts and evidence number one....what are the facts concerning the evil doing Ono...Give us a quote on John's idea of leaving her...an argument something anything....perhaps we should check out some of the members of the group cheap trick...interviews and such (seriously)...they also played on Double Fantasy....what do u think....we may come up with something there that can be substantiated....just a thought
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Post by gharryson on Sept 5, 2003 7:07:34 GMT
I didn't realize David Geffen was a promoter.....thought he produced?
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Post by beldabeast on Sept 6, 2003 16:02:41 GMT
You know, I really think we should do it. I think we should take our time and contact some Phds; doctors, audio analysts, photographic analysts, forensic anthropologists; and get them to look at the evidence without knowing what they will be looking at. Anybody related to or friends with someone like this should work extra hard to convince them. The animated right profile comparison has convinced me that we have the kind of evidence nescessary to win. There is no possibility the photo is stretched or distorted, since certain features match up along the horizontal dimension, like the basic nose width (not the width of the nostril, though), whereas others do not, like the ear and the position of the eye. The same goes for the vertical dimension, like the nose length matching, but not the chin and bottom of the ear. Any distortion capable of causing changes like that would be painfully apparent to the naked eye. If just one of us tried to sue Faul it would be dismissed and we would be buried. But, if we gathered some credentials to back us up and then we ALL joined in a lawsuit against Faul, then not only would this make headlines around the world and everyone would want to see the evidence, but if he wanted to retaliate, he would have to target a couple dozen different people and it would be nearly impossible for him to single out somebody to sue in return. So let's see if we can't contact some experts. Try and present them with the most convincing evidence, like the head size comparison and the profile. I realize the frontal comparisons are conclusive, but people seem to be able to rationalize them away easier, since it's a two-dimensional representation of the face. The profile, on the other hand, really shows you how fundamentally different the size and shape of the faces is, and of course the difference in head size is just stunning. Heard your song the other day on real play . The link was on another board . I was surprised at the quality , it was really quite good. It started off strong too. I think we should find a organization (s) who are anti-goverment and -or establishment in general . We need allies . I know one "org" that is the "Harry Potter " of the goverment suppression world and may be interested if they havent turned mainstream by now. They also have a excellent in-house intel arm I think one poster is -was with this "org" judging by the terminology used in their posts. There are also splinter groups of the "org" who may be interested . email me if interested in the name of this group.
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Post by Perplexed on Sept 7, 2003 6:26:16 GMT
The music business can be a little funny. For instance: (1) I had a female singer friend who had moved to my hometown from LA. She had been, for two years, in one of the many sanctioned groups of the Platters that in the 70's proliferated. These were produced by the original producers of the Platters, they had legitimate use of the name. They played ships, hotel showrooms, gambling casinos, and mid-sized arenas. They were very rehearsed, very slick, young (generally) and completely unrelated to any members whatsoever of the original group. They were, however, legally positioned to use the name. Individually, they would say, "Yes, I am a Platter." Most audiences knew these were knock-offs, look-a-likes, extensions of the original group, deliberately contracted to perform "Platters' shows". All legal. All legit. It is up to the potential audience member to decide if they pay the charge to enjoy the 'illusion'. They neither claim nor deny that you will see original Platters members.
(2) If you view a "Celebrity Look-a-likes" show of, say, Dolly Parton, she will spend most of the show totally in charactor, if not all. I saw one of hers( the look-a-like) years ago, and I just can not remember if she ever broke charactor and ownwd up to the illusion on stage. Of course, yes, the advertising had to make it quite plain that this was a look-a-like and not the real, public celebrity known as "Dolly Parton."
(3)I went to high school with Mark David Chapman. We knew him as Mark Chapman. We never said Mark David. I am certain as would be true with anyone, that his LEGAL name on any indictments he had relating to his convictions, that his LEGAL name was MARK DAVID CHAPMAN, written in full and in CAPS.
(4) I knew a band in my hoome town that took their name from the club in which they played for several years. Let's call it "Blinkie's". So they were the "Blinkie's Band." Blinkie's closed. One of the band members, a minor one, found a legal way to own the name "Blinkie's Band." He took it, and formed his own band, NONE OF WHOM HAD EVER SET FOOT IN BLINKIE'S, and went off and got fabulous weekend party work, wedding, bar-mitzvahs, etc using the name. Only they could use it. The rest of the original band, including the founder and original leader, legally had to create another name by which to pursue the exact same type of work. guess who, based on local name recognotion, got the most work, at first? The phony Blinkie's, although I will say it was a good band. But it was not the original. ........but in recent years the original fellow has the lion's share of the local work, in fact he has 3 bands to send out now, his reputation is so good. He worked extra hard to overcome the loss of the name.
(4) Certain big name stars may have "LEGAL" access and ownership of certain names---as a business entity. They are not lying. Somewhere there are legal documents, instruments valid in a court of law in many lands, that allow certain individuals free excersize of "nominal" use (I mean name use). Some people are nominal "whatever." But legally, they have duly registered and legal protocol to "bear" and "advertise" certain names.I presume, that a look-a-like has no legal right to use the name of a celebrity still living. An injunction could be put against the usurpr only if they were living. Of course many people have the same name, and I suppose there have been a couple of overlaps. I know that in Actor's Equity, if you belong, no two people can have the exact same name in the union. I had another girlfriend whose name was identical to a screen star, and she had to modify her name slightly to enter the union. She did, and she acts today with an initial in the middle of her name. She is not a big star---that was not a clue. Anyway, if no court, individual, or union is able to contest the use of a name from the standpoint of their particular 'jurisdiction', then one is "Scot Free."
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Post by mws51581 on Jun 17, 2011 16:53:45 GMT
Did this ever come to fruition?
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