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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 5, 2007 17:51:39 GMT
I'd like to see a list of strange and interesting things that people have noticed, but which don't come to the level of clues. It is possible that something you have noticed but haven't fully connected might mesh with something I or someone else has noticed but haven't fully connected, and between us we might discover a new clue.
For example:
Why three Shirley Temples? I understand the reference to "3," but why Shirley Temple?
Why has the area at Marlene Dietrich's feet been airbrushed out? Half of Shirley Temple's legs are brushed over. There is a little gnome between Marlene and Shirley, at their feet, with a white face and a black pointy hat; but his body has been obscured and his face is splotched with ink. Why is this gnome not numbered in the credits?
On the cloth grandmother-figure's dress, between Shirley Temple's legs, are three colored spots in a vertical column: blue on top, green in the middle, and red on bottom. It looks to me like they are diamond shaped.
Why is the little toy car on Shirley Temple's right thigh not numbered in the credits?
Why is Ringo the one with sergeant stripes on his uniform?
Why is is Oliver Hardy a cartoon?
There is a half-exposed face below Bob Dylan and above T.E. Lawrence, with white hair. Why is this person not identified in the numbered credits? Anybody know who it is?
The "stone figure" credited at number 77, to the right of BEATLES, appears to have a tiny dude seated cross-legged at its base. Anybody know anything about this statue, and who the cross-legged figure might be? Is the larger part of the statue a vase? It appears to be holding some yellow hyacinths. Is the cross-legged figure physically attached to the vase or are they separate? It is hard to say.
If the trophy between L and ES makes "LIES," and if the yellow hyacinth bass below that says "PAUL?," then you would expect to find a "HERE" above them. You could stretch and say that because the TV is off that means hear instead of see, so HEAR LIES PAUL? (hair-less Paul? heh) but like I said that is a stretch.
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Post by plastic paul on Jun 7, 2007 11:19:01 GMT
Some very interesting points, I've mused over the Shirley Temple issue before, yet I'm sorry to say I haven't come up with anything. There is much to find on there but translating them into anything resembling evidence is a whole different ball game.
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Post by ccinri on Jun 7, 2007 23:48:51 GMT
Shirley Temples imitated Marlene Dietrich when she was between three and five years old in a film series called Baby Bulesks which was a controversial takeoff of current movies and stars with very young children in adult situations. She played a number of orphans in her movies.
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Post by tkp66 on Jun 8, 2007 1:37:46 GMT
How about this: Sgt Pepper before the Sgt. Pepper LP came out. Starting at 3:05 of "StrawberryFields" video.
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Post by ilras on Jun 9, 2007 16:47:51 GMT
Really nice find! But it seems an elf to me...
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Post by tkp66 on Jun 10, 2007 1:57:13 GMT
Looks like what George has on, mmmm.
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Post by ccinri on Jun 15, 2007 4:48:43 GMT
HC Westermann worked for Disney on Snow White...but he was fired when they found out he was only 16. Snow White has the theme of death and resurrection...and poison apples. Snow White goes into hiding into the woods...the woodsman sent to find her lies about her whereabouts. But the mirror sees all...like on the drum. The Queen is really a witch (yikes...how far does that go?)
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Post by ccinri on Jun 15, 2007 4:50:05 GMT
Temple....freemasons
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Post by ccinri on Jun 15, 2007 5:02:23 GMT
Looking at the RAOB info and basically mirrors Masons.."Everything we do is a part of a single minded plan to secure and maintain the homes and lives of our members and their families. Protection of the fatherless, the orphan child, the widow, the sick, and the aged is all part of and stems from our own home experiences the measure to which many thousand of Buffalos, all over the world believe in and act on their promise to share the responsiblity with us." The Grand Lodge ( Grove House) is called "The World's End". It was a finishing school.
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Post by Maacc on Jun 15, 2007 21:19:00 GMT
Reading the Hiram Key just now, an investigation into the origins of Freemasonry by two freemasons. So far there's been a potted speculative history of Judaism and God. Fascinating info, but will presumably degenerate into unfounded conspiracy theory shortly. Scroll hidden in a hill in Scotland, or something.
Completely irrelevant, but there you go...
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 15, 2007 22:03:10 GMT
Reading the Hiram Key just now, an investigation into the origins of Freemasonry by two freemasons. So far there's been a potted speculative history of Judaism and God. Fascinating info, but will presumably degenerate into unfounded conspiracy theory shortly. Scroll hidden in a hill in Scotland, or something. Completely irrelevant, but there you go... I wouldn't say it is completely irrelevant. I read that book a couple of years back. Yes it is filled with speculation and hypothesis - they even go so far as claiming to have found the real Hiram Abiff, (the central figure in freemasonry ritual and lore). A book like that is entertaining, and if nothing else it can stimulate your mind to look at the world differently. Even if the writers of the Hiram Key go way out there with some of their answers, they do ask some damn fine questions!!! Freemasonry seems to pop up everywhere, and if not freemasonry, then some equivalent 'mystery school' organization - like the Buffalo dude on Sgt Pepper. Why is he "hiding" behind Diana Dors?
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 16, 2007 19:30:47 GMT
Looking at the RAOB info and basically mirrors Masons.."Everything we do is a part of a single minded plan to secure and maintain the homes and lives of our members and their families. Protection of the fatherless, the orphan child, the widow, the sick, and the aged is all part of and stems from our own home experiences the measure to which many thousand of Buffalos, all over the world believe in and act on their promise to share the responsiblity with us." The Grand Lodge ( Grove House) is called "The World's End". It was a finishing school. Hey Bungalo Bill. Hey Buffalo Bill. Hey William of the RAOB? Deep in the jungle where the mighty tiger lies Bill and his elephants were taken by surprise So Captain Marvel zapped in right between the eyes Captain Marvel is of course the alter-ego of Billy Batson. (There be many Williams with dual identities lurking here!) Batson is probably a play on Batman, who was very popular at the time Captain Marvel was created, in 1939.
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Post by Maacc on Jun 17, 2007 21:40:54 GMT
Reading the Hiram Key just now, an investigation into the origins of Freemasonry by two freemasons. So far there's been a potted speculative history of Judaism and God. Fascinating info, but will presumably degenerate into unfounded conspiracy theory shortly. Scroll hidden in a hill in Scotland, or something. Completely irrelevant, but there you go... I wouldn't say it is completely irrelevant. I read that book a couple of years back. Yes it is filled with speculation and hypothesis - they even go so far as claiming to have found the real Hiram Abiff, (the central figure in freemasonry ritual and lore). A book like that is entertaining, and if nothing else it can stimulate your mind to look at the world differently. Even if the writers of the Hiram Key go way out there with some of their answers, they do ask some damn fine questions!!! Freemasonry seems to pop up everywhere, and if not freemasonry, then some equivalent 'mystery school' organization - like the Buffalo dude on Sgt Pepper. Why is he "hiding" behind Diana Dors? Yup, you're right of course. These things are stimulating, and I find there's often a little synchronicity that pops up too when you check these things out.
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 20, 2007 15:28:26 GMT
As long as this thread is moving toward the esoteric...
On the Sgt Pepper cover, Lennon is holding a french horn, and McCartney is holding a cor anglais, (which is French for english horn). Isn't it weird that we say "french horn" in English, and we say "english horn" in French? This mixing of French and English, given as a visual metaphor on Sgt Pepper, comes into play in another way...
In Blue Jay Way, George sings, "There's a fog upon LA." If we take "THE BEATLES" and fog out the letters L and A, we get "THE BETES." In French, BETES means beast.
BEATLES makes the anagram LE BEAST. Of course LE is French for THE, so in both cases we have a mixing of a French word and an English word to say "the beast," or "le betes," if you prefer.
Heh.
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Post by Perplexed on Jun 20, 2007 17:43:51 GMT
As long as this thread is moving toward the esoteric... On the Sgt Pepper cover, Lennon is holding a french horn, and McCartney is holding a cor anglais, (which is French for english horn). Isn't it weird that we say "french horn" in English, and we say "english horn" in French? This mixing of French and English, given as a visual metaphor on Sgt Pepper, comes into play in another way... In Blue Jay Way, George sings, "There's a fog upon LA." If we take "THE BEATLES" and fog out the letters L and A, we get "THE BETES." In French, BETES means beast. BEATLES makes the anagram LE BEAST. Of course LE is French for THE, so in both cases we have a mixing of a French word and an English word to say "the beast," or "le betes," if you prefer. Heh. I dig it!
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 22, 2007 17:30:13 GMT
Just rambling out loud here... "Trying to make a dovetail joint." Dovetail has a homonym in "dove tale," or symbolically, "tale of peace," or "the story of the holy spirit?"
We all know what a joint is, and that smoking one tends to make a person more peaceful...
Heh.
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 22, 2007 17:48:43 GMT
Also let's remember that John and George both attended DOVEDALE primary school.
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 23, 2007 19:06:34 GMT
As long as this thread is moving toward the esoteric... On the Sgt Pepper cover, Lennon is holding a french horn, and McCartney is holding a cor anglais, (which is French for english horn). Isn't it weird that we say "french horn" in English, and we say "english horn" in French? This mixing of French and English, given as a visual metaphor on Sgt Pepper, comes into play in another way... In Blue Jay Way, George sings, "There's a fog upon LA." If we take "THE BEATLES" and fog out the letters L and A, we get "THE BETES." In French, BETES means beast. BEATLES makes the anagram LE BEAST. Of course LE is French for THE, so in both cases we have a mixing of a French word and an English word to say "the beast," or "le betes," if you prefer. Heh. I dig it! Okay "Doc," or "Perplexed," as I am learning (by reading many ancient posts) you used to go by. Perp: The guilty party. YOU did it!!! Lexed: Made into law? Ensconced in words? Afflicted by Superman's bald-headed arch enemy, Mr. Luthor? A luthier makes and repairs guitars and other stringed instruments. Guitar is from the Greek "kithara," which is the instrument played by Apollo, the god of music. Apollo was also the god of shepherds, (like William?) It is said that when Apollo's discus crushed Hyacinth's head, that Apollo turned the blood into the flower of the same name, and then cried tears that left marks upon the petals. Cry Baby Cry! The King of Marigold is in the Kitchen. One variety of Marigold is also known as the corn daisy. Corn (or cornu), is a variant of cor, which is French for horn, like the horns on Sgt Pepper, (and there are daisies on Lennon's shoulders). The marigold, until very recently, used to be listed under the genus Chrysanthemum, Christ's Anthem? Mum's the word. -j
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Post by jarvitronics on Jun 23, 2007 20:15:37 GMT
Paul/Faul is/are known to have used a number of Pseudonyms over the years.
Apollo C. Vermouth Percy Thrillington The Firemen Paul Ramon (RAM ON - Doh!) Billy Martin (Heeeeeeere's Billy. Martin has a backward RAM). Bernard Webb (In Bernard, the "rn" almost looks like an m, forming another backward RAM).
Venus and Mars, while not a pseudonym, also contains a backward RAM. (And a backward SUN).
Martha My Dear - yet another backward RAM.
Yellow SubMARine
Just imbibing free associations today. Probably nothing...
-j
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Post by ccinri on Jun 28, 2007 17:09:08 GMT
There is a video of a group called The Gossip that has Disney characters (Pluto and Goofy)with Yellow Submarines floating around...song called Standing in the way of Control.
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Post by plastic paul on Jun 28, 2007 23:28:21 GMT
Can't comment on the video but a great tune by the way!
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Post by ccinri on Jun 29, 2007 0:49:57 GMT
I liked it too! Beth Ditto (from Gossip) did a duet with Jarvis Cocker that was great...Jarvis did a duet with Hawley called Disney Time (I think I am becoming Disney obsessed...)
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Post by plastic paul on Jul 1, 2007 11:46:28 GMT
lol, fair enough!
Was it a cover duet or their own song?
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Post by defhermit on Jul 20, 2007 21:23:58 GMT
that song (standing in the way of control) kicks ass, btw...
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Post by ccinri on Jul 21, 2007 2:24:12 GMT
Plastic Paul! so sorry it took me so long to answer your question!...I looked and it appears to be Jarvis Cocker's song. I like that song too def!
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