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Post by Perplexed on Oct 27, 2003 3:42:49 GMT
OK I sound so heavy handed today.
Scatterdome, I agree with you that companies are limited entities in the larger scheme of things. EMI could have been restructured and renamed, if necessary. After all, we saw Enron go down in FLAMES, when, 1&1/2 years ago? Humpty Dumpty was let go on that one.
Not everyone here shares my religious viewpoint, quite naturally. I have expressed them enough; we're not that type forum, I will now stick with more common ground issues.
Your comments about "Within you, without you" ring true. Actually, thank you for your anaysis; I had no idea what it was about. I think your right about it.
The drug war thing is a confusion of issues, yes.
And universal mind-influence, and ultimately control, is a frightening outcome of so much of what we see happening. We all just talk in sound bytes these days, spewing out pre-digested opinions from our favorite anchor "persons". Good gosh, we can't say anchor man or anchor woman. Everything is "alleged" and there are no races. The French people are evil, the Arabs used to be semites, and every isolated national ruler is said to be a "madman." There are no bombs, there are only"weapons of mass destruction," or worse, "WMDs!"
We can't disagree about Bush's Iraq policy or we get verbally lambasted to a cinder by the radio talk show hosts; and all the FOX anckor persons have to giggle a lot and nervously affirm the war mantra. And anyone who disagrees is, ya' know, one of those dangerous terrorists sympathisers.
I go to relax now.
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Post by Perplexed on Oct 27, 2003 3:58:38 GMT
Yes, thank you, Sgt Pepper. I have seen thoses ideas in the last 3, 4 years and I think about them.
I think scripture is all relevant--perhaps incomplete because of what is called in the old testament somewhere, "The lying pens of the scribes."
I think we are meant to have it; I think very few understand what to, frankly, make of it. I think the future will answer many things, at least, I choose to believe that.
For instance, in the original Greek, 666 is presented as XEç, or roughly chi zhi stigma. Greek letterology for 666, but also the Greek letters have meaning. Stigma refers to a brand placed on the body, of say, a cow or something, to show a MARK of ownership. Also, the letters form a Greek fraternity reference, a thing not unheard of in antiquity. The mark is clearly something that provides economic participatioin for the bearer, and grave exclusion for the non-bearer. It is a club to belong to, it is a numeric designation. We are told to COMPUTE the number of the name of the beast. The computing is pebble by pebble, as if each numeric total appies to a different "sheep". This is the numbering of people. Then we are told it is the number of A man, NOT the number of THE man. I don't think there is a Mr. 666. Everyone who joins is a Mr. 666. It is the number of, well, ANY man. And MAN here is 'anthropos', or man-faced. They would have used a different word for man if it was speaking of one certain person. The definition makes for the idea of identity! Man-FACED! Our face is our identity. Isn't that what this site is all about? So it is the one-by-one numerical designating of individuals, for financial governance. Worldwide. That is what the XEç club is about.
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Post by Scatterdome on Oct 27, 2003 9:18:58 GMT
Well, since you're on the subject, I have an interesting little fact about myself to share. If you analyze my name with numerology to find my "soul number," which involves only the vowels of a person's given birth name, here's what you get:
James (A+E = 1+5 = 6) Matthew (A+E = 1+5 = 6) Prange (A+E = 1+5 = 6)
Condensing the numbers to one digit, numerology-style: 6+6+6 = 18; 1+8 = 9
So my soul number is 9, derived from 6+6+6. (#9... #9... #9...)
So if you're a Christian, I guess that is supposed to mean my soul is like that of "Satan." But if you're like John or James Paul (or me) and believe that all organized religion is a bunch of hooey, you may realize that the fabricators of Christianity (the Illuminati) assigned the number 666 to their "Satan" character because it actually represents truth and light, if you dig back before the Bible and look into Egyptian or Sumerian history.
Genesis 2:16-17 And the Lord God commanded the man, "You are free to eat from any tree in the garden; but you must not eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, for when you eat of it you will surely die."
So the snake in the garden of Eden, who is supposed to be "Satan," offered us the fruit of the knowledge of good & evil, and we took it, and that was our "original sin?" Why can't we have that fruit? Why exactly aren't we supposed to know the knowledge of good & evil? Here's my take: because then we'd know about the Illuminati bloodlines' millenia-spanning control of Earth, which has been partially accomplished by an ultimate act of evil: posing as "God" in every major religious text, equating knowledge and independent thought with "the devil" in each religion, having "God" "hand down" different sets of rules to each religion, then setting them at war with each other. Divide and conquer!
But I don't mean to encourage a tangent... Maybe we could start another thread on religion elsewhere. (BTW, I mean no offense to you and your religious beliefs, Perplexed; I've appreciated your well-thought responses to my posts.)
"Imagine there's no countries / It isnt hard to do Nothing to kill or die for / And no religion too Imagine all the people living life in peace..."
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Post by Perplexed on Oct 27, 2003 16:36:00 GMT
Yes, Scatterdome. Tanks for your post.
Well, most religion, esp. organized, looks ugly under the magnifying glass. Christ said that unblemished religion was taking care of widows and orphans. He dodn't mention a hymnal or sending huge percentages of your income to a fat man in a 3-piece suit and a combed out Eva Gabor tennis wig.
All jibes aside, I guess my point about Rev 18:13 is that everyone goes for the NUMEROLOGICAL angles of 666. They try to "do numerology" on the number of the man's name. A different Greek word would have been used. It says to "PSEPHIZO" his "ARITHMOS", compute the number. Compute as in TAKING INVENTORY, like inventory of people. It is not the word that Greek would be udes for doing count ups letter by letter.It NEVER meant that. Why did some people teach that. Now EVERYBODY in the world automatically goes there. To PSEPHIZO is to take a pile of pebbles, and chalk one off every time one of your sheep goes into the pen, or whatever. It is specifically used for the way herdsmen INVENTORIED their lifestock. We are the sheople. We get inventoried. To write books making BRZEZNEV or REAGAN or CHAPMAN or LENNON or CLINTON or GORBACHOV all add up to 666 is to cause us to miss what was being said.
Just say no to numerolgy. (in this particular case only)
In Rev 13:18----Its about INVENTORY................
Of course, just a coincidence, Hebrew sixth letter is WAV, or some say VAV. It represents the English letter "W". So, www written in Hebrew looks the same as 666, because Hebrew uses letters for numbers (in ancient times), and www would be 6,6,6. It would not be six hundred and sixty six, there would be a different representatioin for that.
But yes, I should put this only on "Other Topics."
So, the correct topic on this post is, of course, your theory.
I will say, I'd feel less bad about some things if Paul had been able to live another 7 years, then pass peacefully not in foul play. You should continue your research----who knows. They found penicilin looking for something else. No offense. that Paul lived on I still have difficulty with; but some of your other points may figure in stronger than we have all thought. Like some of the mixed motivations. Like EMI being replaceable. Like the Beatles seeing thru the worlds ways and wanting to expose it. Like some buried collusion------keep looking.
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Post by SgtPepper on Oct 28, 2003 2:26:55 GMT
YAll jibes aside, I guess my point about Rev 18:13 is that everyone goes for the NUMEROLOGICAL angles of 666. They try to "do numerology" on the number of the man's name. A different Greek word would have been used. It says to "PSEPHIZO" his "ARITHMOS", compute the number. Compute as in TAKING INVENTORY, like inventory of people.... Perhaps, though one common mistake I think Bible scholars make is assuming the NT Greek is the correct version. I don't think so. The earliest complete Greek text is not until (I think) the 4th century - maybe 3rd. That would allow plenty of time for reworking the text. Things could've been translated wrong, to give a slightly different meaning or implication. 666 could mean many things, as mentioned here: www.aloha.net/~mikesch/666.htmThis person actually agrees with you in a sense - that the number is not the number of a man, but a title. Yet look at his explanation for Nero Caesar (must scroll down a bit). Note that some old versions of Revelation have 616 - which would be Nero Caesar without the added "nun". Of course, he says that the value of 700 would be used for that. Perhaps - but note that anyone "correcting" such a mistake after the fact might not know this - probably was not a Jew. So there are many possibilities I suppose - yet I can't believe the anti-Christ is the Roman Catholic church. They are not that powerful nor influential, nor are they that bad despite some "pagan" ideas clearly mixed in with their belief.
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Post by SgtPepper on Oct 28, 2003 2:29:41 GMT
So I guess I'm saying that I though I certainly don't know for sure, I suspect it is actually 616 (going along with the notion that just about everything we've been taught about this is wrong ;D).
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Post by Perplexed on Oct 28, 2003 3:09:09 GMT
Somewhere in the net I saw a photograph of a 3rd cent. manuscript, kept under glass in the Vatican, just the corner of a decrepid page, where the REV 13:18 is. (Sorry I said 18:13 once in last post, I should proofread more) Anyway, it is a faded but clear enough to see: X E ç. at the end of the verse. Now, I can't put the proper Greek letters up.
It was possible to express numbers two ways; written out in full (words) or in letters chosen to represent numbers (sometimes in ligatures, or unique composite letters) There were no "numbers" like we use today:Arabic numerals weren't in use yet, so: X = chi= 600. E = zhi. Symbol innaccurate--it's really a curly cursive snake coil like "E". It equals 60. ç should look a little different. It equals "6" and was called "stigma'> That letter was the 6th letter in old Greek, it is obelete now. Sigma eventually replaced it and moved to a new position. But no matter--at the time it was stigma. Remember, the MARK is something that is distributed and accepted (or not) and establishes financial eligibility. Not Damien's birthmark. Not a literal steaming hot brand burned into the forehead. The mark of the System, is for cash, money, participation in an economic megalith. Each man may or may not take it. It becomes the number of a man, when a man takes it. It's your unique number, your ballot, your ticket, your pass, your "pebble", your special numeric designation. Your very own microchip. The Catholic church can not be this system. It would have to submit, as well. There are TWO beasts, and a false prophet, however discussed in Rev. Also a dragon, and a Destroyer. All are symbolic language. All are encripted for a purpose. Each are distinct enitites.
There is a curse placed on anyone who might add to or subtract to that particular writing, i.e. The Apocalypse (The Bringing out into View) of Iesous Christ. If this is an impotent document of fakers, well then, no one need consider any of what it has to say. But, IF it makes claims about itself in truth, then the Rulers of Evil in the world must grudgingly allow it to exist intact, or risk the promises and curses coming true.
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Post by Perplexed on Oct 28, 2003 3:23:45 GMT
And, yes, Sgt Pepper........I have seen the 616 as well. That is quite true. Either the septuagint or the Textus receptus has it-I forget which.
Apparently, several old copies support this, they have "chi iota stigma," instead, or else or "six hundred sixteen" written out in full.
Well, 666 and 616 ARE two different numbers. I have no explanation; no justification. I looked into it once and found some commentary---------I don't know what to say. It is , well, less 50 isn't it.
I'm am stumped.
Say, I'm on a Mac, are you on a PC? They kinda work the same, don't they? I mean, different processors , but similar results, right?
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Post by Perplexed on Oct 28, 2003 3:50:45 GMT
OK, I am rambling raving religious ideas lately-------
Forgive me. I happily expect all who may read to maintain your strong, independent views! I just wanted to share a few things along the lines of how many things in the bible are ignored, mistaught, and made into wrong sound bytes. The teachers leave a lot out. But, it is not a book for everybody. After all, Christians lived and died for hundreds of years without benefit of a printed copy. So, everyone isn't interested in Christianity (which ever of the versions)and many live very well without it. Many live well without reading old books, period. So, I mean not to get "preachy."
I think, at the heart of it, Lennon was right in "All You Need is Love." I mean, there's the essentials right there. lennon preached it to me (in song) and I have trouble staying on target with just the one command! Even with my, ehem, proclivities, I agree with a lot in "Imagine." In a world filled with love, what religion would be needed? And really, heaven just gives some folks license( in their minds) to be stinkers here and now.
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Post by SgtPepper on Oct 28, 2003 4:45:24 GMT
And, yes, Sgt Pepper........I have seen the 616 as well. That is quite true. Either the septuagint or the Textus receptus has it-I forget which. I don't know, but I highly doubt the Textus Receptus - else we'd be talking about 616 and all the people in Lansing, MI with that area code would be the anti-Christ I get the answers when I need them - evidently I don't need that yet I think so. I'm on a PC - only used Mac's a few times more than 10 years ago. From what I understand, the only fundamental difference is that most PC's have Windows, which allows Bill Gates to spy on you and report it to the police - and includes other things to slow your processor & waste memory
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Post by SgtPepper on Oct 28, 2003 4:52:12 GMT
After all, Christians lived and died for hundreds of years without benefit of a printed copy. Many of these people were not Christians, but Jews! These days, after all that has happened, the distinction is clear - those days it doesn't seem clear whether a believer was supposed to be a Jew or a gentile Christian, or if this were important (note the "Jerusalem council" - "Acts" 15 - if I recall correctly). C'mon perplexed - you should know better than that. That was me - just a bunch of bull---- I was pushing at people - i.e., it's okay that Paul died and I replaced him - all you really need is love - everything is cool (French nat'l anthem in the background)
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Post by SgtPepper on Oct 28, 2003 5:00:42 GMT
And, yes, Sgt Pepper........I have seen the 616 as well. That is quite true. Either the septuagint or the Textus receptus has it-I forget which. Couldn't be Septuagint 70 - that's only OT books - or do you refer to something esle?
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Post by Perplexed on Oct 28, 2003 6:01:37 GMT
YOu're right, the Septuagint must have been 2-300 years B.C.. Silly me!
maybe the Vulgate, or the Codex Sinaiticus (that is not quite right) maybe the Pashita (spelling bad) I'll look again. I am poorly armed I see!
Most NASB or NIV I think mention this 616 in the "liner notes." So that is commonly seen now..................... And yes, many suffered unfairly and grossly in the Inquisition. At least Mel Brooks gets the last laugh...............
TEXTAllons enfants de la patria, la jour de gloire, t'arrive!!!!TEXT
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Post by Scatterdome on Oct 28, 2003 7:42:40 GMT
I don't know, but I highly doubt the Textus Receptus - else we'd be talking about 616 and all the people in Lansing, MI with that area code would be the anti-Christ Actually, that's Grand Rapids, Michigan's telephone area code. I should know, that's where I live! Uh-oh, maybe I really am the devil! ;D
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Post by Scatterdome on Oct 29, 2003 5:52:40 GMT
For those who haven't seen it yet, I just posted five clues from "Yellow Submarine" on another thread started on that subject. Three of the clues I posted seem to back up my idea that the Beatles knew about the Illuminati and were trying to save the world with the Faul plan! Maybe some further discussion of what I posted on that thread could be picked up on this thread. Here's the link to page 3 of the the "Yellow Submarine" thread, where my post appears: 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=60ifclues&thread=1064668996&action=display&start=30
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Post by Scatterdome on Dec 3, 2003 6:00:38 GMT
I can't believe I didn't notice this before, considering the discussion we had on this thread about the "4 or 5 Magicians" referred to in the Magical Mystery Tour booklet... Look at the red flowers to the left of the word "Beatles." What I'm seeing here is: 5 BEATLESAnyone else here see it too? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Other breakthroughs for my theory have surfaced recently as well... check out the new posts, and links to the other breakthroughs, at page 5 of my alternate theory: 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=paul&thread=1063219993&action=display&start=60
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Post by Mollymalone on Dec 3, 2003 10:23:11 GMT
And the flower arrangement beneath the E has five petals ;D
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Post by Chris on Dec 3, 2003 15:33:32 GMT
Scatterdome & mollymalone - wow Great work !!! I see the 5 & the 5 petaled flower !!! WTG !!!! Love to all... Chris ;D
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Post by Scatterdome on Dec 4, 2003 14:50:04 GMT
Looks like the missing “5th magician” has been found! Look closely at the “5” in “5 Beatles…” The “5” is completed in the upper-right corner of the numeral by a gnome dressed in the same red “wizard” robes as the Beatles in their “4 or 5 magicians” cartoon drawing! www.jpgr.co.uk/smmt1_c.jpg[/img]My interpretation:The Beatles’ use of red wizard robes in both of these clues is no coincidence—they are drawing our attention to the fact that it is the same clue, just as they placed the “4 or 5 magicians” clue exactly to the left of the Glass Onion-related “No you’re not, said Little Nicola” clue in the MMT booklet to draw our attention to the fact that the “No you’re not” clue and the “4 or 5 magicians” clue are both referring to Paul! Essentially, one downright plausible interpretation of this symbolism would be that the Beatles have told us right up front in their first two albums featuring Faul: Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Hearts Club Band was created by 5 Beatles."4 or 5 ‘magicians’" created Magical Mystery Tour.And they ain't talking about George Martin, Mal Evans or Brian Epstein!
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Post by SunKing on Dec 4, 2003 21:44:32 GMT
AWAY IN THE SKY, beyond the clouds, live 4 or 5 Magicians. By casting WONDERFUL SPELLS they turn the Most Ordinary Coach Trip into a MAGICAL MYSTERY TOUR. If you let yourself go, the Magicians will take you away to marvellous places. Maybe YOU'VE been on a MAGICAL MYSTRY TOUR without even realising it. Are you ready to go? SPLENDID!
...live 4 or 5 magician... It depends IF the song is sung by Faul (or the imitator) or by James Paul McCartney (RIP) himself. Simply....Scatterdome.....simply....
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Post by Chris on Dec 5, 2003 15:44:46 GMT
8-)The whole MMT makes me feel ill. I tried watching the movie. Couldn't do it. Bill is such a hardass. Chewing his gum making a bad face most of the time. Who wants to see that From what I remember, alot of the time all 4 of them look out of sorts. Totally different from the 1st two movies, where the camaraderie was so self-evident. They were kidding around & being themselves... It's just too sad for words Love to all... Chris
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Post by LUCY on Dec 5, 2003 18:39:25 GMT
Actually, that's Grand Rapids, Michigan's telephone area code. I should know, that's where I live! Uh-oh, maybe I really am the devil! ;D wasn't there a major student riot in E. Lansing recently?
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Post by innspector on Dec 5, 2003 18:40:47 GMT
I can't believe I didn't notice this before, considering the discussion we had on this thread about the "4 or 5 Magicians" referred to in the Magical Mystery Tour booklet... Look at the red flowers to the left of the word "Beatles." What I'm seeing here is: 5 BEATLESAnyone else here see it too? ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Other breakthroughs for my theory have surfaced recently as well... check out the new posts, and links to the other breakthroughs, at page 5 of my alternate theory: 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=paul&thread=1063219993&action=display&start=60 Note this:When St.Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise) starts, Faul counts "one, two, three, four", but when he's saying "two", John says in the background "five"...... Anyways, I agree with Sun King that this clue is not about Paul being alive, is about five diferent voices used in their records. The mayority of the clues are about paul being dead, likd the 3 number used in Ringo's drum in MMT, the IONEIXHEDIE, using "Beatles", Apple Corps, etc. etc. But the 5 thing is a clue, definitely. George's "Brainwashes" album cover features five dummies, five...
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Post by SilverBeatle on Dec 5, 2003 18:57:36 GMT
I always thought John said "bye". Virtually every transcription of the lyrics seems backs this up. Makes sense as it was supposedly the final cut recorded
(from "iamthebeatles.com") "To finish the album, The Beatles needed something short, so George Martin suggested writing the Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band (Reprise), and the album was complete."
But I admit "5" and "bye" are very similar (ala "Paul" and "sauce" from Strawberry Fields) so I guess it's up for interpretation. I do submit "5" instead of "bye" would be a clue. I will have to listen again sometime I guess...
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Post by LUCY on Dec 5, 2003 19:08:54 GMT
hmmmmmm....maybe it could be but i'm thinking the magicians really represent the controllers.why the emphasis on astromony? why portrayed as slightly mad?
I think astromony plays a big role in this. The magicians were incredibly busy with their stars and charts, while the bus is tooling around the countryside.
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