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Post by McGarrett-Five-0 on Sept 11, 2005 16:28:55 GMT
If I'm wrong on this topic I'm open to the idea.
I know I've read here that a lot of pictures have been doctored from the originals. But you said it was vintage material .
All I know is that picture looks wrong. It just doesn't look like the JPM we all know. I've seen it before and said to myself that it looks like Bill not Paul.
Do you know what source the picture came from? Maybe that would help clear it up.
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Post by beatled on Sept 11, 2005 17:05:40 GMT
It comes from a magazine that belongs to either Eyesbleed or myself, I kinda lost track of who has what.
No matter, I can tell you that a careful examination of the dates show the publication date to be what it's supposed to be in all the pics we present as "vintage".
I'll offer up a non out this world possibility however. Simply that it's quite possible to slip old yellowed magazines into the "collection pool", why not? If these were only published a couple of years after the intitial publication, they would still look/feel even smell like they have seen a lot of years. And.. I'm pretty sure I've seen an article somewhere about forgers of vintage material (not Beatle related) who have a "quick aging" process to make books look old for example. Not saying that was done here, but again it's a possibility.
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Post by bxv on Sept 11, 2005 20:26:00 GMT
If things just can't be true, there are still people who believe it... This topic is a good example of something. Tweep. Sulu, whats wrong with the comms? Well captain. We are travelling through a rift in the space time continuum, you might find the UT spouting garbled messages. I take it english is not your first language. I think I'll use that quote as my Sig.
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Post by McGarrett-Five-0 on Sept 11, 2005 21:13:42 GMT
JoJo, you bring up a good point. If the cover-up started way back in 1966,all they had to do is start putting in new pictures in all the fan magazines at the time and retouch old pictures and recirculate them in the magazines.
Now years later....we look at what we think are vintage pictures but the changes were already in process.
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Post by bxv on Sept 12, 2005 0:08:15 GMT
/ I use Gimp for my graphic stuff, being a Linux user. I did nothing to this photo except apply a "burn" filter. Here's the thread this photo came from. Look at the next photo also. LMAO. Link
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Post by McGarrett-Five-0 on Sept 12, 2005 3:25:01 GMT
On the follow up pictures it's painfully clear that they are doctored. Your burn shows it clearly. So immediately they started a massive campaign to merge him as Paul.
39 years later we have what appears to be 'vintage' photos with Bill's face.
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Post by TheDZ on Sept 12, 2005 5:29:04 GMT
Well, in the the spirit of PO (check my sig) , I'm going to put forth a theory.. I'm thinking that the real JPM was in trouble, possibly for murder.. Lets say that he was involved in an incident in France, is apprehended and incarcerated... He is released after the Crown decides that he is too valuable to go to waste and secures him...however.. This is only a temporary measure...his crime and the people affected by it, exert a pull back to jail... so, in an effort to keep the ball rolling and honor secret agreements kept between countries, it is decide that Paul will be replaced by an imposter/imposters...with his full knowledge..Perhaps some or all of the lads were invited to be masons and share in their connections... I'm guessing that shortly before Paul and John wrote and recorded Rain that all the above mentioned took place.. So Paul, knowing that his future was VERY uncertain, and not likely to include performing with the Beatles forever, is inspired to write some amazing music.. The Crown however, knows that he WILL be replaced, and begins a photo altering program designed to subtly alter and loosen the general publics image of JPM... which may lead us to what bxv is proposing... that 'Paul' photos were altered/faked before Sgt. Pepper, before the fall of 1966. but then again....in the spirit of PO.... from this thread 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=document&thread=1113791860&page=1OK, I'll try and convey what I see going on here. First, that magazine-cover Paul picture (from macca-central?) was distorted from the original scan: so it shouldn't be used. Here's what the correct fade looks like: Camera distance is what's causing the ears to move back, and the nose to bulge forward. The magazine cover photo is very close-up, the "hand" shot from further away. The effects are completely consistent with the "lens distortion" effects posted by BP Speaking of which, the lens has little to do with the "distortion", it's the distance. Anyone can recreate the effect themselves by standing in front of a mirror with one eye closed (it's important to remove parallax), then look at yourself from different distances. The "distortion" is actually true perspective as seen from different distances. The eyes, base of the nose, mouth, and chin are basically on the same plane, meaning, the same distance from the camera, so they aren't affected that much. Features off this plane (ears, tip of nose, outside eye corners) will come "forward" or receed "back". Paul's ears in this fade aren't moving in, they're moving back, as the closer the distance, the more heightened the perspective. Here's a fade with photos closer to the same distance: and underscores the value of crossfading, that is, to cut through visual distractions like shading which can make the same person appear different. Clearly, this is the same person. and Har har! Subliminally I must have seen it was distorted in some way. Yes, it was from macca-central, because I've seen other posts showing how they distort the images, so I bumbled over there for a good doctored image. And, from a different thread, here is the lense effect: that solves some problems, like suddenly excess areas of the face being cut off in the "doctored" photo
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Sept 13, 2005 0:55:30 GMT
DZ wrote: "I'm thinking that the real JPM was in trouble, possibly for murder.. Lets say that he was involved in an incident in France, is apprehended and incarcerated... He is released after the Crown decides that he is too valuable to go to waste and secures him..."
Exactly what "Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey" and "Monkberry Moon Delight" are about. I think the English stole him away, though; he was not released. and this line from Bowie's "Life On Mars": "Take a look at the Lawman beating up the wrong guy" suggests he may have been innocent of the charges against him. I suspect Paul was being blamed for a murder that Johnny Hallyday may have committed.
I know this has nothing to do with photo analysis, but let's not tiptoe around things we already have pretty much figured out.
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Post by abbey on Sept 13, 2005 4:31:16 GMT
All of you are doing an excellent job with your graphics and photo evidence of tampering.
It is obvious that they are trying to totally erase Paul from everything: HDN, HELP, Shea stadium........it's a horrible thing to do to a great musician and wonderful person. He wasn't perfect by any means, but he doesn't deserve to be "erased" by Bill and Bill's goons.
Keep up the good work, all of you!!!!!!
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Post by TPIMaster on Sept 13, 2005 15:39:35 GMT
If things just can't be true, there are still people who believe it... This topic is a good example of something. Tweep. Sulu, whats wrong with the comms? Well captain. We are travelling through a rift in the space time continuum, you might find the UT spouting garbled messages. I take it english is not your first language. I think I'll use that quote as my Sig. I noticed that I forgot to type a few words. And yes, english is not my first language. But it's damn well for my age. See my profile for more detailed reports... Now look what you've done. I've broken my vow of not posting here. Post Scriptum: I'm not a PIA-er and have no plans of becoming one.
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Post by defhermit on Sept 13, 2005 16:02:05 GMT
"I take it english is not your first language"
it's a perfectly normal, english phrase.... like "I see that english is not your first language" or "It seems that english is not your first language"...
unless I didn't understand that last post...
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Post by TPIMaster on Sept 13, 2005 16:06:18 GMT
I just realised it is a good sentence. I was a being foolish a bit about that.
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Post by bxv on Sept 13, 2005 17:16:14 GMT
I never said PIA. I'm beginning to think he never existed in the first place. You didn't comment on : Full legal bullhonkey - as you put it, or a forgery?
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Post by plastic paul on Sept 13, 2005 20:36:44 GMT
Those eyes are completely different, i'm not happy about these photos, it suggests major attempts to eliminate JPM from history, if that hasn't been done already.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Sept 13, 2005 21:54:03 GMT
Those eyes are completely different, i'm not happy about these photos, it suggests major attempts to eliminate JPM from history, if that hasn't been done already. Those were, are and will be always my words too.
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Post by bxv on Sept 14, 2005 4:52:56 GMT
C'mon guys look a bit harder than that! This is two or three photos cut and pasted together.
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Post by ReallyReallyDead on Sept 14, 2005 10:32:48 GMT
what about this? (faul for referance) surely if it was doctored, it would match up or look like Faul!
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Post by bxv on Sept 14, 2005 13:13:15 GMT
A good indicator, that I have found is : If you go back and look at the Fake Paul 2 or 3 posts ago you will see that there is a large light source shining in his Right Eye from a North Westerly Source. However, there is no Light shining in His Left Eye - impossible. Look at the light source in his eyes. One is head on, one is from the side. Makes him look boss-eyed. There are other flaws; the teeth are very different left and right. The symmetry doent look right. If there is a better version of this photo available I'd like to have a look. But my first impression is that it's another fake Paul.
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Post by weighe on Sept 14, 2005 20:44:41 GMT
Absolutely nothing wrong with that photo. The asymmetry is consistent with every other genuine JPM photo. His teeth were really like that. And different from Faul's teeth. The light on the eyes is coming from a point source, so it's hitting the left eye from a different angle than the right eye. cheers.
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Post by defhermit on Sept 14, 2005 21:05:43 GMT
weighe, thanks for that response, it saved me from having to say the same thing...
the light reflection on the eye is hitting a different curve surface on each eye, so of course the reflections would not look the same...
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Post by helterskelter on Sept 15, 2005 0:18:24 GMT
I hope I don't sound really stupid asking this, but do you mean that there's no light source coming from his left or our left?
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Post by ReallyReallyDead on Sept 15, 2005 1:11:43 GMT
Absolutely nothing wrong with that photo. The asymmetry is consistent with every other genuine JPM photo. His teeth were really like that. And different from Faul's teeth. The light on the eyes is coming from a point source, so it's hitting the left eye from a different angle than the right eye. cheers. good, i'm glad we all agree that that is actually, vintage, because it is.
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Post by ReallyReallyDead on Sept 15, 2005 1:13:06 GMT
I hope I don't sound really stupid asking this, but do you mean that there's no light source coming from his left or our left? His left. What I think bxv ment was that there's no reflection on the eye on our right, but there is one on our left.
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Post by bxv on Sept 15, 2005 4:15:27 GMT
His teeth were really like that. And different from Faul's teeth. So you knew him personally? What you have there is another vintage FAKE. Which Fauls teeth? Which Pauls teeth? No assymetry here. Small squat head, chubby cheeks. No crooked teeth. No left eye looking east - right eye lookin west. Small Square chin - that the current Faul has modelled his own on, if you care to look. It's possible that some photos slipped throuh the re-call net when they began erasing him from history. This is not PMC. This is newspaper Paul, or teen magazine Paul. The other Paul was Paul also, until I de-bunked it a couple of posts ago. Wish you guys would make up your mind as to what Paul really looked like.
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Post by defhermit on Sept 15, 2005 4:39:32 GMT
um, the rightmost pic in your post, bxv.... the only one where you CAN see the right side of his teeth (HIS right)... you CAN see a "crooked tooth", just like the one in your fade/left-right comparison thingy...
a lot of your arguments seem to rest upon your assumption that facial asymmetry is unusual... it is not.... no faces are perfectly symmetrical...
I don't see his eyes going in different directions in your left/right comparison fade. Well, maybe a very slight shift in his left (our right) eye, where it looks a little more to our right than his other eye.... this kind of thing can happen frequently when a camera takes a pic of someone from pretty close. In certain situations when you are looking directly at a camera, you kind of switch betwen looking directly at the camera with either eye. When the camera is too close, getting both eyes to look directly at the camera can't be done without basically going cross-eyed. That explains the SLIGHT difference in the position of his eyes in your left/right comparison fade.
Chubby cheeks? Lose weight, lose the cheeks...
The chin? The chin really does look different to me.
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