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Post by Paulythene Paul on Jul 8, 2006 16:55:43 GMT
If you were born in 1961, like Michelle La Vallier or Bettina Hubers (or Huebers), or 1964, like Philip Haworth, or sometime in that period, and your mom told you that your dad was James Paul McCartney, and you looked at your birth certificate, like Michelle La Vallier did, and it said the father was James Paul McCartney, like hers did, what would you do? In the case of those three, saying to Paul, "I've got to get you into my life!" was exactly what they wanted to do. Unfortuneately, when they tried to do so, and blood tests were done, they came back negative. No surprise to people here at The King Is Naked!, eh? If you want to test to see if you are genetically related to the late James Paul McCartney, you ask his surviving brother, Michael McCartney, or one of his six children to donate a sample of DNA. Right? Michelle, Bettina and Philip, are you reading this? My heart goes out to you, my dears.
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Post by TotalInformation on Jul 8, 2006 23:22:41 GMT
Where di you get the name Michelle La Vallier?
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Jul 9, 2006 3:54:56 GMT
Where di you get the name Michelle La Vallier? I'm pretty certain it was from the BeatleLinks.net forum where someone named Liz (username MaccaTwst9) was quoting a story she had copied from some e-mail list, but it might have been originally from some other source.
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Post by TotalInformation on Jul 15, 2006 19:08:34 GMT
From an onld Beatlefan story via USENET:
==begin first quote== "The latest Beatle bastard wannabe is one Michelle "McCartney" who hit the tabloids with her tale of wanting billy to submit to DNA tests to confirm that he's her father. The 42-year-old Frenchwoman -- who says "I'm not after his money" -- claims that her late mother, Monique LaVallier, made a deathbed confession a few years ago that Macca had fathered Michelle and written the like-named Beatles song for her. The story goes that LeVallier was a young makeup artist working in London when she met the struggling musician on a blind date and got pregnant. Michelle, whose birth certificate says she was born April 5, 1960, apparently never bothered to read any Beatles history or she'd know that in July 1959 McCartney was still in the Quarry Men in Liverpool and had yet to make it to London. " ==end first quote==
Sounds dubious
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Jul 15, 2006 22:19:27 GMT
There is a conflict about the date written on the birth certificate. According the report you have cited, TotalInformation, the birth certificate says April 5, 1960. However, the report I cited, www.beatlelinks.net/forums/showthread.php?t=8171 reports Michelle's birth certificate as stating her date of birth being April 5, 1961. Here is an exerpt from the above mentioned BeatleLinks.net thread (which is from 2002 and is closed & locked): ENTER MICHELLE McCARTNEY, THE REJECTED DAUGHTER OF BEATLE PAUL McCARTNEY, AS SHE CELEBRATES IN PARIS THE RELEASE OF HER NEW ALBUM. Paris, France 99933390012/C06 Guitar player and singer MICHELLE McCARTNEY celebrated at the Paris's fashionable night club 'Aux Bains Douches' the release of her new musical album MICHELLE, which is going on the stands this month in the U.S. and in most European countries. The natural daughter of musician PAUL McCARTNEY is picking up her father's career in spite of the fact that the former Beatle has not yet recognized her as his daughter, but has accepted to keep an eye on her and on her musical career. Michelle was born from a romantic relationship of Paul McCartney and the French aristocrat Monique La Vallier. They were respectively 17 and 15 at the age she was conceived. The artist, who makes her home in Paris, defines her music style as Hard Rock with a backdrop of pounding and trash-bag rhythm that began in Hollywood where she spent the last fifteen years of her life playing in underground bands as a left-hand guitarist. She moved back to her native France last year and her new album has some songs she wrote and others Teoni L., Patrick LeFerrier and Zenith Leroy, all growing musicians from the underground beat world of Paris, Brussels and Amsterdam. Her last concert in America was at the Hollywood Coconut Teaszer this yearr. Her repertory included guitar playing as well as left handed bass, her titled songs, I WANNA BE YOUR MAN and JOHN LENNON's SCREAM were definitely appreciated, so did MICHELLE, MA BELLE, that she sang almost in tears, evoking the fact that her father wrote it thinking about her. Musically Michelle McCartney has a lot of talent, and even if some of the London and Paris musical papers define her performances as 'needing as lot of improvement', her recent link with MADONNA's composer and mixing-king Patrick Leonard, who was with her in Paris to visit for three weeks to foresee future projects, could lead her career to higher standards. Michelle McCartney was born as Michelle Le Vallier in Paris on April 5, 1961 and her birth certificate states that her father is James-Paul McCartney from England.All of her life as a child Michelle grew up ignoring that she was Paul McCartney's daughter. Her mother just used to say, 'You know, Michelle, your father was a very handsome hippy boy I met when I was a teenager. I became pregnant from our short relationship and when I tried to tell him, he was gone and I never saw him again.' Michelle however discovered who her father was when at age 15, she went to pick up her birth certificate and saw her father's name. As she confronted her mother again, Monique was obliged to tell her the truth, and Michelle tried to make contact with her father without success. Growing up Michelle picked up her father's name and felt the need to embrace her father's career but with anger and frustration in her heart. She saw her father in person only once as she cued up for two hours at Bercy Theatre in Paris on October 14, 1993 after McCartney's concert to have his autograph. When she was finally close to her father, and the late Linda McCartney was next to him, Michelle didn't have the courage of telling him 'Dad, I'm Michelle your daughter'. She just took his autograph and with tears in her eyes kissed his chick. Paul McCartney never knew he had seen his daughter for the very first time. Few months later, returning to Los Angeles Michelle took action as she asked the Los Angeles court to oblige her father to recognize her. When Beatle Paul McCartney was approached years ago and asked why he refused to recognize Michelle as his daughter, he simply declared, 'I have had many women in my life who have tried to impose me with the paternity of their children, I simply refuse to cooperate, and I have to protect myself from these ladies.' When he was asked if he remembered to have had a relation-ship with Michelle's mother Monique Le Vallier, Paul said, 'I don't remember, I was so young!'. Back in 1993, when Michelle asked the Los Angeles Court to oblige Paul McCartney to undergo a blood-test that could prove that he is her father, very cleverly Paul slipped out of the U.S. in time not to be served with the legal papers that would have obliged him to pass the test. In respect of her father's recent loss of his wife Linda, Michelle did not pursue her legal action against Paul McCartney, but was determined to bring back the case both in England and in the U.S. to be recognized. Her attorneys both in the U.K. and in Los Angeles have asked McCartney to keep a law profile with the media until this case is in front of the appropriate court. Paul McCartney was already sued by his other illegitimate daughter, the German born Bettina Llubers in 1986. The case was settled between the two parties by mutual out-of-court agreement. Michelle says that she wouldn't settle with her father for money, and would only be happy and satisfied if Paul recognizes her officially. When Michelle's half-sister Stella McCartney was approached last week in Paris at 'Chloe's Design' in Paris, where she works she declared, 'I don't know this lady and I have nothing to say!' . The same thing was repeated in London, as we tried to approach her other half-sister, pottery designer Heather McCartney and Heather's statement was 'I didn't know I have another sister! However Michelle says that her father made finally an approach to her last summer and they finally met. Though the financial matters have not yet been satisfied to compensate Michelle. Michelle says that the few hours she spent with Paul were the happiest hours of her whole life' She concluded 'My father said that he would keep an eye on my career, and that's all for now.'
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Post by TotalInformation on Jul 15, 2006 22:29:49 GMT
I guess the birth certificate would tell the tale. Has she ever shown it to reporters? Did they verify it? Where was JPM in July 1960?
And is it the original birth certiifcate, or did the mother refile with the father's name in 1964 or some time after?
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Jul 15, 2006 22:43:25 GMT
I don't know the answers to any of your questions, TotalInformation. I haven't even seen a copy of Michelle McCartney's record album. Maybe a photograph of it is included?
Also, I'm not sure "...the story [really] goes" that La Vallier was in London working as a make-up artist. In the text I copied and pasted here from BeatleLinks.net, La Vallier is described as an aristocrat. If so, why would she have been working at all? Don't aristocrats just play croquet all day and drink tea? Hmmm.
Good questions though. I would like to know where James Paul was nine months before April 5, 1961. That would have been on or about July 5, 1960. Maybe he was playing croquet and drinking tea?
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Post by Perplexed on Jul 16, 2006 4:03:01 GMT
from: homepage.mac.com/paul_mccartney/archives/archive1.htmPaul hopes to put to rest the rumors that 46-year-old singer-songwriter Michelle Le Vallier (who has changed her name to Michelle McCartney) is his secret love child. Paul told The Mail Newspaper, "It is total rubbish. I am fed up with scum like her putting around stories like this. There is no truth in it whatsoever. If people want to believe it, they will have to live with the consequences." Paul's publicist Geoff Baker added, "This woman is no more Paul's daughter than I am. She should see a doctor or psychiatrist as soon as possible because she is clearly not well. It's absolute rubbish she's out to lunch. But Paul is not going to be bothered by malicious assumptions of idiots." Michelle Le Vallier is filing papers this week to have Paul's DNA tested. According to her timeline, Paul, now 60, was 15 when he met her mother, Monique, in London and they had sexual relations. He would have been 16 when she was born according to Le Vallier. But in fact, Paul would have been 14-years-old when Michelle was born because she is 46-years-old and Paul is 60. Paul would have met her mother when he was 13!!!! Paul says he lost his virginity at 15.
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Post by Perplexed on Jul 16, 2006 4:15:23 GMT
from: www.iol.ie/~beatlesireland/McCartney/paulstory/paulstory4.htm#secretIs this Paul's secret daughter? By Matt Nixson This woman sensationally claims to be the secret lovechild of millionaire rock star Paul McCartney. Michelle Le Vallier - who has changed her name to McCartney - bears a striking resemblance to the former Beatle and his daughter Mary. An aspring singer-song-writer, Le Vallier tells friends she is following in the footsteps of her musician father. She even plays the bass guitar left-handed like McCartney. Her Claims, while creating speculation in the music world, have been greeted with contempt by the McCartney family. But they could cast an unwelcome shadow over billy’s wedding to fiance Heather Mills on June 6. Le Vallier, who grew up in California but says she now lives in France, insists she discovered whom her father was at 15 when she came across a birth certificate naming one James Paul McCartney. Previously, she had always been told her father was a ‘handsome hippy’ her mother had met while still a teenager and who disappeared when he heard of her pregnancy. Now 41, she says she was conceived when her French aristocrat, mother had a fling with Paul in London In 1950. According to reports, Le Vallier has produced a birth certificate purporting to show she was born on April 5, 1960, which would make billy 17 at the time of the affair. Monique died in 1992 without ever revealing the truth. On October 14, 1093, Le Vallier queued for two hours in Paris to meet McCartney after a Concert But her courage deserted her and she never said a word Months later she went to court to force McCartney to undergo a DNA test. Allegations of gold digging were denied. She claims She only wanted recognition and says the singer slipped out of the United States without taking test following the death of his wife, Linda. They eventually met last summer, she says, after billy finally approached her. My father said he would keep an eye on my career and that’s all for now, she told friends. But despite her amazing story, Le Vallier is not the first to have claimed to be an illegitimate child of the Multimillionaire. In 1983 McCartney underwent two separate blood tests to prove he was not the father of German singer Bettina Hubers. The 20-year-old demanded a cash settlement after claiming the singer paid her mother £13,000 in 1966 to keep quiet about the child. But billy’s friends and family claimed victory after tests came back negative and the German judge said that billy was ruled out as the father. In May l997 Anita Howarth claimed Paul was the father of her 33-year-old son – again denied. On the Le Vallier claims, billy’s publicist, Geoff Baker said; "This woman is no more Paul McCartney’s daughter than I am. She should see a doctor or psychiatrist as soon as possible because she is clearly not well". Bettina? Phillip? Michelle? Is this an epidemic of DOP? Delusions of Parentpsychosis? Well, this slaps a definitive "no" onto the "Was Paul gay, and did he become a transie?" area of inquiry. Paul kept pretty busy with the ladies........
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Jul 16, 2006 7:09:41 GMT
If the coverup of Paul's death had ended with the breakup of the Beatles, instead of going on this long, then the three love children of JPM would never have wasted their time trying to test the DNA of the fake Paul.
It enrages me to read references to these three children of JPM being referred to as "scum" by Faul/Billy/whatsisname.
It's pretty scummy that he's been keeping the truth about their father dying in 1966 secret for almost forty years. Isn't it?
JPM's Brother Michael, step forward! Hold out your arm, please sir, and offer a blood sample with your McCartney DNA for the record, and for your nieces and nephew Michelle McCartney, Bettina Hubers, and Philip Paul Haworth.
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Post by Soothsayer on Jul 17, 2006 11:20:11 GMT
If this info is accurate, then Billy's behaviour is utterly despicable. If he didn't have the balls to come clean after dissolving the 10yr Klein contract, then he should have at least had the decency to say NOTHING, and DECLINE DNA testing, ( if that was an option). How dare he insult JPM's biological children (& beloved memory), in this way? IF they have JPM's blood flowing thru their veins, they have MORE right to the McCartney name, than he ever did.. all that crap about a man just 'doing a job', the best way he can, bla bla , if this is correct, and he really labelled these children as 'scum', it's very indicative of Faul's TRUE feelings about JPM, and The Beatles in general.. <now why does his reaction to John's death suddenly spring to mind??.. chewing gum, & casually declaring "it's a drag, ain't it?".. like he's referring to one of his livestock getting foot & friggin' mouth, as opposed to his dearest 'childhood friend' being gunned down in cold blood!!>. I've always tried to cut the guy some slack with the whole replacement scenario, but we seem to be getting more & more of an insight into what makes this person tick. Don't know much about the other 2, but Bettina's story seems highly plausible, esp seeing as JPM allegedly paid her Mother child support.; english.pravda.ru/society/showbiz/18-02-2006/76135-McCartney-0They all need to be directed to this site, & encouraged to continue their quests, every child deserves to know the truth about their family history.
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Post by Perplexed on Jul 17, 2006 11:47:16 GMT
If this info is accurate, then Billy's behaviour is utterly despicable. If he didn't have the balls to come clean after dissolving the 10yr Klein contract, then he should have at least had the decency to say NOTHING, and DECLINE DNA testing, ( if that was an option). How dare he insult JPM's biological children (& beloved memory), in this way? IF they have JPM's blood flowing thru their veins, they have MORE right to the McCartney name, than he ever did.. all that crap about a man just 'doing a job', the best way he can, bla bla , if this is correct, and he really labelled these children as 'scum', it's very indicative of Faul's TRUE feelings about JPM, and The Beatles in general.. <now why does his reaction to John's death suddenly spring to mind??.. chewing gum, & casually declaring "it's a drag, ain't it?".. like he's referring to one of his livestock getting foot & friggin' mouth, as opposed to his dearest 'childhood friend' being gunned down in cold blood!!>. I've always tried to cut the guy some slack with the whole replacement scenario, but we seem to be getting more & more of an insight into what makes this person tick. Don't know much about the other 2, but Bettina's story seems highly plausible, esp seeing as JPM allegedly paid her Mother child support.; english.pravda.ru/society/showbiz/18-02-2006/76135-McCartney-0They all need to be directed to this site, & encouraged to continue their quests, every child deserves to know the truth about their family history. www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-SBvcrKk18&search=mccartney%20lennon%20diesHe isn't being cold about John; he is stressed, and something deeper is going on here. I am imminently confident he was devastated by the stupid and brutal murder of John by Chapman; but he appears very preoccupied here. Possibly issues of safety; possible a fear that there was more to John's demise than a crazed fan; or, well, who knows. He just wants to slip thru the crowd, appease the reporters, and get the heck away from there, that is clear from the body language.
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Post by Soothsayer on Jul 17, 2006 12:21:38 GMT
I disagree. Knowing the relationship that originally existed between JPM & Lennon, B.C must have known that his reaction, and following statement, in response to John's death, would be eagerly awaited & analysed by distraught fans seeking comfort, & critics alike. IF he was grieving, &/or had any respect for their relationship, he would have been more select with his words, & been more professional and sensitive to the media's portrayal of the character that HE had decided to portray. At this point, Faul had been in the public eye long enough to know damn well how crucial HIS reaction to John's death would be.
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Jul 18, 2006 3:09:28 GMT
They all need to be directed to this site, & encouraged to continue their quests, every child deserves to know the truth about their family history. Thank you, Soothsayer. I'm glad to know someone shares my feelings about this. Any ideas on how Paul's descendents (perhaps there are now grandchildren?) might "...be directed to this site..."? I have hopes that since you are in London, England, you might have access to resources unavailable to Canucks like me. "Cheers"
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Post by TotalInformation on Jul 18, 2006 3:19:20 GMT
Sean Lennon and Dhani Harrison both have myspace accounts. Who will befriend them?
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Jul 20, 2006 7:14:52 GMT
TotalInformation, what do you know about Sean Lennon and Dhani Harrison in respect of this topic we are discussing? Do you think they would be interested?
By the way, I happen to have some notes here on a piece of paper from when I was first reading about the three known likely children of JPM. I'd like to post it here now just for ease of future reference.
Michelle McCartney born 1961 to Monique La Vallier
Philip Paul Cochran-Haworth born 1964 to Anita Cochran
Bettina Hubers (spelling?) born 1961 to ?
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Post by TotalInformation on Jul 20, 2006 13:10:12 GMT
Sean is on record saying the CIA killed his father. Dhani designed the cover to Brainwashed and cowrote Horse to Water with his father.... how interested they are in discussing further family secrets with new people, I don't know.
(Britney Spears' brother was rather frank when I met him, though. Appropos of noting. Or little.)
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Post by unrepentant on Jul 20, 2006 21:56:26 GMT
for what it's worth brian jones fathered at least one child by age 15.
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Jul 21, 2006 0:25:29 GMT
Wikipedia says that Dhani was the only child of any member of the Beatles to be born out of wedlock. They have that up there because George and Olivia didn't marry until a month after Dhani was born, and the Wikipedians don't know about our Paul and how he got a number of young women into the family way and didn't marry them, or even spend time with the kids when they were growing up.
I'm touched by Paul's song to his daughter, Michelle, though. I wonder if he saw a photograph of her as an infant?
Back to TotalInformation's question. I do not have a MySpace account, and even if I did open one up, I don't feel like I'm the best one to communicate with either of them about this issue of Paul's kids. Probably it would be best if it were someone around their own age. Me, I'm 50ish.
But what would the person say to Dhani or Sean? TotalInformation, if you were the one to connect with either of them and brooched the subject of Michelle, Phillip & Bettina, how do you imagine a communication stream might go?
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Post by Soothsayer on Jul 22, 2006 20:01:37 GMT
Well, I'm sure both John & JP would put their kids' safety before anything, so we have to be a bit careful . Like Wills & Harry with their beloved Mum, I'm sure Sean & Julian are aware that there was foul-play involved with their Dad's death.. my question is, what does Sean know/suspect (if anything) about Yoko??.. regarding Faul's frosty reaction to JPM's alleged offspring, I would imagine that his main worry is the financial implications of having ' genuine' heirs to the McCartney estate, that ARE actually entitled to the pre '67 royalties of Paul's songs & all the other Beatles profit sales.. I think it's pretty obvious to anyone who the real 'scum'-bag is here.
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Post by Soothsayer on Jul 22, 2006 21:16:15 GMT
They all need to be directed to this site, & encouraged to continue their quests, every child deserves to know the truth about their family history. Thank you, Soothsayer. I'm glad to know someone shares my feelings about this. Any ideas on how Paul's descendents (perhaps there are now grandchildren?) might "...be directed to this site..."? I have hopes that since you are in London, England, you might have access to resources unavailable to Canucks like me. "Cheers" Hi there PP, sorry 4 the delay in getting back 2 u. To be honest, the only resources available to us in the UK, with regards to this matter, are internet based sites with very limited info. The British public by & large, are becoming increasingly suspicious/aware of political motives & intent, & as a consequence of this, the 'Big Brother' scenario is getting steadily worse.. it's got to the point where just landing on a 'dubious/conspiracy' type site will result in being bombarded with tracking cookies, &/or computer malfunction of some kind, which incidentally, seems to bypass any of the major security programmes that are currently available, & may be enabled on your PC!! With regards to Michelle, if she is filing papers for the DNA test to be done, than she's obviously had a gut-full of Faul's attitude., & the euphoria of 'meeting him last summer' obviously wore off when he dodged the US application for a DNA test. She's clearly a very strong woman, with a convincing case, I think that she deserves to be spared the humiliation of the obvious DNA outcome, & my feeling would be to send her a link to this site via her record co./website. I don't imagine that she pays someone to sift thru her mail yet(!), I would think that she would get it, & out of curiosity, if nothing else, follow it up. I can't seem to get any info on her, can anyone help with a link?/ tour dates?/contact info? etc. Thx, Sooth.
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Jul 23, 2006 1:20:04 GMT
There's going to be a Beatles convention in Toronto in September. I'm planning on going. Perhaps there will be some recordings of Michelle or Bettina for me? I don't think Philip ever ventured into "the biz".
It just occurred to me today that if these three got together and had their DNA compared with one anothers that they might find themselves sharing some otherwise unidentified genes. That could help prove the PID coverup.
Now I wonder if the three of them are in hiding for this very reason, in case there are some very monied and powerful people who do not want the conspiracy revealed yet?
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Post by plastic paul on Jul 23, 2006 17:45:11 GMT
Very interesting theory PP (steal my nickname will ya? ) As always, you're probably right about them hiding unfortunately. Soothsayer, thats a good idea, but i'm afraid I can't find any info on her.
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Jul 24, 2006 21:59:12 GMT
Very interesting theory PP Thanks PP! (steal my nickname will ya? ) Thanks! Don't mind if I do! Or didn't I already? ;D Seriously, Plastic Paul, I was uncertain about whether to use Paulythene Paul as my nic or not because of the similarity to yours, but I just liked it so much, and you got to admit it is of a different derivation (mine from Polythene Pam, and yours from Paul's utterance "Plastic Soul", I surmise, which evolved into the album title Rubber Soul and later your nic). Now I'm wondering if I should have Paulythene Paul trademarked?
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Post by plastic paul on Jul 25, 2006 1:02:42 GMT
Lol, no worries mate.
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