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Post by innspector on Oct 22, 2003 16:33:26 GMT
Please stop. I said "finding documentation" not "arguing clues". You're right. Sorry! |
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Post by danny on Oct 22, 2003 17:54:02 GMT
just a point, but on that site of beatle dates it says september 19, 1966 ringo and paul attend an award ceremony for melody maker......they could not have had a faul yet because 60if says he was kidnapped on the 11th and found about a week later.......or could they have  |
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Post by Curious on Oct 22, 2003 18:04:40 GMT
Good point. I missed that completely.
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Post by PaulBearer on Oct 23, 2003 23:20:27 GMT
Wrong date. We have seen a photo of Paul on stage at the Melody Makers awards dated Sept 13th. Still a problem unless the show was prerecorded...
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Post by StandingThere on Oct 24, 2003 10:01:27 GMT
I may have missed something since I've been on information overload since I found this site but who played Frian since it was announced that Brian died in Aug, 67.a stand in was needed for him. I've been looking but haven't seen much about Brians stand in . Maybe the thing that someone said was not true about the 60if doc. is that Brian survived but turned into a complete basket case till he died in Aug.67. direct me to where I can find out more on Frian thanks  |
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Post by StandingThere on Oct 25, 2003 9:35:27 GMT
Thanks xpt626
I hope somebody can dig something more up about
Brian/Frian
I am curious as heck to find out more.
They say there is one major error in the 60if file
and I can't get rid of the feeling that the error is about Brian.
I have this impression in my mind that Brian actually survived when Paul died.
His depression over what happened contributed to his death the next year.
It just seems unlikely that they could have got a double for him as finding a Faul would be difficult enough.
I guess my impression on this comes from the footage of John when some reporter asks John what his thoughts are on Brians death and John truely looking shocked about his friends death says " well i don't know i've only just heard about it." Then he says a few more things but the look on his face is one of shocked grief and I don't think he could look like that if Brian had already been dead almost a year and to try to fake that look for the camera on hearing about a fake Brians death ,,no I really don't think so.
You can see he is visably upset and that look you just can't fake.
The footage can be found in the anthology dvd but it has also been in other shows. I think it may have been in The complete Beatles but I have seen it many times long before Anthology ever came out.
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Post by SunKing on Oct 25, 2003 10:06:55 GMT
Further documentation about at: xoomer.virgilio.it/james_paul_mccartney/documentation.htmlbut: He roller-coaster(Brian found in a cliff) he got early warning(Frian alerted) He got muddy water(the situation of Brian) he one mojo filter(Frian, a smoker, was Brian a smoker?-see White Album Poster stripe for detail-)  He say "One and one and one is three" (Frian told "How, I can't see Paul...) Got to be good-looking 'cause he's so hard to seeCome together right now over me...-Got to be good-looking 'cause he's so hard to see- |
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Post by googoo on Oct 25, 2003 12:29:31 GMT
Frian, a smoker, Brian NEVER smoked -see White Album Poster stripe for detail Sorry but not true. I have on dvd, the Los Angeles press conference 8-28-66. Brian can be seen sitting in the background smoking a cigarette. |
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Post by SunKing on Oct 25, 2003 12:31:22 GMT
11 September 1967
10.45am. The `Magical Mystery Tour' bus leaves from Allsop Place, London. Start of the Magical Mystery Tour. The bus visits Somerset, Cornualles; Devon; West Mailing Airport, Kent.
...from Allsop Place, London to...West Mailing Airport, Kent.
Wow! The travel James Paul made to caught Brian at the airport on .......September 11th 1966 just ONE YEAR BEFORE?
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Post by SunKing on Oct 25, 2003 12:33:01 GMT
Sorry but not true. I have on dvd, the Los Angeles press conference 8-28-66. Brian can be seen sitting in the background smoking a cigarette. Is it from "Anthology" collection? |
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Post by googoo on Oct 25, 2003 12:37:45 GMT
No. It's called, Beatles - Unauthorized.
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Post by SunKing on Oct 25, 2003 12:47:37 GMT
No. It's called, Beatles - Unauthorized. Reliable then. Have you seen if it was a "mojo filter"? ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by googoo on Oct 25, 2003 13:04:10 GMT
I guess my impression on this comes from the footage of John when some reporter asks John what his thoughts are on Brians death and John truely looking shocked about his friends death says " well i don't know i've only just heard about it." Then he says a few more things but the look on his face is one of shocked grief and I don't think he could look like that if Brian had already been dead almost a year and to try to fake that look for the camera on hearing about a fake Brians death ,,no I really don't think so. It is difficult to grieve a death that isn't "known". When the death is acknowledged publicly, real feelings can emerge from hiding. Also consider that, Frian's death was in fact a shock, and a strong warning about the consequences of not following the program... |
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Post by innspector on Oct 27, 2003 20:51:05 GMT
It is difficult to grieve a death that isn't "known". When the death is acknowledged publicly, real feelings can emerge from hiding. Also consider that, Frian's death was in fact a shock, and a strong warning about the consequences of not following the program... I agree. Imagine, having Paul's and Brian's death inside them, and a year after aprox. giving public declarations for "Brian's" death... hard thing to do, feelings really can emerge, and I think they did not just for Brian. The words they said were really for Paul and Brian, they appeared really in pain, I can hear John and George saying "he was our friend" and deep inside them saying that for Paul, it was like a catharsis for them. |
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Dec 16, 2003 0:02:17 GMT
aristoteles.ciencias.uchile.cl/~vmunoz/dates/feb1.html1967 Studio 2. 7.00pm-2.30am. Recording: `Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band' (takes 1-9). Producer: George Martin; Engineer: Geoff Emerick; 2nd Engineer: Richard Lush. Recording of rythm track of `Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band'. 1st use of DI (Direct Injection) in Beatles recordings: Paul's bass. Start of proper sessions for `Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band'. Why, all of a sudden, should they need to use dropping in as a technique, if they've never needed to before? This stinks like a fish. DI means "direct imput." That is, essentially, plugging the bass guitar directly into the mixing board. Previously, the bass player would get the best sound he could from his amp, then the engineer would stick a mike in front of the amp, that leading to the bass track on the mixing board. Nowadays, direct imput is the norm. There is supposidly more control over the signal, and with some studio effects it can definately sound better than miking a bass amp. The problem, which the Beatles were addressing at that session, is that low frequencies from a bass guitar were tricky to get on tape...properly. They were never happy with the lack of punch and 'meat' the bass got at the studio. So, the method of recording the bass changed, and it was not 'dropped in' or manipulated in any real way. The imput cord simply went from the guitar to the mixing board... |
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Post by Perplexed on Dec 16, 2003 4:23:49 GMT
Also, any instrument recorded with "direct input", DI boxes, whatever, will be different from the mike hung in front of the amplifier technique in two major ways:
a) The blending of other live instruments nearby to the live bass mike will be absent, (a moot point when the bass player is in a soundproof cubicle), and
(b) the dimension of something called "live room ambiance" will be missing.
Instaed of a broad, flabby but atmospherically complex signal from the bass mike, you have a dry as dirt but very manipulatable signal delivered to your bass track.
There are advantages to both. It depends on the kind of overall sound you want.
The opening of Sgt Pepper's, however it was done, has a lot of intermingled live ambiant sound, on purpose. That is to stimulate the environment of the arena hall live performance. A song like "Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds" is all as dry as dirt except where they add a little effects here and there. I haven't read all the particulars about how they say each and evert track was recorded.
But there were good reasons to start recording with more track isolation in 1966. Partially stylistic--the industry was just going that way. Partially logistics I presume.
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Post by Curious on Dec 16, 2003 10:31:28 GMT
Oops - we always used to use DI to mean "dropping in"...
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Dec 25, 2003 18:41:06 GMT
28IF
Sound familiar?
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Post by joelcrowservo on Nov 8, 2004 4:59:11 GMT
aristoteles.ciencias.uchile.cl/~vmunoz/dates/feb1.html1967 Studio 2. 7.00pm-2.30am. Recording: `Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band' (takes 1-9). Producer: George Martin; Engineer: Geoff Emerick; 2nd Engineer: Richard Lush. Recording of rythm track of `Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band'. 1st use of DI (Direct Injection) in Beatles recordings: Paul's bass. Start of proper sessions for `Sgt Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band'. Why, all of a sudden, should they need to use dropping in as a technique, if they've never needed to before? This stinks like a fish. Well, actually whats meant by Direct Injection is plugging an instrument (in this case, Pauls Rickenbacker) directly into the recording mixer, as opposed to miking an amp. Much easier than the time consuming miking process. This is the bass sound used on much of the White Album. John was so enamoured of "DI" that he asked George Martin if he could have his voice direct injected. George said "yes, if you have surgery to put a jack-plug into your neck!" SORRY..FOR SOME REASON WHEN I SAW THIS QUOTE THE NEXT PAGE WITH COMMENTS WOULDNT SHOW UP..TIL NOW! OH WELL.. |
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Post by Jilli on Jan 13, 2005 12:14:25 GMT
From StandingThere's post:
"reporter asks John what his thoughts are on Brians death and John truely looking shocked about his friends death says " well i don't know i've only just heard about it."
This has always struck me as odd. John of that time would have said "F*** off or go screw yourself." Sounds like he is on the defensive. Could it be he was shocked by the reporter's question as if John had already known Brian was dead and had died the year before?
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