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Post by Fwings on Jan 8, 2004 22:08:51 GMT
If the truth about Paul ever comes out, then it will probably be attached to the truth about Brian.
I think we're all a bit more focused on Paul because the world already views Brian as deceased. Sure, it was ten months too late, and they distorted and perverted his death, but we've still got the Paul imposter running around today. It's harder to prove anything for poor Brian.
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Post by authentic on Jan 8, 2004 23:49:11 GMT
Eventually, be patient my friend...You can't rush fate... I agree 100% that Brian deserves the same amount of respect as Paul...  Authentic~ |
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Post by PaulBearer on Jan 12, 2004 1:22:50 GMT
And, considering that Brian was the primary target...
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Post by lorraine on Mar 23, 2004 13:58:20 GMT
I do not think that Paul and Brian died in France but rather in the United States or in England quite simply because the KKK this organistaion of dead does not exist in France ......
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Post by abbey on Sept 28, 2004 4:16:35 GMT
I'm not so sure that Brian was the main target. I think Paul was being taught a lesson for wanting to leave the Beatles. It got out of hand because the Beatles didn't know that an outsider was playing for keeps.
I have heard a rumor somewhere that Brian set Paul up....just rumor, mind. But it does make you wonder. Paul would have been wise enough to know that Brian was "skimming the cream off the top" and not giving them the amount of money they had really earned. Nor did he always get the best deals for them such as the merchandising percentage.
Brian was killed because whoever the killers were didn't trust a gay man to be trustworthy. Remember, we are talking about the 60's here.
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Post by PaulBearer on Sept 29, 2004 5:34:26 GMT
Brian was killed because whoever the killers were didn't trust a gay man to be trustworthy. Remember, we are talking about the 60's here. That's assuming, of course, that Brian was actually gay in the first place, rather than Frian who may have been caught by the press in a compromising position; if this was the case, then history had to be rewritten to keep the plot going. ...I don't know how you were diverted
You were perverted too
I don't know how you were inverted
No one alerted you...NB: The above is speculation and is still open to question. |
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Post by abbey on Sept 29, 2004 13:56:48 GMT
From what I have heard, when Brian saw them at the Cavern, he was immediately drawn to John in his tight leather outfit. Also he had been caught in some compromising situations before he "discovered" The Beatles. Situations which were smoothed over by his afluent family and his mommy always took his side. She knew he was "different".
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Post by peoplescommittee on Jan 9, 2005 0:48:09 GMT
Brian was gay. That much is confirmed by friends who knew him. That John Lennon had an affair with him...now that is the stuff of uncertainty and rumor.
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Post by abbey on May 31, 2005 4:41:20 GMT
Actually, it was true. John used Brian whenever he felt like it. Brian was totally in love with John and he like the rough, tough exterior that John exuded.
However, Brian was NEVER their manager because he had never signed the contract. He was never entitled to a dime they earned. He was also skimming money from them and got them really bad merchandising deals. He was a very poor manager. And the way he ran them ragged was beyond belief and just plain cold hearted. If you ever study the first American concert stops, he had them hopping all over and not enough rest periods or time for them to catch up on their rest.
As a mother, if I had been the mother of any of those lads, Brian would have been singing and dancing to a whole new beat!!!!!!
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Post by peoplescommittee on Jun 1, 2005 22:51:12 GMT
Actually, it was true. John used Brian whenever he felt like it. Brian was totally in love with John and he like the rough, tough exterior that John exuded. True? State your proof, beyond Albert "Lyin' Al" Goldman and a few tall tales spun by Brian's friends that could never be substantiated besides gossip. However, Brian was NEVER their manager because he had never signed the contract. He was never entitled to a dime they earned. He was also skimming money from them and got them really bad merchandising deals. He was a very poor manager. And the way he ran them ragged was beyond belief and just plain cold hearted. If you ever study the first American concert stops, he had them hopping all over and not enough rest periods or time for them to catch up on their rest. I understand that he was indeed a shoddy manager, but he made that mistake in merchandising because he had no experience. He was a rich guy who decided to try managing after other unsuccessful ideas. He never expected it to work; when it did, he was beyond upset because he'd never had success before and he'd never done it. As for his name not being on their contract, that was in the preliminary stage, when he was just getting to know them. Later, a new contract was drawn up (I'm going to say around December of 1962, maybe) which all of them, including Brian, signed. Besides, he added his signature to the contract he didn't sign later. As a mother, if I had been the mother of any of those lads, Brian would have been singing and dancing to a whole new beat!!!!!! I don't doubt it. |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Jun 2, 2005 0:01:57 GMT
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Post by abbey on Jun 2, 2005 14:49:39 GMT
As talented as they were, someone would have discovered them and managed them anyway. And it might have been someone who had the capabilities of managing a group that turned out to be such a success.
Brian was inexperienced and should have asked for help as he was in over his head.
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Post by LovelyJulia on Jun 5, 2005 5:40:03 GMT
As talented as they were, someone would have discovered them and managed them anyway. And it might have been someone who had the capabilities of managing a group that turned out to be such a success. Brian was inexperienced and should have asked for help as he was in over his head. We finally agree on something, you senile old goat!  Oh yes Brian was so inexperienced it was laughable. Someone more qualified could have done the job much better. But the Beatles loved Brian regardless, and it was when him (or his imposter, whichever) died that it really took a harsh dive |
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Post by abbey on Jun 5, 2005 6:03:47 GMT
They thought a lot less of him when they found he'd been stealing from them.
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Post by LovelyJulia on Jun 5, 2005 6:05:48 GMT
I never saw much contempt from the Beatles, who were more about peace and less on grudges as they've repeatedly said.
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Post by abbey on Jun 5, 2005 6:20:18 GMT
As has been stated previously, there was a possiblility that when Brian went to pick Paul up in France, Paul confronted Brian over his (Brian's) having been thievin' from the Beatles and Paul was quite brassed.
Paul would have been the spokesman for the others because George is shy; John would just have wanted to give him a good thrashin'; and Ringo..............probably didn't feel he could do it.
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Post by ladymoonlight on Aug 1, 2013 21:57:10 GMT
The "boys" would never have made it without Brian Epstein. period. He was a businessman with a money background. When he wanted to manage them, they jumped at it. No one else was interested. In fact, they weren't even the most popular group on the Merseybeat scene. Rory Storm & the Hurricanes and The Big Three were more popular.
No one knew about the "merchandising" aspect in those days. That is a relatively new concept. That's why tours are now such moneyspinners; in the 60s "pop" entertainers went on tour to promote records but made no money out of it.
Brian was like "King Midas" for them and they loved him for making them famous.
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