TheDZ
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Camp X
Nov 6, 2005 5:19:06 GMT
Post by TheDZ on Nov 6, 2005 5:19:06 GMT
Quoting Wikipedia: Camp X was the unofficial name of a World War II paramilitary and commando training installation, on the northwestern shore of Lake Ontario between Whitby and Oshawa in Ontario, Canada. Camp X was jointly operated by the British Security Coordination (BSC) and the Government of Canada. The official names of the camp were many: S 25-1-1 by the RCMP, Project-J by the Canadian military, and STS-103 (Special Training School 103) by the SOE (Special Operations Executive), a branch of the British intelligence service MI-6. Initiator and reason behind site selection Camp X was established December 6, 1941 by the BSC's chief, Sir William Stephenson, a Canadian from Winnipeg, Manitoba and a close confidante of Winston Churchill and Franklin Delano Roosevelt. The camp was first opened for the purpose of training American COI (forerunner to the CIA) agents to be dropped behind enemy lines as saboteurs and spies, at a time when the US was forbidden by an Act of Congress to be involved in World War Two. One of the unique features of Camp X was Hydra, a highly sophisticated telecommunications center. Given the name by the Camp X operators, Hydra was invaluable for both coding and decoding information in relative safety from the prying ears of German radio observers. The camp was an excellent location for the safe transfer of code due to the topography of the land; Lake Ontario made it an excellent site for picking up radio signals from the UK. Hydra also had direct access via land lines to Ottawa, New York and Washington for telegraph and telephone communications. Legacy of the project Camp X trained over five hundred Allied secret agents, including British intelligence operative Ian Fleming, later famous for his James Bond books. The Camp X pupils were schooled in a wide variety of special techniques including silent killing, sabotage, partisan support & recruitment methods for resistance movements, demolition, map reading, skilled use of various weapons, and Morse code. www.campxhistoricalsociety.ca/
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Camp X
Nov 6, 2005 9:31:59 GMT
Post by Perplexed on Nov 6, 2005 9:31:59 GMT
Very interesting. I see that Roald Dahl was on of the "trainees".
Now I have to look for secret clues in "Willy Wonka/Charley and the Chocolate Factory". Though, clues on what, I know not.
I dunno, the Great Candy Conspiracy?
Maybe there is a hidden meaning in a story about a very secretive, mysterious recluse master minding a billion dollar enterprise suddenly and covertly running an advertising promotion in order to isolate and secure a potentially groomable candidate for becoming his inevitable replacement. But not just anybody, but a very unusual, thoughtful child that he discovers living impoverished right down the street from his mega-titanic chocolate factory. [Depp's Wonka looks pale, wan, and washed out but as hippy chic and vintage cool as a Pied Piper meets Ebenezer Scrooge version of Michael Jackson on a cover of Cosmo.]
Wonka picked his prefered kid long before engaging in the elaborate ruse involving lottery rare candy bars stuffed with Golden Tickets, a vast, international publicity campaign, and an elaborate, prestaged, day-long in-depth tour of the factory.
So, why did Wonka go to so much extra effort to secure the kid's loyalty?
I guess he thought that he could breathe easier with a little heir. (!)
Why did Dahl concoct such a enduring, endearing, milk-chocolatey confection for us to read?
I guess to illustrate why it is sometimes the many are called but the few are chosen.
And that good things may pass a person by because of lust, ambition, vanity, arrogance, and, well, gluttony.
Rendering the world of high achievement as a candy factory run by a single minded, quixotic, solitary figure--who engineers fiendish, draconian punishments on his eager but obnoxious young contestants as part of his tour retinue, has deep implications on the power system of the world at large. I can't tell quite if he has critiqued them, lauded them, or just made veiled commentary about some of them, but the core implication is this:
Few people in the world realize that true power, or true advancement, is not awarded by those already in power to any cunning persons, for as their flimsy veneer and glaring charactor flaws are always unveiled during any pretentious attempts to curry favor from the successful, they reap nothing and are left holding empty dreams and delivering nothing of value for their fellows benefit. Chasing power and riches for their sake alone is doomed to failure.
Now, for the more sincere other type of people, who take their small opportunites seriously and are dedicated in their service and position, they often find that the world, as time goes on, accomodates them increasingly, and provides them naturally with rewards and ever increasing incentive.
Wonka searched for that kind of a young person, truly the boy himself was not looking or expecting anything more than a simple day of enjoyment at the factory.
The other kids, expecting to be handed much for nothing, went home having either learned a lesson, or sustaining a loss that may, in time, teach the child his lesson.
And that is like the world sometimes.
And Roald Dahl discovered, I guess, in a camp where they strip you down, specialty you, teach you obedience, discipline, and how the enemy thinks and and people in general, how to prosper in an adverse environment, that may have been an enviroment to him to find out, among the candidates for "spyhood" around him, just how people can be, how they are motivated, what is important, and just why some things come to some people who aren't fighting to have them, and why others find their "gottahave's" so darned elusive. Dahl saw the world as a machine--a giant automated candy factory, whose ceaseless work shaped and molded people, instead of gum drops and chewing gum.
Just my 2ยข worth. That and a couple of dollars will still get you a candy bar.
Which we can all teethe easier as a little square, thanks to Hershey's.
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TheDZ
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Camp X
Nov 6, 2005 18:25:32 GMT
Post by TheDZ on Nov 6, 2005 18:25:32 GMT
It's been speculated by some that Dahl's books were/are used for mind control/programming purposes... "James Bond is a highly romanticized version of a true spy. The real thing is ... William Stephenson" -- Ian Flemingquoting www.campxhistoricalsociety.ca/: William Stephenson with the assistance of Hamish Mitchell, John Pepper, Walter Wren and Colonel Dick Ellis developed the BSC into a vast intelligence network stretching throughout North and South America. Quoting TKIN: A friend of Ringo suggested a solution which could be made possible through the intelligence service department: they had expert cosmetic surgeons and make-up artists at their disposal who could recreate perfect doubles in their secret labs...but in exchange for their help we had to keep quiet about what had happened. The penalty for refusing to remain silent was death. ....... The English Government decided to dedicate the Canadian Provost Corps, a division of the Canadian Military Police to manage the entire matter. And so, Billy became Sergeant Billy (Pepper) as he was required to be under military oath and his role as Neil Aspinall was replaced by another lookalike.
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Camp X
Nov 6, 2005 23:51:41 GMT
Post by plastic paul on Nov 6, 2005 23:51:41 GMT
Highly interesting...
So now Roald Dahl has links to these strange goings on.
Scary stuff
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Camp X
Nov 10, 2005 13:06:26 GMT
Post by BeatlePaul on Nov 10, 2005 13:06:26 GMT
It's been speculated by some that Dahl's books were/are used for mind control/programming purposes... "James Bond is a highly romanticized version of a true spy. The real thing is ... William Stephenson" -- Ian Flemingquoting www.campxhistoricalsociety.ca/: William Stephenson with the assistance of Hamish Mitchell, John Pepper, Walter Wren and Colonel Dick Ellis developed the BSC into a vast intelligence network stretching throughout North and South America. Quoting TKIN: A friend of Ringo suggested a solution which could be made possible through the intelligence service department: they had expert cosmetic surgeons and make-up artists at their disposal who could recreate perfect doubles in their secret labs...but in exchange for their help we had to keep quiet about what had happened. The penalty for refusing to remain silent was death. ....... The English Government decided to dedicate the Canadian Provost Corps, a division of the Canadian Military Police to manage the entire matter. And so, Billy became Sergeant Billy (Pepper) as he was required to be under military oath and his role as Neil Aspinall was replaced by another lookalike. Today I was shocked finding out that....
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Camp X
Nov 10, 2005 13:52:22 GMT
Post by plastic paul on Nov 10, 2005 13:52:22 GMT
What!?
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Camp X
Nov 10, 2005 14:07:26 GMT
Post by BeatlePaul on Nov 10, 2005 14:07:26 GMT
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Camp X
Nov 10, 2005 18:21:02 GMT
Post by BeatlePaul on Nov 10, 2005 18:21:02 GMT
I am still wondering if those two people could be the same person.....
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Camp X
Nov 10, 2005 20:52:08 GMT
Post by defhermit on Nov 10, 2005 20:52:08 GMT
I love having my posts deleted... either BeatlePaul or "Forum Admin" deleted my post in this thread... all I said was "so Don Knotts is Faul McCartney"... pfft....
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Camp X
Nov 11, 2005 0:04:55 GMT
Post by gracemer on Nov 11, 2005 0:04:55 GMT
BP, why are you doing this? WHY?
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TheDZ
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Camp X
Nov 11, 2005 5:19:20 GMT
Post by TheDZ on Nov 11, 2005 5:19:20 GMT
Today I was shocked finding out that.... Well, although there is a similar proportional relationship between Faul and Brian's features, and similar forehead/cheekbones, it would take some very radical plastic surgery on the nose, eyes and ears to transform Brian into Faul. I'm not convinced, but if there's more evidence... always willing to at least consider it. p.s. defhermit's a pffter..
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Camp X
Nov 11, 2005 7:14:10 GMT
Post by BeatlePaul on Nov 11, 2005 7:14:10 GMT
BP, why are you doing this? WHY? Really I am still shocked to find out that comparison. Each forehead wrinkle matches. The side hair lines match perfectly Orbits shape and carunculas postion all match so his left (our right) face part peculiar features. In same photos Faul has still a lower lip "very similar" to that of Brian. Somewhere I've read that the true Linda last name was Epstein. I was always wondering why George Harrison was deeply involved in the infamous film "Life of Brian" (see: www.imdb.com/title/tt0079470/) George, who told: " There's a fog upon L.A. And my friends have lost their way We'll be over soon they said Now they've lost themselves instead." I'm not convinced, but if there's more evidence... always willing to at least consider it. The same here. And there is so much more....
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Camp X
Nov 11, 2005 12:27:27 GMT
Post by BeatlePaul on Nov 11, 2005 12:27:27 GMT
Craniofacial dimensions an features seem to be the same here too... (Brian profile was flipped but it doens't influence the outline shape) All the rest is just "fixable"... Still fully shocking .... Ah BTW all what said about the new "Aspinall" is STILL FULLY VALID because .....
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Camp X
Nov 11, 2005 20:53:19 GMT
Post by BeatlePaul on Nov 11, 2005 20:53:19 GMT
... of this: James Bond and Superman. A spy with "Intelligence Service" skills and a superhero with a double life. Completely telling.
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Camp X
Nov 12, 2005 23:54:57 GMT
Post by plastic paul on Nov 12, 2005 23:54:57 GMT
My god so don knotts is brian, and billy is neil, and they are all the same man? Give me a break! [/center] [/quote] To me it seems as though they could match because (as we look) the left has been fully shown and the right is only half faded in... I find this wholly unconvincing. I don't want to sound like a disinformationalist myself but we really are beginning to get ridiculed by everyone like this and all these theories about who is who is starting to get unbelievable. What was the problem with bill being a replacement full stop...?
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TheDZ
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Camp X
Nov 13, 2005 5:53:15 GMT
Post by TheDZ on Nov 13, 2005 5:53:15 GMT
Well I have a couple of things to say..
I am personally unconcerned with ridicule...it's irrelevant.
Secondly, I've been trying to get a match between Brian's features and Faul's and I am not getting a satisfying result..
Like I said before, Brian would had to have been carved up pretty good to become Faul...Major Rhinoplasty...plus with all the extra nasal real estate, they could have given Faul a proper nose tip..I'm no surgeon mind you, perhaps it doesn't work that way..
The time logistics just don't add up for me either..just very little time to heal from such a drastic operation and then be out to impersonate Paul.
Still, an interesting propostion..sometimes exploring unusual possibilities (lateral thinking) can produce some good (and unexpected) results..
btw..I believe the suppositions being presented by BP are 1. Brian Epstein replaced Paul McCartney 2. Don Knotts replaced Brian Epstein 3. Neil Aspinall was Brian's alter ego?
Not convinced yet either , but perhaps there's more..
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Camp X
Nov 13, 2005 23:19:08 GMT
Post by BeatlePaul on Nov 13, 2005 23:19:08 GMT
What was the problem with bill being a replacement full stop...? I think you are right. We are far beyond the TKIN! original aim that was what you are saying. But the research and investigation can't stop in front of the last taboo. Brian already owned Beatles rights so the "Paul McCartney" brand name too. Legally "perfect". About "that" comparison? The carunculas distance (the most reliable reference) was equalized and (OMG) all the rest matches perfectly. Better for me a 50% trasparence overaly like this: "Three coincidences are a proof"And here we have at least 9. All the difference about eyes nose and ears were "fixable" with plastic surgery. About nose: About the ears see Reply #19 at: 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=Essential&action=display&thread=1113163505I still hope that Brian is NOT Faux Paul McCartney but revisiting all Beatles work after 1966 it seem to be ... Sum up: Brian decided (after having surgery) to impersonate both faux-Paul Mccartney and faux-Neil Aspinall. When character "Brian" appeared with the Beatles (very few times maybe just one) it was impersonated by Don Knotts (as stand-in) There was "at least" one Aspinall replacement too when Brian/Faul was filmed with character Neil. It was not so complicated once you decide to use doubles....
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Camp X
Nov 14, 2005 0:47:42 GMT
Post by gracemer on Nov 14, 2005 0:47:42 GMT
Somewhere I've read that the true Linda last name was Epstein. Epstein was her father's name before he changed it.
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Camp X
Nov 14, 2005 12:49:23 GMT
Post by BeatlePaul on Nov 14, 2005 12:49:23 GMT
... there are others but #7 and #8 are VERY peculiar
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Camp X
Nov 14, 2005 12:50:11 GMT
Post by BeatlePaul on Nov 14, 2005 12:50:11 GMT
Somewhere I've read that the true Linda last name was Epstein. Epstein was her father's name before he changed it. Very interesting. Interesting too the source.
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Camp X
Nov 14, 2005 14:29:01 GMT
Post by plastic paul on Nov 14, 2005 14:29:01 GMT
What was the problem with bill being a replacement full stop...? Sorry BP i wasn't clear i'm not saying "we know he's not JPM so that's that" I just think it could easily be someone who we can't compare "before" pics with, because he wasn't famous before he replaced JPM, so no pics exist As far as i am aware brian had absolutely no talent for music (although others may say neither does faul) so for him to replace JPM would be ridiculous surely. I just feel while we persue these other avenues we're getting further from the truth.
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Camp X
Nov 15, 2005 3:12:19 GMT
Post by gracemer on Nov 15, 2005 3:12:19 GMT
"Linda McCartney, raised in Scarsdale, N.Y., was the daughter of Louise Lindner and entertainment lawyer Lee Eastman (ne Epstein). Her grandfather was Max Joseph Linder, who operated a famed women's clothing shop in Cleveland and was active in the city's major Reform temple; Max's wife, and Stella's great-grandmother, was Stella Dryfoos." www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.12.27/featherman.html
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Camp X
Nov 16, 2005 11:21:38 GMT
Post by BeatlePaul on Nov 16, 2005 11:21:38 GMT
Fantastic! I am fully amazed....
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Camp X
Nov 19, 2005 13:16:56 GMT
Post by BeatlePaul on Nov 19, 2005 13:16:56 GMT
"Linda McCartney, raised in Scarsdale, N.Y., was the daughter of Louise Lindner and entertainment lawyer Lee Eastman (ne Epstein). Her grandfather was Max Joseph Linder, who operated a famed women's clothing shop in Cleveland and was active in the city's major Reform temple; Max's wife, and Stella's great-grandmother, was Stella Dryfoos." www.forward.com/issues/2002/02.12.27/featherman.htmlThanks.
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Camp X
Nov 24, 2005 17:10:43 GMT
Post by BeatlePaul on Nov 24, 2005 17:10:43 GMT
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