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Post by beldabeast on Sept 2, 2003 14:27:39 GMT
P.S. Oddly enough, I also dropped out of being a Paul McCartney fan sometime in the mid 70s because, again, something had become different about him for a while that I couldn't quite put my finger on. This is really a lesson in learning to trust my inner knowings! Same with me ! Despite having decided Paul was alive all those years ago and dismissing the matter from my mind I knew somewhere in the back of my head something was'nt right !
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Post by beldabeast on Sept 7, 2003 11:47:11 GMT
I looked at the pictures of Doris Day from Uberkinder's site and it looks obvious to me that the person in the 'after 1959' pictures is not the same peson as the one in the 'before 1959' pics. The one very obvious physical trait to me is the teeth. Notice in the third and fourth pics down the two front teeth in the left pictures are longer and extend further down than the other teeth. In the pictures on the right, the teeth are the same length. Very noticable. I dont know . Maybe if I saw some of those animations . It WOULD be interesting as hell to look into ! www.anycities.com/user/uberkinder/digit/likedorisday.html
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Post by Perplexed on Sept 29, 2003 7:35:08 GMT
Just found this post.
Well, uberkinder does great work. And I see all the Paul material and I agree.
But I can't see the Doris switch. I do see that she had a nose bob (common in the 50's, Marylyn Monroe had a couple of 'em I think) and she had her front teeth filed down (I had that done a few years ago) and the hair changes a lot. I see that she moves her eyebrows around by plucking and drawing in new ones ( my mom did that for years).
I am not saying that I am right and that he is wrong. I am saying that I just can't see it with Doris., Or hear it, really. I lifted "Shakin' the Blues Away" and "Ten Cents a Dance", and "Que Sera Sera" and "Secret Love" for a musical review. I listened to those tracks over and over to pick out orchestration lines etc. Those, at least, seem to me to be sung by the exact same voice.
With Paul/Faul I see it, I hear it.
I just can't pick it out with Doris.
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Post by Forever 17 on Sept 29, 2003 8:01:20 GMT
It's funny but so possible that people can listen to comparisons and hear different things. I still believe her voice changes.
I think something that might prove it better is to compare the original recording of "Que Sera' Sera'" from the movie to the recording of the theme of the later TV show. I think it was even sang in a different key, like Paul/Faul's recordings.
Just my observations. I'm not completely positive on this yet, but I have a feeling something is wrong. She never talks about her son during interviews and he never talks to anyone about anything, and they have never been photographed together.
On the other hand, what about all her marriage disaster hooplas, and why wouldn't someone have said something during all that?
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Post by Darkhorse on Oct 4, 2003 2:42:06 GMT
Just looking at the Doris Day pictures again on Uberkinder's website and the lady on the left doesn't look hardly anything like the one on the right. I can't believe they got away with this. The difference is obvious. People must have known or had suspicions at that time. This is easy to figure out and you don't need clues either.
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Post by Sun King™ on Jul 15, 2006 15:01:58 GMT
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Post by Paul Bearer on Jul 15, 2006 16:59:03 GMT
Where'd you get that Doris Day picture? It doesn't look like an old enough picture. I mean, she died in about 1956. Did they have pictures that good then?
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Post by beldabeast on Jul 15, 2006 19:09:35 GMT
My theory on Manson is he didnt do the killings at all . What do you think the odds of a randomly constituted hippy commune of 20 people would produce 5 people capable of such a crime ? The odds must be in the kazillions . The Beatles had been frequenting the tate house for almost 2 years prior to the killings . The 1st moonshot, chappaquiddick , Tate , and Brian Jones murder all happened in the space of a month. My theory in a nutshell is the Beatles and Melcher confessed to each other about paul and Doris and the word got out in 68 promting a search for someone with musical talent to be imbedded in the Tate circle . Manson filled the bill . He was set up to be a patsy . He thought he was spying for the government but he was being Lee Harvey-ied. There is a thread with my theory somewhere on here Come meet me at myspace www.myspace.com/boliedunn
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Post by TotalInformation on Jul 15, 2006 22:02:33 GMT
Basically right, but your timing's off. The Beatles found out about DORIS DAY in 1965, and that's when JPM started grooming his own fauxPauls to blow it all open. But then JPM was killed and...
Manson was raised in a Justice Dept. orphanage!!! Dr. Josef Mengele "Green" was the closest thing had to a father figure! A couple of Manson followers were FBI informants basically hypnotized into "confessing" after the fact. Then Nixon went on national television and declared Manson guilty, and that was that.
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Post by beldabeast on Jul 16, 2006 5:17:47 GMT
Yeah , that works just as well . I wouldn't be surprised if the same crew that was on Chappaquiddick that night did the Tate caper .
That story makes no sense either . If I had had two brothers killed and I know Nixon is the potus I am SO SURE I am going to load a girl in the car and go driving down a dark country road !
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Jul 16, 2006 12:10:17 GMT
Beldabeast wrote: "There is a thread with my theory somewhere on here."Yes, it's here: 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=conspiracies&action=display&thread=1059968919&page=5Reply #121 (quote Beldabeast)(emphasis by Byrdsmaniac) "RIGHT ! Here are some things I've noticed . Events are staged rto divert attention away from something else . Often in a manner designed to kill multiple birds with one stone . I dont think Ted Kennedy was STUPID enough to load that girl in a car and go driving alone down a dark country road with NIXXON in the white house and two recently assasinated brothers ! That does not compute ! I also do not think a gaggle of 20 long haired pot smoking butt munches in Mansons commune would produce 5 homicidal maniacs . That does not compute ! I also do not think Jane Fonda was anything but a Nixon operative being used to divert attention from Water gate ( one bird ) and to generate backlash support for the war ( two birds ). How the hell did she get in Vietnam ? I am sure Air France wasnt flying into hanoi ar the time . China isnt going to allow border crossings into a warring neigbors territory if they have a responsible government at all . Roe vs Wade was a Nixon false flag stunt to further divert attention from watergate and to shore up the relifious right vote . If I were running the democratic party , why would I wake that dog up ?" (end quote) My response, reply #122, posted in February, and modified today, is here: "Whoah! I'm into conspiracies as much as anyone, but you're a little too wound up, it would seem to me. (No offense meant.) You wrote: "I dont think Ted Kennedy was STUPID enough to load that girl in a car and go driving alone down a dark country road....." I own a book that pieces together what happened. The title was "Chappaquidick Revealed"*, and basically what the author says happened, after a sort of forensic evaluation of the evidence, is that initially Ted lost control of the car. He may have been run off the road, but in any case, Mary Jo Kopechne was knocked out during the car accident, which resulted in some dents on the car, but it didn't stop the car from running. This event did not take place at the bridge. Fearing that she was dead, Ted called in some friends, and they decided to try to hide what they thought was Mr. Kennedy's responsibility for her death, by sending the car off the bridge with her in it, so that it would appear that she had drowned. They figured her death would be ruled "accidental death by drowning", and Ted would be off the hook. I know this is horrible, but according to the book, the evidence shows that they followed through with the plan, and, in fact, she ultimately did drown. You wrote: "I also do not think Jane Fonda was anything but a Nixon operative being used to divert attention from Watergate...." There's no way in hell that one works. I don't know the dates of her trip, but I'm fairly certain it was well before the Watergate scandal story broke. Anyone who remembers her in those days knows that just can't be true. It's like saying Grace Slick was a Nixon operative, or Jim Morrison. You wrote: "Roe vs Wade was a Nixon false flag stunt to further divert attention from watergate and to shore up the religious right vote." Same comment: Check the dates. Something like that might happen in this day and age, but back in the 1970's, as corrupt as they may have been, there was still a respect for the division of powers in government. The 'religious right' vote, as you term it, was not organised in any way at that time. You're seeing past events with year 2000 glasses. * www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?isbn=0312926731&cm_ven=ggl&cm_pla=Top_Titles_2&cm_ite=0312926731&afscr =1 (end quote) www.supremelaw.org/sls/email/box010/msg01092.htm"Edward Harrington was the law partner of Paul Markham, (1) one of the two >individuals at Ted Kennedy’s side the night Mary Jo Kopoechne died, drowning >inside the car upside-down underwater beneath the Dyke Bridge on >Chappaquiddick Island. Edward Harrington also served under Paul Markham on >the Strike Force of the U.S. Attorney’s office in Boston. (2) > >EDWARD HANIFY >Edward B. Hanify is the father of John Hanify. Edward Hanify of Ropes & Gray >(4) in Boston was the lead attorney in Ted Kennedy’s extensive defense team >(5) >as stated in the book Chappaquiddick Revealed, "The Kennedy attorneys were >brilliantly led by Edward B. Hanify, a Boston Brahmin if ever there was one. >Hanify headed the venerable Boston law firm of Ropes & Gray…." (p105)" It's all well and good to have theories, Beldabeast, but it helps when there's a shred of evidence to support them. I don't usually throw stones here, because I can be pretty far out there myself, but when a poster puts out a line of highly doubtful material, and then can't be bothered to answer when they're challenged on it, then they're being less than honest, imo. Your statement that, "There is a thread with my theory somewhere on here" reminded me that you never bothered to attempt to defend your previous statements.
Since this thread is about Doris Day, I'll get off my soap box, and let the topic get back on track, but I hope you will deign to back your opinions with something approaching a reasonable possibility. Asking for that on THIS forum is a bit much, I admit, but still... If you don't, what do have to go on? I'm sorry if I'm harsh, but you really p***ed me off.
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Post by philovance on Jul 16, 2006 19:28:49 GMT
Doris Day's last movie was Julie. She did not want to make that movie but her husband Marty Melcher, the producer, forced her to make it. She was extremely worn out at the time and wanted to take time off from the movies. She then had an operation for uterine cancer immediately after Julie, and she probably died immediately thereafter. However, I wouldn't put it past Melcherto have her done away with since he was stealing all the money she made. Since she was such a popular star, Melcher and the studios decided to keep the Doris Day franchise going with a replacement double. Rock Hudson used to call her "Eunice" and said she didn't look like a "Doris". When Marty Melcher died, Eunice found out all her money had been stolen by Melcher and her attorney.
Doris Day had a fabulous voice. All her hit records were prior to her death like Que Sera Sera, Secret Love, Ten Cents a Dance and many others. The songs alleged to be recorded by Doris after her death have nowhere near the range and quality of her earlier songs and the voice used for those recordings does not stretch into high notes anywhere near the earlier recordings.
Once Eunice found out she was broke, she had offers for millions of dollars to appear in Las Vegas. She turned them all down because she knew she could not adequetly perform Doris's earlir hits. Compare her late fifties and sixties recordings to her earlier hits, is like comparing a Billy Pepper Mersyside recording to the Beatles.
Like the fake astronauts who supposedly went to the moon, Eunice (Foris) lives in seclusion with her dogs near Carmel.
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Post by Perplexed on Jul 17, 2006 6:32:23 GMT
Well, Carmel isn't exactly the pits of hell, lol. Rather nice place for a secluded little life, I'd say.
What can one say. Who was this Melcher man? What was his big connection? What gave him such powers and influence?
You know, Rock never ratted ol' Eunice out about her being a substitute, did he?
Of course, she never ratted him out about being a closeted gay actor in Hollywood.
Turn about's fair play, I guess. AIDS ratted him out, in the end. I suspect his illness and death was horribly unpleasant, as all AIDS deaths one hears about are. But I wonder if maybe he was a little bit relieved that he was "out" and beyond caring about hiding that ever again?
Not like Liberace on the watermelon diet, oh, please!.....(loved ya', Lee!)
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Post by beldabeast on Jul 17, 2006 14:38:32 GMT
brydsmaniac wrote...... >>>I own a book that pieces together what happened. The title was "Chappaquidick Revealed"*, and basically what the author says happened, after a sort of forensic evaluation of the evidence, is that initially Ted lost control of the car. He may have been run off the road, but in any case, Mary Jo Kopechne was knocked out during the car accident, which resulted in some dents on the car, but it didn't stop the car from running. This event did not take place at the bridge. Fearing that she was dead, Ted called in some friends, <<<< What do you mean he called in some friends ? Did he have a car phone ? Or did he drive to some friends house with the allegedly dead Mary jo in the car ? Sounds out there to me . The obvious thing to do would be to get her some medical attention as fast as possible . For ONE thing , he is already messing up his time line by all this silliness . Think about it , if he Mary Jo WAS dead as a result of a accident , well so be it . Shit happens . As long as he keeps his time line short making it apparrent it was a innocent accident and he acted to save Mary Jo ( who at this point was in no real danger in the first place - REALLY byrds ! I'M TELLING YOU RIGHT NOW THIS FISH STORY IS TOTAL NONSENSE OF THE FIRST ORDER ) >>and they decided to try to hide what they thought was Mr. Kennedy's responsibility for her death, by sending the car off the bridge with her in it, so that it would appear that she had drowned. <<<< As opposed it appearing that she died of injuries sustained in a minor accident ? Whats the difference ? Now he has appeared to abandon a accident victim leaving her to die . >>>They figured her death would be ruled "accidental death by drowning", and Ted would be off the hook.<<<< Yeah right ! Now all he has done is compound the problem by abandoning Mary Jo and creating a time line of several hours leaving him open to all kinds of speculation about rape , or sexual exploits . This just doesn't make any sense ! Why would he leave her in HIS car ? or at least one known to be under his control. >>>>I know this is horrible, but according to the book, the evidence shows that they followed through with the plan, and, in fact, she ultimately did drown. <<<< You know what ? Whoever made this up must be the same guy that made up that wild tale about Manson planned the Tate murders to start a race war and he , Charles Manson ,was going to take over the United States of America in the after math . And it must also be the same guy that made up the story about John Hinckly shooting Reagan to impress Jodie Foster . ( Don't make no never mind the Hinckly's and the Bush's were close family friends ) See what I mean ? It just doesn't stand up to logic .
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Post by beldabeast on Jul 17, 2006 14:41:48 GMT
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Post by beldabeast on Jul 17, 2006 14:42:53 GMT
To me , This version makes a LOT MORE SENSE !!
Chapter 7 The Control of the Kennedys Threats & Chappaquiddick
Through the years the most common question of all has been: "If there was a conspiracy in the JFK assassination, why didn't Robert Kennedy find out about it and take some action? And if there was a conspiracy in the RFK assassination why haven't Ted Kennedy and Ethel Kennedy done something about it?" No one except the Kennedys know the answers to these questions for sure. However, there are plenty of clues and some other Power Control Group actions to provide the answers to us. First of all, thanks to Jackie Kennedy Onassis' butler in Athens, Greece, Christain Cafarakis, we know why Jackie did nothing after her husband's death. In a book published in 1972, Cafarakis tells about an investigation Jackie had conducted by a famous New York City detective agency into the assassination of JFK in 1964 and 1965.[1] It was financed by Aristotle Onassis and resulted in a report in the spring of 1965 telling who the four gunmen were and who was behind them. Jackie planned to give the report to LBJ but was stopped by a threat from the Power Control Group to kill her and her children. Ted, Bobby and other family members knew about the report and the threat. The second clue is Chappaquiddick. A careful examination of the real evidence in this event shows that Ted Kennedy was framed in the killing of Mary Joe Kopechne and then his life and his children's lives threatened if he ever told the truth about what happened. The facts in the case and the conclusions that can be drawn from them are contained in a book by Boston researcher Robert Cutler.[2] The third clue is Ted's withdrawal from the presidential race in November 1975. It is a fact that all of his and Robert's children were being protected by the Secret Service for five days in November 1975. A threat had been made against the children's lives unless he officially announced his withdrawal. He made the announcement and has stuck to it ever since. The Secret Service protection ended the day after he made the announcement. It does not seem likely that Senator Kennedy would withdraw from the race because of a threat from a lone nut or from some obscure group. He remembers the 1965 threat and Chappaquiddick very well. He knows about the Power Control Group and he knows their enormous capability. He knows what they did to his brothers. He has no choice but to hope that somehow, sometime, the Group will be exposed. But he dares not let them believe he would ever have anything to do with it. Publicly he will always have to support the Warren Commission and continue to state that he will not run for president. Privately he is forced to ask his closest friends and his relatives not to get involved with new investigations, and to help protect his children. Some of them know the truth. Others do not, and are puzzled by his behavior. They go along with it under the assumption that he has good and sufficient reasons not to open the can of worms represented by the conspiracies in his brother's deaths. The Power Control Group faced up to the Ted Kennedy and Kennedy family problem very early. They used the threat against the Kennedy children's lives very effectively between 1963 and 1968 to silence Bobby and the rest of the family and friends who knew the truth. It was necessary to assassinate Bobby in 1968 because with the power of the presidency he could have prevented the Group from harming the children. When Teddy began making moves to run for president in 1969 for the 1972 election, the Group decided to put some real action behind their threats. Killing Teddy in 1969 would have been too much. They selected a new way of eliminating him as a candidate. They framed him with the death of a young girl, and threw sexual overtones in for good measure. Here is what happened according to Cutler's analysis of the evidence. The Group hired several men and at least one woman to be at Chappaquiddick during the weekend of the yacht race and the planned party on the island. They ambushed Ted and Mary Jo after they left the cottage and knocked Ted out with blows to his head and body. They took the unconscious or semi-conscious Kennedy to Martha's Vineyard and deposited him in his hotel room. Another group took Mary Jo to the bridge in Ted's car, force fed her with a knock out potion of alcoholic beverage, placed her in the back seat, and caused the car to accelerate off the side of the bridge into the water. They broke the windows on one side of the car to insure the entry of water; then they watched the car until they were sure Mary Jo would not escape. Mary Jo actually regained consciousness and pushed her way to the top of the car (which was actually the bottom of the car -- it had landed on its roof) and died from asphyxiation. The group with Teddy revived him early in the morning and let him know he had a problem. Possibly they told him that Mary Jo had been kidnapped. They told him his children would be killed if he told anyone what had happened and that he would hear from them. On Chappaquiddick, the other group made contact with Markham and Gargan, Ted's cousin and lawyer. They told both men that Mary Jo was at the bottom of the river and that Ted would have to make up a story about it, not revealing the existence of the group. One of the men resembled Ted and his voice sounded something like Ted's. Markham and Gargan were instructed to go the the Vineyard on the morning ferry, tell Ted where Mary Jo was, and come back to the island to wait for a phone call at a pay station near the ferry on the Chappaquiddick side. The two men did as they were told and Ted found out what had happened to Mary Jo that morning. The three men returned to the pay phone and received their instructions to concoct a story about the "accident" and to report it to the police. The threat against Ted's children was repeated at that time. Ted, Markham and Gargan went right away to police chief Arena's office on the Vineyard where Ted reported the so-called "accident." Almost at the same time scuba diver John Farror was pulling Mary Jo out of the water, since two boys who had gone fishing earlier that morning had spotted the car and reported it. Ted called together a small coterie of friends and advisors including family lawyer Burke Marshall, Robert MacNamara, Ted Sorenson, and others. They met on Squaw Island near the Kennedy compound at Hyannisport for three days. At the end of that time they had manufactured the story which Ted told on TV, and later at the inquest. Bob Cutler calls the story, "the shroud." Even the most cursory examination of the story shows it was full of holes and an impossible explanation of what happened. Ted's claim that he made the wrong turn down the dirt road toward the bridge by mistake is an obvious lie. His claim that he swam the channel back to Martha's Vineyard is not believable. His description of how he got out of the car under water and then dove down to try to rescue Mary Jo is impossible. Markham and Gargan's claims that they kept diving after Mary Jo are also unbelievable. The evidence for the Cutler scenario is substantial. It begins with the marks on the bridge and the position of the car in the water. The marks show that the car was standing still on the bridge and then accelerated off the edge, moving at a much higher speed than Kennedy claimed. The distance the car travelled in the air also confirms this. The damage to the car on two sides and on top plus the damage to the windshield and the rear view mirror stanchion [3] prove that some of the damage had to have been inflicted before the car left the bridge. The blood on the back and on the sleeves of Mary Jo's blouse proves that a wound was inflicted before she left the bridge.[4] The alcohol in her bloodstream proves she was drugged, since all witnesses testified she never drank and did not drink that night. The fact that she was in the back seat when her body was recovered indicates that is where she was when the car hit the water. There was no way she could have dived downward against the inrushing water and moved from the front to the back seat underneath the upside-down seat back. The wounds on the back of Ted Kennedy's skull, those just above his ear and the large bump on the top indicate he was knocked out. His actions at the hotel the next morning show he was not aware of Mary Jo's death until Markham and Gargan arrived. The trip to the pay phone on Chappaquiddick can only be explained by his receiving a call there, not making one. There were plenty of pay phones in or near Ted's hotel if he needed to make a private call. The tides in the channel and the direction in which Ted claimed he swam do not match. In addition it would have been a superhuman feat to have made it across the channel (as proven by several professionals who subsequently tried it). Deputy Sheriff Christopher Look's testimony, coupled with the testimony of Ray LaRosa and two Lyons girls, proves that there were two people in Ted's car with Mary Jo at 12:45 PM. The three party members walking along the road south toward the cottage confirmed the time that Mr. Look drove by. He stopped to ask if they needed a ride. Look says that just prior to that he encountered Ted's car parked facing north at the juncture of the main road and the dirt road. It was on a short extension of the north-south section of the road junction to the north of the "T". He says he saw a man driving, a woman in the seat beside him, and what he thought was another woman lying on the back seat. He remembered a portion of the license plate which matched Ted's car, as did the description of the car. Markham, Gargan and Ted's driver's testimony show that someone they talked to in the pitch black night sounded like Ted and was about his height and build. None of the above evidence was ever explained by Ted or by anyone else at the inquest or at the hearing on the case demanded by district attorney Edward Dinis. No autopsy was ever allowed on Mary Jo's body (her family objected), and Ted made it possible to fly her body home for burial rather quickly. Kennedy haters have seized upon Chappaquiddick to enlarge the sexual image now being promoted of both Ted and Jack Kennedy. Books like "Teddy Bare" take full advantage of the situation. Just which operatives in the Power Control Group at the high levels or the lower levels were on Chappaquiddick Island? No definite evidence has surfaced as yet, except for an indication that there was at least one woman and at least three men, one of whom resembled Ted Kennedy and who sounded like him in the darkness. However, two pieces of testimony in the Watergate hearings provide significant clues as to which of the known JFK case conspirators may have been there. E. Howard Hunt told of a strange trip to Hyannisport to see a local citizen there about the Chappaquiddick incident. Hunt's cover story on this trip was that he was digging up dirt on Ted Kennedy for use in the 1972 campaign. The story does not make much sense if one questions why Hunt would have to wear a disguise, including his famous red wig, and to use a voice-alteration device to make himself sound like someone else. If, on the other hand, Hunt's purpose was to return to the scene of his crime just to make sure that no one who might have seen his group at the bridge or elsewhere would talk, then the disguise and the voice box make sense. The other important testimony came from Tony Ulasewicz who said he was ordered by the Plumbers to fly immediately to Chappaquiddick and dig up dirt on Ted. The only problem Tony has is that, according to his testimony, he arrived early on the morning of the "accident", before the whole incident had been made public. Ulasewicz is the right height and weight to resemble Kennedy and with a CIA voice-alteration device he presumably could be made to sound like him. There is a distinct possibility that Hunt and Tony were there when it happened. The threats by the Power Control Group, the frame-up at Chappaquiddick, and the murders of Jack and Bobby Kennedy cannot have failed to take their toll on all of the Kennedys. Rose, Ted, Jackie, Ethel and the other close family members must be very tired of it all by now. They can certainly not be blamed for hoping it will all go away. Investigations like those proposed by Henry Gonzalez and Thomas Downing only raised the spectre of the powerful Control Group taking revenge by kidnapping some of the seventeen children. It was no wonder that a close Kennedy friend and ally in California, Representative Burton, said that he would oppose the Downing and Gonzalez resolutions unless Ted Kennedy put his stamp of approval on them. While the sympathies of every decent American go out to them, the future of our country and the freedom of the people to control their own destiny through the election process mean more than the lives of all the Kennedys put together. If John Kennedy were alive today he would probably make the same statement. John Dean summed it up when he said to Richard Nixon as recorded on the White House tapes in 1973: "If Teddy knew the bear trap he was walking into at Chappaquiddick. . . ."[5]
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The fabulous Jackie -- Christian Cafarakis -- Productions de Paris -- 1972
You the Jury -- Robert Cutler -- Self Published -- 1974
A rope attached to the stick which held the Oldsmobile throttle wide open caught the drivers rear view mirror and tore it loose so that it was hanging by the rear bolt. There was no other mark on the left side of the car.
A sliver of glass from two broken windows no doubt caused this bleeding since Mary Jo was already face down and unconscious in the rear seat. Since there was no autopsy this clean cut went unnoticed by the embalmers.
On page 121, White House Tapes Paperback Edition, published by New York Times
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Jul 18, 2006 2:27:49 GMT
Fair enough. Many of your observations in reply #38 were also mentioned by the author of the "Chappaquidic Revealed" book. The author makes no claims that Ted's decisions and actions were good ones that night. Both your account and the book point out that Ted didn't drive off the bridge that night, and point out that the car was made to go off the bridge, with MaryJo in it. I don't want to get into a feud about this, but good luck trying to show that Jane Fonda was a Nixon operative, or that the Supreme Court's ruling on Roe vs Wade was somehow a ploy to get Nixon elected. All I'm saying is that if you make an outrageous claim, try to have something to back it up. Certainly the truth can be outrageous. No one ever would have believed that J. Edgar Hoover was a closet transvestite, and had a partly Black heritage, for instance. The whole premise that celebrities are somewhat routinely replaced is outrageous as well. But if Jane Fonda was a Nixon operative then I'm the Pope. The current Jane Fonda may have been, of course.... ;D And now, I simply must ask, Is Doris the "Egg Woman"?
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Post by beldabeast on Jul 21, 2006 1:32:42 GMT
We will deal with the other topics another time but the official story and the ones in that book are in no way plausible . Put yourself in Ted's place . John and Bobby had just been murdered you you are in the loop on the real story and you mean to tell me you are going to put a attractive girl in your car and go driving down a dark country road ALONE ??!! !!!!! ??!!!!! As if that isn't ENOUGH , he supposedly has a minor one car accident that results in no body damage to the car and no discernible physical trauma to the girl and Ted decides she is dead and goes and gets two friends and they decide to put her under water ? Then wait some 8 hours to report the accident IN THE HOPES OF NOT MAKING IT LOOK SO BAD ?!!!! !! We must not forget this fantasy took place while the moon mission was supposedly in route to the moon in the sky ( called the moon ) . I say these two events were staged concurrently to divide attention away from each other . Furthermore I also state the subsequent murders of the occupants of the Tate house was staged ( in part )to divert attention away from the moon shot . That stunt served other purposes of course . The idea is to kill as many birds with one stone as you can . When I watch the news I never sit passively but I iterrogate the news with a flashlight in the talking heads face and if I were there personally he or she would have two black eyes and be bleeding profusely
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Jul 21, 2006 17:09:14 GMT
Put yourself in Ted's place . John and Bobby had just been murdered you you are in the loop on the real story and you mean to tell me you are going to put a attractive girl in your car and go driving down a dark country road ALONE ??!! !!!!! ??!!!!! Today and yesterday were the anniversary of the Chappaquidic event, so a moment of silence.......OK, as for your quote: She was a member of his staff. He was driving around the area of the Kennedy "summer playground". He probably wasn't the least bit concerned. Are you afraid to move around in your hometown?"he supposedly has a minor one car accident that results in no body damage to the car and no discernible physical trauma to the girl and Ted decides she is dead and goes and gets two friends and they decide to put her under water ?" According to the book there was body damage to the car (fender-bender type stuff), and she was alledgedly knocked out cold, perhaps having hit her head on the dashboard or something. Seatbelts weren't widely used at that time. In fact, most cars didn't have them. If Ted thought she had been killed, he would naturally have fear for his political life. I wasn't there, so I can't account for his subsequent behavior."We must not forget this fantasy took place while the moon mission was supposedly in route to the moon in the sky ( called the moon ) ." What?
"I say these two events were staged concurrently to divide attention away from each other . Furthermore I also state the subsequent murders of the occupants of the Tate house was staged ( in part ) to divert attention away from the moon shot .I'm sorry, but the moon shot was the biggest news item of all time at that point. (Phony or not.) Whatever news coverage the Tate murders got paled in comparison."The idea is to kill as many birds with one stone as you can." What was accomplished, in your opinion? I don't understand what you're talking about."When I watch the news I never sit passively but I iterrogate the news with a flashlight in the talking heads face and if I were there personally he or she would have two black eyes and be bleeding profusely." Have you ever thought you might be over-reacting just a little bit? Peace be to you, MaryJo.
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Post by beldabeast on Jul 22, 2006 1:26:18 GMT
I must run for now but people don't lose consciencous for extended periods of time in car accidents without major obvious injuries . I have NEVER heard of that happening . Ted doesn't even check for a pulse ? In all that time whiile he is rounding up his friends the body wouldnt begin to cool ?
The Tate murders were getting more attention when they happened that the moon shot still was half a month later .
The only damage to the car was a broken side window , a dented hood from impact with the water and a shorn mirror that had a rope of somesuch attached .
The sherriff stated Ted didnt look like someone who had been in a major accident . Driving off a bridge and landing upside down IS a major accident .
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Post by Sun King™ on Jul 22, 2006 13:46:52 GMT
Where'd you get that Doris Day picture? It doesn't look like an old enough picture. I mean, she died in about 1956. Did they have pictures that good then? Clear as the Sun.... it's just written on images..... Doris Day's last movie was Julie. She did not want to make that movie but her husband Marty Melcher, the producer, forced her to make it. She was extremely worn out at the time and wanted to take time off from the movies. She then had an operation for uterine cancer immediately after Julie, and she probably died immediately thereafter. However, I wouldn't put it past Melcherto have her done away with since he was stealing all the money she made. Since she was such a popular star, Melcher and the studios decided to keep the Doris Day franchise going with a replacement double. Rock Hudson used to call her "Eunice" and said she didn't look like a "Doris". When Marty Melcher died, Eunice found out all her money had been stolen by Melcher and her attorney. Doris Day had a fabulous voice. All her hit records were prior to her death like Que Sera Sera, Secret Love, Ten Cents a Dance and many others. The songs alleged to be recorded by Doris after her death have nowhere near the range and quality of her earlier songs and the voice used for those recordings does not stretch into high notes anywhere near the earlier recordings. Once Eunice found out she was broke, she had offers for millions of dollars to appear in Las Vegas. She turned them all down because she knew she could not adequetly perform Doris's earlir hits. Compare her late fifties and sixties recordings to her earlier hits, is like comparing a Billy Pepper Mersyside recording to the Beatles. Like the fake astronauts who supposedly went to the moon, Eunice (Foris) lives in seclusion with her dogs near Carmel. and.... last night on RAI italian TV network Lina Wertmuller (a famous italian director) told that Faye Dunaway died for AIDS.....
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Post by sinbad on Jul 22, 2006 14:41:39 GMT
And now, I simply must ask, Is Doris the "Egg Woman"? Both pics are of the same woman, the fake Doris.
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Post by Perplexed on Jul 22, 2006 18:20:36 GMT
And now, I simply must ask, Is Doris the "Egg Woman"? Both pics are of the same woman, the fake Doris. I concur. Well, I'd like to say, "the other Doris", because this is the one I knew growing up.
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Post by Edman on May 4, 2007 19:30:26 GMT
Well I have been a vegetarian for a few years for health reasons. And I just discovered that the following replacments are Vegetarians
Paul McCartney B.B. King Doris Day Matt Busby (was he's dead now)
How can this be?
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Post by Edman on May 4, 2007 23:35:14 GMT
Doris Day "The Way We Were" You can see two different people all thru this. The original doris had bigger teeth or even buck teeth. She was all mouth. The later Doris teeth are staight accross the top but small. www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRf3IGziA9g
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