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Post by melloyellow on Sept 27, 2005 21:55:09 GMT
I mean, when one hears of a famous persons murder, it is accompanied by SOME kind of media. Be it video, audio, several eyewitnesses, or something. I mean, there is no autopsy report for lennons body.
Here is a question, WHO SAW MARK DAVID CHAPMAN SHOOT LENNON? Tell me? Someone besides "the doorman" or "yoko" That is nothing, a homeless bum could get shot and more people would see it. I mean, i would like some exact times, when did the doctors see the body, when was it cremated, who all saw the body, etc.
The whole thing just seems...weird to say the least. I find it quite odd that after lennons release of Mind Games in 73 he "ran away from" yoko to california for a year. Then almost magically, they get back together in 74 or 75.
Then all of a sudden POOF, lennon has quit making music. For 5 years he becomes a recluse. Then he reemerges...makes a new album.....and gets shot.
I...dont understand yoko. I mean this is all so confusing my brain would rather give up and buy into the "official story" "CRAZED MADMAN SHOOTS LENNON BUT HARDLY NO ONE SEES IT BUT THATS ALRIGHT!"
Death pictures can be faked. Then we hear things like "i shot john lennon" when playing "kiss kiss kiss" backwards. Which is either an unheard of coincidence. Or Yoko is just a sick ****er.
I seriously have a tremendous amount of angst built up over all this. The inability to find out the truth, and the fact that the truth is smothered in lies gives me that feeling of helplesness, that feeling where you just sit back and stop caring because there is nothing you can do about it anyway.
An unbelievable amount of sadness wells up when I think about John's death. No, I dont believe he was an evil part of some grand conspiracy. If anything he was the one guy who was fighting on our side.
No offense to some PIDders but I listened to that radio thing with mad john. And it is unbelievable at how...paranoid those people are. They believe that EVERYTHING is evil, that every famous band, movie, book, EVERTHING is part of a gargantuan illuminati plot to "mind control" the world. I am sorry, but that is stupid. Some conspiracies exist, but dont buy into all of them because you will become a paranoid looney.
I get harrassed, made fun of, and stereotyped for wearing my "Give Peace A Chance" T-shirt at school. You want a conspiracy? How about this. The government needed lennon out of the way because he spread a message contrary to their own. Todays shallow angsty teen music spreads nothing but hate and violence and supposedly makes you look cool. It causes people to hate peace because it is "uncool". Thats music brainwashing. And that is NOT what lennon did.
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Post by helterskelter on Sept 27, 2005 22:10:02 GMT
Oh wow melloyellow that was just...amazing...seriously I'm not being sarcastic that was one of the best posts I've ever read. And on those last 3 paragraphs, I feel exactly the same way as you do.
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Post by plastic paul on Sept 28, 2005 1:24:07 GMT
Yeh, mad john makes some good points but i don't buy into all that "everything's evil" thing.
That radio show actually sent shivers down my spine at some points (or at least put me on edge) and i don't know why really, the main bit i can remember that did this was the "Jack Nicholson - EVIl!!!", it might just be coz i was listening on headphones, but seriously, woah i don't know what to make of it!
Anyway to get back on topic, i believe that there are loads of unanswered questions about John's death, to be fair though, i think it's part and parcel of a tragic, untimely death of any superstar, not just John.
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Post by ReallyReallyDead on Sept 28, 2005 10:55:07 GMT
 That was an awesome post!!! Here are my comments: No offense to some PIDders but I listened to that radio thing with mad john. And it is unbelievable at how...paranoid those people are. They believe that EVERYTHING is evil, that every famous band, movie, book, EVERTHING is part of a gargantuan illuminati plot to "mind control" the world. I am sorry, but that is stupid. Some conspiracies exist, but dont buy into all of them because you will become a paranoid looney. You tell 'em! ;D whoa, you're right! *goes and buys a "give peace a chance" tshirt* ;D
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Post by abbey on Sept 28, 2005 19:27:15 GMT
Yucko is and was pure evil. She kept John doped and dazed so she could control everything.......his money! When Johnny went "Cold Turkey" and started sobering up, he begin to realize the truth of things....things like her having him sign some paper which, without John's knowledge, wrote Julian out of his will. John hadn't paid proper attention. She said "sign" and he did. Before he could right the terrible wrong done to Julian, she had him killed.
See reference to the Lennon Musical........she acted like Sean was John only son. Therefore, she didn't want Julian to be able to claim anything of Johnny's. In the end, Julian had to beg for some much as a pittance from Yucko!!!!!
She is a class one b*tch!!!!!!
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Post by helterskelter on Sept 28, 2005 20:56:31 GMT
But how do you know all this SMA?? How do you know that Yoko was/is "pure evil". How do you know that she kept John "doped and dazed"? I do think that she can be mean somethines, for instance when she wouldn't give Julian anything, but to call her "pure evil" well that's going a bit far isn't it? I don't know if whether or not Yoko had John killed is true or not...but I do think that they loved each other. John was a very smart man. He wouldn't have let Yoko control him...he had such a free spirit...it's impossible to control someone like John.
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Post by andrewexelor on Sept 28, 2005 21:51:15 GMT
yeah, and i bet "iam the walrus" was made by a clean, harvard student, right?
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Post by helterskelter on Sept 28, 2005 22:22:25 GMT
Sorry but I don't get what your trying to say
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Post by plastic paul on Sept 28, 2005 23:27:35 GMT
Here Here to your previous post HS, and i don't get what andrewexelor is saying either!!! (i think i get what he's saying but seems a bit trollish so i'll give him the benefit of the doubt)
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Post by helterskelter on Sept 28, 2005 23:56:18 GMT
LoL thanks plastic paul. andrewexelor, can you explain what you were trying to say because I still don't quite understand it...
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Post by melloyellow on Sept 29, 2005 2:23:44 GMT
I am wondering, what did John see in Yoko? It wasnt looks, singing abilities, or money.
I hear John was a hitter, he abused women. Maybe sticking himself with someone like yoko was Johns form of a sort of "self punishment", for example, If I where john....
*steps into johns mind*
The only way for me to atone for my crimes against women would be for me to live with one of the most difficult women I can find, and love her no matter what.
*steps out of johns mind*
Honestly... Yoko cant sing, she is not pretty, she is just weird. And another thing, ok sean says it was the CIA, and john said "if anything happens to yoko and me, it was not an accident"
Ok, the question is, why isnt yoko telling it all? Why isnt yoko giving exact details or uncovering the mysteries that john would have wanted her too?
Why wasnt yoko shot? Was she not his partner in crime? Did the government not want her out of the picture?
Finally, why does yoko still live there in the dakota?
IMO I think that yoko may HAVE loved john, but the government bought her out.
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Post by plastic paul on Sept 29, 2005 10:16:19 GMT
Thats quite possible, another great post
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Post by johnny on Oct 9, 2005 1:12:12 GMT
am wondering, what did John see in Yoko? It wasnt looks, singing abilities, or money.
Well I did have bad eye sight.....blind as bat without me glasses. She sang like a cat being hit by a Mini......as for her abilities....she could spend my money
I hear John was a hitter, he abused women. Maybe sticking himself with someone like yoko was Johns form of a sort of "self punishment", for example, If I where john....
*steps into johns mind*
You don't want to step into my mind.....it is too confusing the mere mortals
The only way for me to atone for my crimes against women would be for me to live with one of the most difficult women I can find, and love her no matter what.
I'm not proud of my hitting women......the bird I should have married I met after I was dead.
*steps out of johns mind*
Please do its getting crowded in here
Honestly... Yoko cant sing, she is not pretty, she is just weird. And another thing, ok sean says it was the CIA, and john said "if anything happens to yoko and me, it was not an accident"
You're right it wasn't an accident, but I was referring to meself not monkey girl Ask George......oh, that's right, he dead, too. At least I am with my best mates
Ok, the question is, why isnt yoko telling it all? Why isnt yoko giving exact details or uncovering the mysteries that john would have wanted her too?
Because Yucko was in on it from the beginning. She practiced black magic and MDC was easy to control because of his disabilities
Why wasnt yoko shot? Was she not his partner in crime? Did the government not want her out of the picture?
Why wasn't Junko shot? Well, because she was the shooter!!!! MDC was a patsy.....yeah, he got off a couple of shots and did hit me, but my loving wifey was the one who killed me. Any more questions, mate
Finally, why does yoko still live there in the dakota?
Because she is proud that she got away with murder and MDC took the full blame......smart people have wondered why no bullets hit her
IMO I think that yoko may HAVE loved john, but the government bought her out.
Yucko love my money....my fame...my name , not me!
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Post by plastic paul on Oct 9, 2005 23:27:39 GMT
Yes but john repeatedly said he loved her, i know yoko may have had some sort of control over him but they obviously had a bond, i don't think anyone who has ever been in love can say "Oh i hate her" or "I was only brainwashed into loving her", anyone who has ever known love, knows love.
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Post by johnny on Oct 10, 2005 0:22:49 GMT
It is not the same thing, PlasticPaul. She used black magic and left her essence in the house where Cyn and I lived.....Yucko destroyed my life completely and totally. I lost a good woman and got a bad woman.
I found love a little late, but better late than never, as they say, right? With Cyn I didn't realize what I had until it was too late...........
Yucko was pure evil.
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Post by helterskelter on Oct 10, 2005 21:55:04 GMT
She used "black magic"? Nice try. I don't think I believe that, sorry.
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Post by plastic paul on Oct 10, 2005 22:06:15 GMT
So johnny i'm dying to know what really happened with brian?
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Post by beldabeast on Oct 11, 2005 14:21:43 GMT
Great post !
Are you in high school or college ?
Impressive even if its college.
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Post by abbey on Oct 12, 2005 19:53:46 GMT
She used "black magic"? Nice try. I don't think I believe that, sorry. It may be hard to believe in our high tech world but she honestly did use magic. Like it was said, why would John want someone like that? She had no talent; she wasn't even really an artist; and her looks would scare a scarecrow. Why would he want anything to do with her unless there was something he couldn't control going on. None of The Beatles believed in any black magic, voodoo, or any occult things....... Besides, she struck when John was at his lowest emotionally. His best friend had just been murdered and he was literally in a daze. Yoko's heart is as black as ebony and as hard as a diamond |
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Post by helterskelter on Oct 12, 2005 22:21:12 GMT
Oh please! Would you grow up SMA? "Her looks would scare a scarecrow"?? Do you think that's funny?! Do you have any idea what it's like to be called ugly? I do, and I can tell you, it really hurts. Please don't go around saying these stupid and childish comments. It's just so juvenile, so grow up and stop acting your shoe size.
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Post by Forum Manager on Oct 12, 2005 22:58:57 GMT
Oh please! Would you grow up SMA? "Her looks would scare a scarecrow"?? Do you think that's funny?! Do you have any idea what it's like to be called ugly? I do, and I can tell you, it really hurts. Please don't go around saying these stupid and childish comments. It's just so juvenile, so grow up and stop acting your shoe size. That should no longer be a problem here...SMA is not welcome in this forum anymore  |
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Post by defhermit on Oct 13, 2005 0:43:53 GMT
Oh please! Would you grow up SMA? "Her looks would scare a scarecrow"?? Do you think that's funny?! Do you have any idea what it's like to be called ugly? I do, and I can tell you, it really hurts. Please don't go around saying these stupid and childish comments. It's just so juvenile, so grow up and stop acting your shoe size. That should no longer be a problem here...SMA is not welcome in this forum anymore really? why couldn't we get that to happen when she was bombarding us with Faul's pics with his naked child in his lap, claiming that it proved he molests children? |
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Post by helterskelter on Oct 13, 2005 1:09:40 GMT
Oh yeah. I remember that. Only I wasn't a member of this forum of that time. But I remember reading the posts and stuff.
Anyway I'm glad to see that johnny was banned. Or at least I think he is. When it says "banned" under his username, I'm assuming that means he was, well, banned.
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Post by defhermit on Oct 13, 2005 2:18:09 GMT
johnny being banned, I'm not surprised, and quite happy...
SMA? I am surprised. SMA has been posting here forever and even though I didn't agree with most of the things she posted, I have to appreciate her level of interest. Of course, it seems that she was responsible for or WAS johnny, so I can understand any kind of reaction... hey it ain't my forum...
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Post by plastic paul on Oct 13, 2005 12:01:18 GMT
Well i wasn't expecting that!
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That was an awesome post!!! Here are my comments:
