What's the Real Motive of John Lennons Death

[daveyo]

Hi Folks:

It seems so unreal that he is dead yet it is a fact that he is dead and was shot to death, taking 4 bullets in the back on the left side.

Here are the players involved during this fateful evening. Joe Perdomo the doorman, Yoko Ono, David Chapman, the deskclerk in the office lobby.

In my opinion it would seem to me that David Chapman really did not have a solid motive to kill John Lennon, and if so I don't think it links up. The desk clerk certainly really did not give a darn but then again who would? Joe was a security guard and a former CIA trained agent doing the Cuban shindig. Last but not the least of course Yoko Ono herself.

Now when one simply looks at all the above, first question is who would really have the actual motive and reason to want to kill John Lennon. One of those people on this list is a trained person who knows how to use guns courtesy of the CIA. This same person also would not be firing wildly leaving bullets in the walls around that entrance area. My bet is if it was Joe the doorman, he would only need to spend just one bullet and put it in the back of the head of John in an instant. This pretty much eliminates the doorman because he will not pop and empty out the gun of its bullets. Interesting to note this place did not have any security camera's which is very odd for a building holding and having some well known people such as celebrities etc, to ensure their protection.

Anyway back to the point and the question. Who and which of these people had the real motive to kill John. I have a suspect in mind and its not David Chapman either as he was verified to be on the right side of John so he could not have killed him. The desk clerk is highly unlikely. This only leaves one person left and that is Yoko Ono!!!!!!

Yoko would have many reasons and would have many a motive to want to kill John. John Lennon was contemplating to file for a divorce, and Yoko probably knew it was coming. She also knew he was about to put out a new Album and she was not made aware of it until the last minute and had no authority to change the things John was about to tell the world of what happened to the Real Paul McCartney via the lyrics. She also would stand to lose not only her face but the millions behind all of John's works being a musician. A divorce also would knock her out of being a beneficiary to any of John's personal and business agenda's. Also a person like Yoko would be very much a type of person to empty out the gun and firing all the bullets to make sure John indeed can die.

Now the position of Yoko and of the exact placement comes into play here, on that fateful night in question. Joe the doorman and Yoko probably had a meeting prior and the plans were set regarding their stories. In comes David Chapman, and its almost automatic that Joe being trained as a former CIA agent set Chapman up to take the fall. So after the shooting takes place Joe must have spoken to Yoko on getting the story straight and both supported each others version of the events. Whats so very strange here the driver of the car said that Yoko got out last from the vehicle and John was already way ahead of her, and how is it possible that she can be way ahead of John when he got shot. """""Dig that statement of their version which I think is an outright lie."""""" I think the driver of the car told the truth, but the police thought otherwise based on Joe's and Yoko's statements.

Interesting to say even the police officer who went to Chapman did not think he was the killer. He thought it was either Joe or Yoko, but Joe convinced him otherwise.

This is where we stand today. What was the real motive behind John being killed? It was never truly addressed believe it or not.

Anybody care to comment, and I would like to see your version and opinions.

Daveyo

[Paul Bearer]

Why did Chapman play along and confess? That's what I'd like to know.

[daveyo]

I believe he had a public defender at the time and its easy for them to convince suspects to plea guilty and take the easy route out. It was later on that a high profile expert attorney decided to investigate the case, and viola, he had the resources to get ballistics done and also some experts to investigate the scene of the shooting. He was able to uncover a lot of things that should have been used and probably would have cleared Chapman, but at the time Chapman was destitute, and without funds so he had a lousey attorney, and of course Yoko too put the pressure on Chapman to plea guilty.

The real big problem now is since he pled guilty it is extremely very hard to get the case re-opened and to seek a new hearing to try to get the guilty plea withdrawn based on newly discovered evidence that might exonerate Chapman. Such attorney costs lots of money. There is one lawyer that I know could get Chapman freed, and he did represent Simpson and got the police officer caught on perjury charges. His fee is both arms and both legs and some beyond that. The name of this attorney is F. Lee Bailey

The only thing I do know, is when you plea guilty you waive your rights to a jury trial and or a trial by the Judge. Once that is waived and given up you pretty much slam the door upon yourself and can only appeal based on what the Prosecution presents as actual facts. These actual facts can and usually are always fudged to make you look really bad pertaining to the offense and they also can attack your character and demeanor too. In other words its wide open for the Prosecution attorney to rip you apart, and you cannot get it stopped because its their actual facts due to you pleading guilty.

The other thing about pleading guilty, is you have a chance to get a reduced sentence and the Judge might go easy on you. If you take it to a full trial and is found guilty, most Judges throw the book at you and you get really screwed. However, here is the side benefit, since you did not plea guilty so you can practically appeal just about everything involved in that trial and it can go all the way to the US Supreme Court.

The key to winning if you are ever arrested is first keep your mouth shut to the police and any jail people even inmates. Secondly if you know they don't have much evidence to prove you guilty, then force them to trial and make them prove you are guilty. Third speak only to your attorney and the rest ride the wave. Fourth, never take the defense during the trial, take the offense and attack the states evidence and position in the court. Don't sit back. Attack the prosecution case against you and you have a very good chance of being found not guilty.

The problem with most people is they don't attack the prosecution good enough and they usually let it ride. Bad mistake and this might cost you your not guilty verdict. The smart criminals always attack the state, and they keep their mouths shut while in custody and rarely are they ever convicted. The way things are today with their technology it is now harder to avoid getting caught much less harder to attack the prosecutor because they have better tools to nail you to the cross. Example DNA which is now used a lot. All and any DNA is a dead ringer and can get you convicted if it is yours.

It would be interesting to find out who's DNA is on the shell casings that came out from that gun. Someone had to put the bullets in so there is your DNA answer. All they need to do then is get samples from Yoko and Joe and of course Chapman. They can examine it and if any one of the three matches BINGO you got your suspect cold turkey. And that one is the killer!!!

Daveyo

[Paul Bearer]

Wasn't Chapman supposed to be a Christian and he thought Jesus had told him to kill him or somesuch? And what's with "The Catcher In The Rye" in his pocket? Was that planted?

[daveyo]

Hi Paul

Ahhh, good questions but never the less I do believe this is what I recall, That Catcher in the Rye if I remember right, is the same book that John Lennon signed his signature on when Chapman asked him for an autograph during an early encounter that same day he was killed.

The other thing about this Jesus cuckooo story was dreamed up by the defense attorney in the hopes he can get a guilty but insane verdict. However that was all dropped when Chapman instead was convinced to take the plea of guilty and hope for parole later on.

The attorney handling the case was like a X rated attorney so flimsy even I or you can win a case against him.

The evidence now that is still preserved and the additional evidence also found by that investigating attorney who just wanted to find out just exactly what happened etc., and wow, when you add it all up now you can pretty much get the whole picture of just exactly what took place. Taking all the missing pieces and then take all the pieces that was preserved and bingo.

I still say if they can actually do the DNA on the shell casings I am pretty sure it will lead you straight to the suspect.

We do know that Chapman came from Hawaii as it does show he flew to New York from the passenger list that is still preserved from that time. Also during this period of time the airlines did not have the kind of security that we see today. It was pretty much easy come and easy go, families can go with the person leaving right up to departure at the gate and even wave goodbye. Also in Miami, you can actually go up to the roof and watch the planes leave and come in without any sound barriers etc. Everything I just said here those days are now gone forever. I think some of the Beatles films show just what I am talking about. All the security to the airports began late in the 90's and I know it was after 1995.

The reason why I said this part is because this does show the high potential of Chapman bringing in a gun all the way from Hawaii. However it appears that he did not bring such weapon to New York. It turns out the gun was from the New York area as the tracing indicates to a gun shop in New York, then sold to someone and that weapon was reported stolen. Now that stolen weapon was used to kill John. You can easily check that part out without a problem. So since Chapman was a visitor to New York I don't think he had street sense or even knew anybody in New York on a personal basis, to inquire to some gangs to obtain a weapon with his meager amount of money he had with him.

In comparing Yoko and Joe Perdomo they had plenty of connections to get anything they want so to speak. Look at how Michael Jackson was able to obtain Propofol and have it inside his home in L.A!!!! Propofol is only supposed to be sold to hospitals, yet he was able to get it.

It was not hard at all to track down where John Lennon lived in New York. His address stuck out like a sore thumb to just about everybody.

However after he was killed, the rest of the Beatles then stepped up their security to their residences to prevent such happening to them. Yet George Harrison had one of the tightest security perimeters around his house ( as it was reported) the bozo was still able to breach it and even get inside his house to stab him. John Lennon on the other hand had NONE and was virtually wide open meaning dead sure easy target. In fact John Lennon even predicted to the media that he would be shot someday. Now why would he say that unless he knew something that the media was not aware of.

On a recent tour by the Faul when he was in New York, I still see even the Faul had no security at all whatsoever. The media came upon him like cockroaches and found him virtually without any security and such was filmed!!!! I wonder if this Faul even bothered to put on a bullet proof vest just as a precaution.

You would think that such a person who is high profile and so well known, should at least have some security to guard and protect him until he is safely secured in whatever they are at be it home or office etc.

In any rate still even having the book or this Jesus idea, these two do not give reason of the motive to kill John. What we are looking for is the REAL MOTIVE of why John was killed and who would have that kind of motive to Kill him. Out of the players involved on that fateful day one of them had the true motive to kill John. Simple as that and now the question is WHO?

Out of all the players involved who would have the best opportune motive? I doubt the deskclerk, and I doubt it being Chapman as he probably was at the wrong place at the wrong time and it does happen to many people. This leaves you only two others yet unaccounted for to this day. Yoko or Joe. It was very very smart of them to pass the buck and the attention towards Chapman. Easy as pie.

Here is one very nice question > Why would Chapman be sitting on the curb on the other side of the street opposite of the place where John was shot? I mean sitting there. It would seem to me if a person shot somebody they would high tail it clear away from the scene and run to hide someplace and vamoosaaa out of there quick. Not Chapman, just sitting there. Very very strange indeed. Its very much possible he was in SHOCK seeing just what happened, and simply sat down trying to make sense out of it all. He just gotten an autograph from John just hours earlier, so why not he kill him then at that time ehhh. Lets sort this out OK.

Chapman had a motive Mr. Bearer, and I believe its getting the autograph from John. That much he did and accomplished it.

[daveyo]

Incidently that book that Chapman has that is still secured, has the last known autograph of John Lennon and its worth mega bucks today!!!!!!! at any aution block if it is ever released back to Chapman. He is entitled to get his possessions back upon his release. When he comes out of prison he is coming out a VERY WEALTHY MAN.

[Paul Bearer]

Perhaps it is Mr. Chapman's payment for taking the faul...er I mean fall.

[daveyo]

Hmmmmm, I see what your saying, but still its NOT RIGHT to be doing time for something you never did. Why would you want to serve the time for someone else and give up your freedom? I wouldn't and I don't think anybody else will either.

That is why when you examine the assassination scene in its entirety, it has so many holes that cannot be explained logically by Joe and Yoko. If you read their statements as they gave, you would become very suspicious too. It simply does not add up 2+2.

The question is now, who wants to straighten out this case and re-examine it??? To do this requires experts and also court orders etc, and then you need a super slueth lawyer who is very smart and is like a Perry Mason or Madlock or like F. Lee Bailey to defend this person. Yes that autograph can buy Chapmans freedom if one wants to look at it that way. I would bet the starting asking price for that exclusive last known autograph by John Lennon would be 5 million or more. And then the race is on and it can reach maybe 10 million quite quickly because its the one and only last autograph that exists on this entire planet.

Assuming that this happens, the lawyer will get 33% his fee cut from that auction sale and then work to free Chapman.

When this kind of shindig goes down, what do you think Yoko is going to do? You can bet she is going to try to bump Chapman off this planet at all costs very discreetly before his case ever gets to actual trial cause she knows she will get pinned on the crime. She would have more of a motive and the means to stop Chapman and if she gets nailed she will lose everything she got being the rightful heir to John's fortune. It will then fall on Seans lap. As of Joe Perdomo if still alive will also want to make sure Chapman is silenced too.

This thing can get really big and nasty and all it takes is just one person to get the wheels started. Imagine the new headlines saying Yoko Confesses to Murdering Lennon in Court!!!!

Daveyo

[Paul Bearer]

I'd never heard of F. Lee Bailey so looked him up and guess what I found:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F._Lee_Bailey

"Paul is Dead"
Bailey was featured in a RKO television special, in which he conducted a mock trial, examining various expert "witnesses" on the subject of the Paul is Dead rumor. One of the experts was Fred LaBour, whose article in the Michigan Daily had been instrumental in the spread of the urban legend. LaBour told Bailey during a pre-show meeting that he had made the whole thing up. Bailey responded, "Well, we have an hour of television to do. You're going to have to go along with this." The program aired locally in New York City on November 30, 1969, and was never re-aired.

Not completely on-topic for this thread but I thought it was interesting.

[daveyo]

Wow, I am amazed that he did time at the Fed Pen for contempt > hahahahahahahahaha. Yet then again this Fred Labour does not realize that it is very true that the Real Paul is dead, and if F. Lee Bailey ever found out about this site, and saw the truth be told as it is here, it will blow his mind and he will indeed get a chance to see all this evidence and then blast Fred to pieces. hahahahahahahha. Not to mention I would bet that if Bailey ever realizes that Chapman is holding the last known autograph of John Lennon, worth super mega bucks, yep he will represent Chapman in a instant knowing he can get paid nice and peachy with the sale of that autograph!!!!!! hahahahahahah, and he did that with the stocks in Florida which got him his disbarment, but at the same time he reaped in a windfall of a nice fee for his services worth millions.

To have this guy as you can see it, will cost you both arms and both legs and he is not cheap either. As to the Patty Hearst case, that one was all screwed up because the Government kept dodging all his bullets which would have won a acquital for the woman. Also he got a lot of bad information which set him back a lot.

Yea he was the one who got Simpson out of a tight box, but not anymore. He will not represent him again because I think Bailey knows he is guilty as a SOB. I think someone shrunk the gloves so it not fit him and you can guess who might have been paid off to do it too. The point is, it was done so professionally that even Marcia Clark had no inkling that she was being set up to lose that case. I saw the transcripts and the questions coming from her was so damn stupid even a 2 year old could see right thru her. Bailey was so intent to destroy Fuhrman he succeeded and ever since that man has had nothing but nightmares and a hard life. He is having trouble getting good jobs due to his sic reputation!!!!

I would think if anybody could get Chapman out of his mess it would be Bailey of all people. And I also will toss in this that I would bet that Bailey more likely will confuse the heck out of Yoko so well, he can get Yoko to admit on the stand that she killed Lennon!!!!

Incidently Mr Bearer, we do understand that this Joe Perdomo was assigned to a job as the doorman at the place where Lennon lived. Now ask yourself this WHERE is the frickin door??

The scene and the pics of this place where he got shot, IS WIDE OPEN FROM END TO END, and its a walkway!!!!!! One side is out to the main street and the other side is the parking space for the residents. There is only a steel gate and that is open most of the time. So how come he got the job title as the doorman and be security at the same frickin time. Last but not the least after this incident and after Chappie got convicted, Joe Perdomo left and quit the job and disappeared ever since. Go figure. No cameras like a CCTV in that place and no good lighting either, and its suppose to hold well known people. This isn't security, its bullshit, and anyone who thinks they have security here they better think again. In fact you can go right up to the elevator and then bam be inside that apartment building doing anything you want to do. Those pics says it all from what I saw. Sheeeeeeeh, it doesn't take a brain to figure all this out.

It is very much possible now they do have a CCTV and better lighting after John got shot to death there. Then again I don't know.

If they would have had a CCTV active at that time, ahhhhhh, you can bet the killer would be seen shooting John. As a matter of Fact, Chapman has a legal avenue here to sue the apartment owner for not providing the proper security at the time John was shot which resulted him getting pinned for the crime. Ah, another one for F. Lee Bailey to pursue.

heheheheheheheheeeeeeeee, now you can see how many holes there are involving Lennons assassination, and even I not being a lawyer is already ripping it apart to shreds. Think what Bailey can do with what we just have here!!!!!!

I just cannot understand why the SOB pled guilty!!!!! The state would have had a hell of a hard time just trying to get him convicted and their case is so weak evidence wise as it comes right down to it, which is not enough to overcome the burden of proof needed to secure a conviction. Everything favors Chapman by a mile wide. When the jurors see what that investigator found out, and everything I have mentioned here, there is more than just reasonable doubt which means they will find Chapman NOT GUILTY. Any doubt by any juror is all that is needed for a acquital.

Man, Chapman doing time for a crime he did not commit, is really sick as it comes.

Still the question remains who out of the 4 known players had the motive to kill John Lennon??!!!!

Daveyo

[Paul Bearer]

Perhaps Chapman had low esteem issues and it was easy to persuade him to feel so overwhelmed by the whole thing and think that no one would believe he was innocent anyway so he could be convinced to plead guilty on an insanity plea. But it was a set up and it didn't work.

[daveyo]

Hi Mr. Bearer

Hmmmm, your answer is quite reasonable and very much a good possibility. On your last sentence can you clairify it a bit better. A set up and it didn't work?? You lost me on that part.

Yes its very easy to convince someone that they are going down and to fight it will make matters worse, and I am sure they also said that they got the statements from Yoko and Joe (which they knew was not enough but did not have the courtesy to tell him), and he literally fell for it lock stock and barrel, thinking no one would believe his innocence besides it being such a very high profile case. I think also the lack of financial resources came into play here, and the other being the backlash he probably was receiving while in Jail etc., all are contributing factors rounding out his fateful decision to plea guilty. The prosecution knew that they had a very weak case especially since Yoko and Joe surely did not and was hoping not to end up having to testify. Somehow , all this was bypassed when he pled guilty, and I am sure those two Yoko and Joe sighed a breath of relief and dodged a bullet heading their way.

Normally I am a type of person to not stick up for suspected killers you know, of which over 95% are truly the people who did do the killing. This case is a bit different, when one reads the actual evidence and when one reads all the statements and study the scene itself, along with the investigative material such as ballistics and coroners reports, it came as a shock to me that this Chapman is indeed a innocent dude, which to me is extremely very rare.

Incidently by the way, it is so unreal that NO ONE ELSE stepped forward to the police to have seen the incident. Why?? It just so happens no one was around in the parking lot, no one was around outside the building street side, and no one was driving by either etc, and no one in the apartment building heard those shots!!!!!!!! What are the odds of this happening in New York!!! How is it that being possible. No one hearing shots being fired even the desk clerk??? I suspect the gun used to kill Lennon had a silencer on it.

Get this part, the desk clerk stated the only time he knew of anyting going on, was when Yoko went up to him and said John is shot, John my husband has just been shot, and it was then that the desk clerk called the police. Think about this for a moment OK

Strange that he did not hear the shots himself prior before Yoko went up to him isn't it??? When a gun goes off especially in a hallway like setting it is definitely very loud and that type of setting would have sent the soundwaves clear thru several walls and echo out to the street and parking lot that has the apartments surrounding it. Yoko stated she ran up to the deskclerk who was sitting on the desk doing something else and yelled at him about John and told him to call the police.

I think Yoko is in trouble here. In the meantime Joe Perdomo tells Chapman to go outside and sit down on the curb, another oddity here, so he returns back inside and speaks to Yoko to make sure their stories are the same before the police arrive and I think this 6th person that was mentioned is the one who took the gun with the silencer and got it out of there. Ironically, neither of them ever said that they went to John to try to save his LIFE!!!! The police said the gun was fired recently the one that was at the scene, and gunpowder does stay in the gun for quite a few hours before dissipating itself. With this being said I suspect that the gun was discharged at some shooting range to make sure the gunpowder would be evident and hence the findings by the police. What they did not do was check to see if the bullets trace marks was the same from the gun that Chapman supposingly had. Nothing so far has been mentioned about this part but they do all agree it is the same bullets used for the same weapon. Odd that we would hear this much, and wonder why the bullets itself was not checked for the same signature coming from the barrel. A silencer will skew it all up and it becomes untraceable. The lines will come out differently and it cannot match to the same weapon. This is a well known fact, and that is one of the reasons why they say silencers are illegal because then the police cannot get a match at all for evidence reasons.

Anyway the statements from Joe and Yoko give me more than many reasons to suspect that they are the ones involved!!!! Then you got the driver giving a different version of who left the vehicle first and who left the vehicle last before the driver took off. This same driver said he saw Chapman on the right side of Lennon before he left.

Daveyo

[daveyo]

I honestly sometimes wished I had a career being a criminal lawyer defending the innocent, but this is far and few in between. I chose different paths in life such as music, and mechanical engineering and medical research. It takes a very sharp mind and also one has to be so savvy in Court to try to trip up the witnesses like Bailey did to Fuhrman in L.A. It is equally even harder to pin and nail the real killer in court during testimony. To do so, one would need a good plan and a good set of questions to first rip into that witness and get them to trip up in so many different ways, and then if possible then set up the witness so that they are literally boxed between having to take the 5th amendment or commit suicide by admitting in court that they did the crime in question. Then at the same time you have to contend with the prosecutor making objections to your scenario etc and having to deal with that without tipping off the witness your true intent. It is not easy as it sounds like what we are discussing here. It does take a very special person to be able to do all this and more if needed. We all know that most prosecutors are pathological liars and more some than this. Its their nature to lie as much as possible but still maintain within the bounds of the evidence and case situations. Lets say for example, I have a lot of girls who hang out with me, and go with me on many occassions, as a group together, and they show their affection towards me etc., and look gorgeous and like maybe a hooker style dress up etc., and etc. A prosecutor can accuse me of being a PIMP!!!!! if the case involves something sexual in nature or about my reputation and demeanor. Yet I am not a Pimp but a playboy player, which a lot of girls like from a guy doing groovy dancing, and maybe saying sweet things and so on and being good friends with them. This is how they (the prosecutors) attack you.

It would be interesting on what the prosecutor would say about David Chapman during trial? I would not hold my breath.


Daveyo

[dragonfly]

The police use hollow point bullets not just because they are more destructive when fired into the human body, the intent is also to hopefully prevent collateral damage to innocent bystanders as they tend to stay inside the body into which they are fired. Mark David Chapman got hollow points from a cop friend in Georgia, fired them at John, and yet left three bullet holes in a door down the entryway and to the right. (even though he fired from behind/to the left and from the right of John) MDC plead guilty and thus information like this wasn't subjected to the scrutiny of courtroom cross examination. Too bad..