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Post by Maacc on Nov 28, 2005 10:57:59 GMT
I did. By phone. On Friday at exactly 13.22 GMT. I got hold of his office phone number and caught him as he was going out to lunch. It was relatively easy getting through, and I only had to speak to one woman before she agreed to put me through. I made up a bogus story that I was a reporter for an internet website enquiring if there was any truth in the rumour that the "3rd Lennon song" given to the other 3 Beatles by Yoko Ono was to be completed and released.
Aspinall was polite but keen to get rid of me and told me that he knew nothing about it, but that as far as he was concerned it was a non-starter, and that he thought it unlikley that it would be completed any time soon if at all. I told him I was going to be speaking to Jeff Lynne soon to fill out the conversation on my part, and he told me he didn't know Jeff very well. He then said he had to go. That was it. (You wont be surprised that I didn't ask him if Paul was dead...)
Obviously I have no proof that it was definitely Aspinall, but he had the right accent, the voice was familiar, and I had no reason to suppose otherwise.
Now, can anyone explain how this conversation, brief though it was, occurred if Aspinall is currently on tour in the States pretending to be Paul McCartney?
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Post by Perplexed on Nov 28, 2005 11:09:49 GMT
Well, there you have it. Alive and a seperate person from McCartney. Just as I suspected. There IS a Neil Aspinall afterall.
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Post by semolinapilchard on Nov 28, 2005 18:41:27 GMT
obviously...
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Post by defhermit on Nov 28, 2005 22:03:06 GMT
that really means nothing... you can't positively identify someone solely over the phone, and any replacement plan would of course think of having someone fill the aspinall role while Paul is out to play, otherwise someone would say, "How come I never hear anything from Neil while Paul is around?"
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Post by semolinapilchard on Nov 28, 2005 22:13:37 GMT
well if you stretch something far enough...eventually it snaps.
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Post by Maacc on Nov 28, 2005 22:40:28 GMT
that really means nothing... you can't positively identify someone solely over the phone, and any replacement plan would of course think of having someone fill the aspinall role while Paul is out to play, otherwise someone would say, "How come I never hear anything from Neil while Paul is around?" Oh, for goodness sake, come on! I acknowledged in the original post that I had no proof that it was the real Aspinall. However, do you really think it likely that they have a guy in the office that's paid to impersonate Neil Aspinall, Liverpudlian accent and nasally voice and all? Wouldn't it be simpler just to say, "he's not here right now." And if someone persists, just say Neil doesn't do interviews, talk to the press office, or even, "email us your questions."? Guys, why would anyone make the leap of consciousness that would produce the thought, "Hey, now I come to think of it, you never see Neil and Paul in the room at the same time. Hmmm. Paul's in America, and Neil's not in the office" And why would the office anticipate anyone thinking that anyway. Hey, wait a minute...Do you think they have a guy that impersonates the impersonator, you know, just in case... I think I've got a migraine coming on.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Nov 28, 2005 22:49:52 GMT
Hi Macc. Which "Aspinall" are you telling.....? The "Oliver Stone" "Aspinall" or the "George W. Bush" "Aspinall"? I am curious. Thanks.
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Post by defhermit on Nov 29, 2005 0:26:21 GMT
Oh, for goodness sake, come on! I acknowledged in the original post that I had no proof that it was the real Aspinall. However, do you really think it likely that they have a guy in the office that's paid to impersonate Neil Aspinall, Liverpudlian accent and nasally voice and all? Wouldn't it be simpler just to say, "he's not here right now." And if someone persists, just say Neil doesn't do interviews, talk to the press office, or even, "email us your questions."? Guys, why would anyone make the leap of consciousness that would produce the thought, "Hey, now I come to think of it, you never see Neil and Paul in the room at the same time. Hmmm. Paul's in America, and Neil's not in the office" And why would the office anticipate anyone thinking that anyway. Hey, wait a minute...Do you think they have a guy that impersonates the impersonator, you know, just in case... I think I've got a migraine coming on. If I am willing to believe that they replaced Paul McCartney with ANYone, of course I'm willing to believe that they would hire someone to impersonate Neil Aspinall. Yes, it would make more sense to have someone say that Neil wasn't there at the moment, but I believe that if friends and family were never able to get ahold of Neil while Faul was visible elsewhere, it might occur to them to start looking into it. You're replacing a huge worldwide star and rearranging his face. You think it's beyond the pale to hire a Neil Aspinall soundalike to answer the phone? Note: I do not believe Neil Aspinall is Faul. I am simply replying to your post.
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Post by Maacc on Nov 29, 2005 9:06:55 GMT
Hi BeatlePaul - sorry, but I have absolutely no idea what you mean. You'll need to explain because I'm not keeping up with you - apologies.
Defhermit - I'm not sure I see the point you're making. You're suggesting that they are rearranging someone's face, but they're actually continually rearranging it between McCartney and Aspinall (is that what semolina meant by stretching something far enough and it snapping?!) adding and taking away hair. Look at the teeth - Aspinall has a gap at the front incisors, the other guy has a right sided upper canine incisor that sits slightly unevenly. Who would be prepared to go through life continually switching identities like that, spending hours in make up, wearing false teeth, wigs (The McCartney guy's hair looks real, and thinner than it did in, say, 1970.) and holding down two jobs - three if you include MPL communications.
You suggest, presumably for argument's sake that Aspinall's family might grow suspicious if he was never available when McCartney was visible elsewhere. I'm not convinced they would ever make such a connection - I mean, it's so far out, would it be something that would ever occur to you if you hadn't been confronted with the 60IF scenario?
I think they would grow suspicious though, if Aspinall suddenly would only talk on the phone, sounded a bit different and continually refused to meet people he knew intimately face to face. I still don't think it would make them draw a link between FcMartney and Aspinall, but it would create some pretty difficult and awkward situations. Put yourself in Aspinall's shoes - the only way around it would be if everyone that knew Aspinall well and had regualr contact was in on it too. Doesn't the whole thing begin to grow to unmanageable proportions with this scenario?
I'd be interested to know at this juncture who on the forum actually thinks Aspinall is McCartney? Feel free to support or shout me down folks.
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Post by Perplexed on Nov 29, 2005 9:20:33 GMT
Hi Macc. Which "Aspinall" are you telling.....? The "Oliver Stone" "Aspinall" or the "George W. Bush" "Aspinall"? I am curious. Thanks. Axtually, BeatlePaul, I am just loopy enough to see exactly what you mean. The left Aspinall picture has a strong affinity for the "mask" topography of the Oliver Stone pic...there is a strong Oliver Stone/Gerald Ford undercurrent for sure in that black and white one. THe color one of Aspinall there, well, I see Bush only marginally; who I REALLY do see "in the muscular tension in the mask and eyes", is like a whole lot of Chevy Chase the comedian. Now, the eyebrows, the BUSHy ones, is that what you meant, BP? are very present in both shots, I am afraid. Heck, I got bushy ones too 'cept when I tip my hair stylist to run the tractor over 'em. Part of that post 45 thing. Eyebrows do not know when to stop growing. I don't water them and they have my plants beat for fullness sometimes. It's the Andy Rooney gene. Man, can the biologists find a way to splice that s*mb*tch out? My chromosomes is givin' me werewolf brows and they ain't even all one color. Wake up some mornin's and wanna grab the bushwhacker and thin those brows down to small toothbrushes. Sheesh.
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Post by semolinapilchard on Nov 29, 2005 15:11:28 GMT
Now I'm catchin' on...not only is Neil Aspinall Faul and the guy from the Bonzo Dog Doo Dah Band, but when he's not busy impersonating those guys, he's also Oliver Stone and George W. Bush, wow!
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Post by LUCY on Nov 29, 2005 23:04:16 GMT
OLE ! This is exactly the type of proactive investigating that should be happening around here.......thank you for the effort Maacc. I'd be interested to know at this juncture who on the forum actually thinks Aspinall is McCartney? Feel free to support or shout me down folks. My vote is no. But that Bush clone photo of Neil is definitely freaking me out.
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Post by plastic paul on Nov 30, 2005 0:48:30 GMT
The l/hand - stone thing i believe illustrates the point that surgery etc gives some people a rather "fake" look to there face as if they were wearing a mask so to speak. I believe this was BP's point. I don't think he meant (or at least hope he didn't mean) that stone is also neil/bill/brian, just illustrating a point.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Nov 30, 2005 0:50:58 GMT
The l/hand - stone thing i believe illustrates the point that surgery etc gives some people a rather "fake" look to there face as if they were wearing a mask so to speak. I believe this was BP's point. I don't think he meant (or at least hope he didn't mean) that stone is also neil/bill/brian, just illustrating a point. .... exactly ... There is (and there was) more than a man called "Neil Aspinall" into the Beatles management.
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Post by semolinapilchard on Nov 30, 2005 7:25:14 GMT
Which are you telling? The Barney "Aspinall": Or the Tinkie Winkie "Aspinall": ?? Just curious.
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Post by Maacc on Nov 30, 2005 9:05:53 GMT
The l/hand - stone thing i believe illustrates the point that surgery etc gives some people a rather "fake" look to there face as if they were wearing a mask so to speak. I believe this was BP's point. I don't think he meant (or at least hope he didn't mean) that stone is also neil/bill/brian, just illustrating a point. Nope. I still don't see the point. I was just commenting on the fact that it was apparently Neil Aspinall on the phone in London, while Faul was in the US. I wasn't talking about their facial similarities or otherwise, and I don't see how Bush and Stone illustrate anything - at least anymore than Tinkywinky and Barney do. By the way Semolina - that was totally unexpected and I laughed out loud while in the library. I think that the bottom line is that most people on here don't agree that Aspinall is Faul, and I don't understand why we're being asked to accept that he is. If there is any evidence apart from the photo comparisons already posted, I want to see it. I haven't even heard how BP arrived at the conclusion that they Neil and Faul are the same person.
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Post by plastic paul on Nov 30, 2005 12:39:25 GMT
Ok again i must say i'm not convinced enough to say neil aspinall replaced paul and then someone else replaced neil aspinall.
However i don't see your point either, "i spoke to a man who said he was neil aspinall and faul is in the US so the theory is wrong"
That doesn't work either...
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Post by Maacc on Nov 30, 2005 16:01:57 GMT
Like I said above - it dosen't prove anything, but I'm satisfied on the balance of probabilities that it was Neil Aspinall I spoke with. I know what Aspinall sounds like -and this guy sounded just like him. Ok, he could have been an impostor, but I've worked in enough offices to know that it can be hard to get hold of people sometimes. You may have to write, email or speak to someone else. The person who put me through knew I wasn't intimate with Neil and was looking for some info and put me through on that basis. She could have told me that Neil doesn't talk to the press, he's busy, can you put your questions in writing. He didn't. He answered my call, and as I said above, acted exactly the way you would expect of someone dealing with an innoccuous if inane question while trying to get out the office. I've dealt with dozens of calls the same way myself.
I'm not trying to start a new religion or anything. AllI'm trying to assert is that it was reasonable enough evidence, for want of a better word, to convince me I was talking to someone real rather than an impostor. It's obviously up to everyone else to make up their own minds. BeatlePaul could be absolutely right, but in my opinion Neil Aspinall is Neil Aspinall, and Faul is someone else. The choice is yours.
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Post by semolinapilchard on Nov 30, 2005 18:03:54 GMT
But what about Tinkie Winkie?
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Post by plastic paul on Dec 1, 2005 13:10:57 GMT
Lol
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Post by palerider on Dec 1, 2005 18:54:15 GMT
Why replace Paul with Neil and then have to replace Neil it makes no sense that people smart enough to accomplish something as bizarre as that would go through so much trouble. You would really only need one replacement to get the job done. By the way has anyone seen the recent Reader's Digest with the Beatles on it. I have it and Paul looks to much like today's Paul.
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Post by plastic paul on Dec 2, 2005 0:35:45 GMT
Yes, i agree it doesn't seem to make sense.
Until... you consider that, as the road manager of the beatles he had a huge input with the band and (as the myth goes he could emulate paul as well as being "lyrically able") he new paul's voice and mannerisms very well, as well as being able to play musical instruments to a relatively good standard...
Again i feel i have to say i'm not convinced by this revelation but i have to make the points that i feel stand to reason.
If neil could "do" paul, then it would be ideal to use him and replace neil (as he just drove them around), than it would be to pick an entirely random guy to join the beatles and hope it worked out. As neil was already involved, i'm sure it would have made sense to them if that is what actually happened.
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Post by TotalInformation on Dec 2, 2005 3:39:37 GMT
you consider that, as the road manager of the beatles he had a huge input with the band and (as the myth goes he could emulate paul as well as being "lyrically able") he new paul's voice and mannerisms very well, as well as being able to play musical instruments to a relatively good standard...
Neil need not play that creative role. Mal Evans did.
Mal was JPM's Boswell. After JPM died, he was FAUL's handler and collaborator as they pored over JPM's tapes.
Mal Evans was extralegally executed by government agents circa 1974, as he was about to publish his memoirs.
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Post by plastic paul on Dec 2, 2005 17:06:57 GMT
Mal was JPM's Boswell. After JPM died, he was FAUL's handler and collaborator as they pored over JPM's tapes. Mal Evans was extralegally executed by government agents circa 1974 I agree
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Post by BeatlePaul on Dec 2, 2005 18:48:11 GMT
Neil Aspinall Catalog The true Neil Aspinall: Billy Shepherd performing Neil Aspinall: "Werewolf Aspinall": Billy Shepherd (our Faul) performed "Neil Aspinall" from November 18th 1965 to August 26th 1966 when he started to be Faux-Brian Epstein. For a period he performed both Faux-Brian and Faux-Paul just changing filler and make-up "Werewolf Aspinall" instead, is the gay who was with John Lennon at Paris on September 18th 1966: He say one and one and one is three Got to be good looking 'cause he's so hard to see
Billy Shepherd.... just a SPY LIKE THEM
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