We're (NOT) Doomed

[plastic paul]

Well, no-one here ever posts much anymore, and it's becoming like a ghost-town of the World Wide Web.

This point was mentioned before but it was put down to "thanksgiving, christmas and new year" yet i've seen no resurgence yet and the future looks bleak.

Although i've never been a member, i often check on Rev9 and nobody's posted there for yonks!

I hope we can avoid going the same way!

[BeatlePaul]

plasticpaul said:

Well, no-one here ever posts much anymore, and it's becoming like a ghost-town of the World Wide Web.

This point was mentioned before but it was put down to "thanksgiving, christmas and new year" yet i've seen no resurgence yet and the future looks bleak.

Although i've never been a member, i often check on Rev9 and nobody's posted there for yonks!

I hope we can avoid going the same way!

I think this is not a "chatting" forum.
It's a documentation forum.
Good opinions are important but not fundamental and sometimes opinions made wasted our time.
Soon I will post a report about what discovered in years of investigation and, believe me, it's conclusive.

[plastic paul]

Well I didn't post it in off topic because this is exactly the reaction I was looking for!

People like you saying "we're not dead, and here's the proof!"

Excellent, i'm looking forward to it already!

[byrdsmaniac]

And still there's more detail to be sussed out.
I have to think "Revolver" somehow has ties to
"Happiness Is A Warm Gun". Did Paul attempt suicide, as suggested in the "Toujours L'Amour" song by Procol Harum?
Was the person interrupting the presumed love-making session suggested in the in the reprise of the "Ram On" song on the "Ram" album holding a gun?
And why is the cartoon of George, dressed as a govt agent in MMT,holding a gun?
Was "Rubber Soul" the concept that Faul could tune
into the soul of JPM while he was yet alive, but being held prisoner (the "madman across the water")?
And there's still the bigger picture of what other
groups like Pink Floyd, David Bowie, Elton John, the Moody Blues, the Stones etc. were saying about the whole situation. Do we have the big picture yet? Hmmm?

What's in a name? What about the group "Ten Years After" that played at Woodstock - Ten Years After what?
Could it be that 10 years after Paul turns 64 something happens?
Possibly. Is this the countdown shown on the cover of the "Days of Future Passed" album
by the Moody Blues; the countdown heard near the end of "A Day In the Life"?
Could be.
"There's more to the picture than meets the eye" said Neil Young. Let's not forget it.

[semolinapilchard]

Well, if anyone wants my two cents...when i joined this here forum, people kind of made sense and there was interesting discussion. Now this place slightly resembles a lunatic asylum. Just an opinion, but seriously, I just can't relate. Speaking of wasting our time BeatlePaul, stand up and take a bow, I mean have you read your last 50 posts or so? Give me a break. Also I'm sure we'd all love to see your conclusive report, unfortunately I don't have the time to wait!

I surely hope the powers that be remove me from this here forum because it's time to go for sure. Thanks.

[Forum Manager]

Doomed? This forum is a great collection of information about PID and about how deeply the entertainment business is under control.

The whole point is to push the boundaries of what we currently know and perceive. People don't always know how to respond when they see new ideas, or new...anything. I'm glad when I see others post here and help bring the truth forward. And I'm also glad when people just read and take something with them to think about.

I don't see the need in pushing people to make posts. I was on a forum once where the moderator threw fits if people didn't post often enough and it made me want to leave not post anything. If people feel the need to share something, they will do it. The motivation has to come from within.

As BeatlePaul said, this is not so much a chatting forum. I like to think of it as a study group, a place to compare notes. There is no final exam and no grading so everyone is free to take all the time they want. The purpose is seeking answers to our own questions, not answering what someone else wants to hear. I hope it will always lead to more questioning and exploration.

[byrdsmaniac]

semolinapilchard said:

Well, if anyone wants my two cents...when i joined this here forum, people kind of made sense and there was interesting discussion. Now this place slightly resembles a lunatic asylum......
I surely hope the powers that be remove me from this here forum because it's time to go for sure. Thanks.

Well now I feel bad, because I'm one of the guilty ones for making the forum a little nutty, and I would miss Semolina if he/she goes. It's tough trying to figure out the clues when you're in the generation that grew up with the Beatles, let alone someone who's young, and trying to figure out what was going on, and I feel for the frustrated younger visitors to this site who just want "the truth", thinking it's simple when, unfortunately, it's not.
There seem to be two levels to the story the Beatles have given us. One is the story of Paul and Sylvie etc., but the other is a more cosmic message: that they and other rockers were (are) messengers of "the revolution",
whether you call it "Revolution #9" or "evolution of humanity from 'Earthling' to 'cosmic citizen' ". They hinted that they were messengers of the future. Maybe even from the future.
Many people have come and gone on this forum, and egos have clashed. We have, none-the-less, uncovered volumes and volumes of significant data. More than we have truly grasped in my opinion.
Here's a clue we have missed, 'til now, in my humble opinion: Paul, having failed to elope with Sylvie, tried to BE her. The "Rubber Soul" was his (shown by the 'male'
writing of the album title) and hers (shown by the 'female' writing of the words "the fool on the hill" in the cartoon of him wearing her dress in the Magical Mystery Tour cartoon.) His soul would stretch to take in hers, allowing her to live through him after her death. Hence songs like "Obladi-Oblada" and "She said/She Said".
I'll clarify: As best as I can piece the story together, Paul and Sylvie had decided to flee from the public eye, living anonymously together.
The fact that she was married to Johnny Hallyday at the time was a problem, and he apparently caught them in the act of trying to flee from France. They were at the wall along the coast that was some sort of fortress left
from World War 2. In fact they were on top of it when Mr. H caught up with them, and some wrestling ensued
which resulted in Sylvie being tossed from the wall to her (eventual) death. Paul attempted to fly back to England in the plane that was to have been their escape vehicle. It was shot down, and he was taken prisoner in France,
charged with causing Sylvie's injuries. He was not held in a regular jail, but a somewhat more upscale facility, one used for caring for the insane. He was rescued by an English SWAT team, and taken back to England, possibly by submarine.
Despondent and remorseful for Sylvie's subsequent death, he attempted suicide unsuccessfully; then decided he would live his life 'as her', giving his body to her to use.
Even though she was deceased, her spirit would have his body to use. That appears to have been the plan.
It's hard to guage how "successful" this plan was.
I don't necessarily think that Paul had surgery to become physically a woman, though he may have.
"But now she sucks her thumb and and wonders by the banks of her own lagoon" may be a description of Sylvie prior to her death. I see here a possibility that Sylvie may have survived the fall, but suffered brain damage, expiring some months afterwards.
The deranged musical arrangement after
the song "Anyway" in Faul's "Chaos and Creation" album; the part that follows the 23 second gap which (I think) represents his age at the time of his death, represents the insane heaviness of the consequences of
the Paul and Sylvie affair.

[gracemer]

A successful forum is chatty and studious. Forum Manager banned some of the best posters for personal reasons, no one dares to disagree with BP anymore, and this place is dead. Take a bow, FM. You killed TKIN just as surely as if you were a Faul infiltrator. If you think your gestapo tactics are not the cause of the forum's demise, why not post a a couple of polls and let the members decide: (A) whether or not the members you banned should be reinstated, and (B) whether or not you should remain an admin here?

No doubt this post will be deleted and I'll be banned come morning. When you do it, rest assured that my opinion is correct and go ahead and pat yourself on the back for ridding TKIN of yet another member who doesn't think the sun rises and sets on your viewpoint.

[byrdsmaniac]

In reference to my post above, here are some relevant lyrics:

SHE SAID/SHE SAID
She said "I know what it's like to be dead.
I know what it is to be sad"
And she's making me feel like I've never been born.

I said "Who put all those things in your head?
Things that make me feel that I'm mad
And you're making me feel like I've never been born."

She said "you don't understand what I said"
I said "No, no, no, you're wrong"
When I was a boy everything was right
Everything was right

I said "Even though you know what you know
I know that I'm ready to leave
'Cause you're making me feel like I've never been born."

She said "you don't understand what I said"
I said "No, no, no, you're wrong"
When I was a boy everything was right
Everything was right

I said "Even though you know what you know
I know that I'm ready to leave
'Cause you're making me feel like I've never been born."

She said , she said "I know what it's like to be dead"
("I know what it's like to be dead")

I know what it is to be sad...
(end)
Comment: SYLVIE knew what it was like to be dead, and what it was to be sad. Paul's 'conversation' with her
described in the lyrics. (Never mind the Peter Fonda story.) Paul takes comfort from the 'madness' by reliving boyhood memories. Another way to put it: Paul experiencing the now-dead Sylvie "knows what it's like to be dead" even though he, in the song, isn't. Sylvie
is making him feel as if he's never been born in the sense that physical death is a birth into life as spirit.
She, as a free-roaming spirit, makes his physical limitations seem analygous to the limitations of the womb. (She can do things he can't.)

Paul's meditation experience for channeling Sylvie is described in "Tomorrow Never Knows":

TOMORROW NEVER KNOWS
Turn off your mind, relax and float down stream,
It is not dying, it is not dying
Lay down all thoughts, surrender to the void,
It is shining, it is shining.

Yet you may see the meaning of within
It is being, it is being
Love is all and love is everyone
It is knowing, it is knowing

And ignorance and hate may mourn the dead
It is believing, it is believing
But listen to the colour of your dreams
It is not leaving, it is not leaving

So play the game "Existence" to the end
Of the beginning, of the beginning
(end)
Comment: The lyrics suggest that one should live one's life to the end, as it is but the beginning of a more eternal run. Death "is not leaving" necessarily.
In other words: the dead aren't necessarily away in heaven or hell, so "listen to the color of your dreams"
because there may be communication from them there, the song says. If Paul had previously attempted suicide, this song suggests that this was the lesson learned from that experience.


In "Run For Your Life" John sings as if he were Sylvie's husband, speaking to her:

RUN FOR YOUR LIFE
Well I'd rather see you dead, little girl
Than to be with another man
You better keep your head, little girl
Or I won't know where I am

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end'a little girl

Well you know that I'm a wicked guy
And I was born with a jealous mind
And I can't spend my whole life
Trying just to make you toe the line

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end'a little girl

Let this be a sermon
I mean everything I've said
Baby, I'm determined
And I'd rather see you dead

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end'a little girl

I'd rather see you dead, little girl
Than to be with another man
You better keep your head, little girl
Or you won't know where I am

You better run for your life if you can, little girl
Hide your head in the sand little girl
Catch you with another man
That's the end'a little girl
(end)
Comment: "Another man", of course, was Paul.
Here John is telling us who he feels was responsible for Sylvie's death.

Just an observation: These songs are from the "Rubber Soul" album and the "Revolver" album.
It has already been observed that the view of the Beatles on Rubber Soul is
similar to how one might see them if lying in a coffin at one's viewing. (I.E. How Sylvie would see them.)
And the album name Revolver may be so named in reference to a failed suicide attempt. (intended as another clue). Looking at the Revolver cover, there's
a small photograph of Paul in the drawing of Paul's hair where, if someone were going to shoot himself in the head, the hole would be. (Fixing a hole that kept his mind from wandering in Sgt Pepper a reference to the recovery, possibly.)

[Forum Manager]

gracemer said:

A successful forum is chatty and studious. Forum Manager banned some of the best posters for personal reasons, no one dares to disagree with BP anymore, and this place is dead. Take a bow, FM. You killed TKIN just as surely as if you were a Faul infiltrator. If you think your gestapo tactics are not the cause of the forum's demise, why not post a a couple of polls and let the members decide: (A) whether or not the members you banned should be reinstated, and (B) whether or not you should remain an admin here?

No doubt this post will be deleted and I'll be banned come morning. When you do it, rest assured that my opinion is correct and go ahead and pat yourself on the back for ridding TKIN of yet another member who doesn't think the sun rises and sets on your viewpoint.

gracemer, why would I need to delete your post? You're venting your own personal issues, not mine. When you make posts like this, you're just showing how uncooperative you are, how hard it is for you to let go when someone else makes a decision you disagree with, and how much you want to waste time arguing and being hateful instead of posting documentation. What, you can't post anymore about PID here because someone else got banned? You think worrying about Chris and SMA is more important than talking about what happened to The Beatles? I don't agree. I'm sorry that you are so upset, but I don't care what you say about me. The sad truth is that no one is stopping you or anyone else from getting on with things here. Not me, not BeatlePaul, not anyone except yourself.

[TotalInformation]

Rubber Soul... conceived at the DORIS DAY house.

Byrds, haven't you posts on a thread with timelined SYLVIE VARTAN pics?

[byrdsmaniac]

Total Information wrote:
"Rubber Soul... conceived at the DORIS DAY house. "

Exactly what I would have expected.

"Byrds, haven't you posts on a thread with timelined SYLVIE VARTAN pics?"

Do I? I mean, I probably do, but I'm not sure what you're getting at. I could easily have missed something obvious to you.

[plastic paul]

No need to put (NOT) in the title FM because I felt I made it clear that I meant unless things shape up well. I was making the point that Rev9 has become stagnant and we could go the same way.

It looks as though you've tried to save face by changing my title to suit you, if people disagree then we'll/i'll soon find out please change it back.

[Forum Manager]

plasticpaul said:

No need to put (NOT) in the title FM because I felt I made it clear that I meant unless things shape up well. I was making the point that Rev9 has become stagnant and we could go the same way.

It looks as though you've tried to save face by changing my title to suit you, if people disagree then we'll/i'll soon find out please change it back.

Lighten up! We're NOT doomed, plastic paul, no matter if people agree or not. And what is the use of seeing if people will agree to being victims? The future is what WE make it, and it starts with the words we say now.

Are you being what you want to see...or seeing what you want us to be?

We, the people of this forum, and we the people of this earth can be anything we choose to be. And I choose not to be doomed so there's at least one "me" that you can't include in your "we". So there

[defhermit]

FM, I agree with your comment to gracemer. I was a little unnerved when the banninations happened (I know that's not a word), but it's time to get over it.

[gracemer]

FM, my point is that you're too dictatorial which you just proved again by modifying plastic paul's subject line. That's just not cool. As for your response to my last post, all I have to say is Hey, I'm obviously not the only one with a problem.

So you lighten up. We just lost Pilchard.

This place used to be fun. Now it isn't. The members are the best judges of the evidence and behavior of other members. Heavy-handed admins kill conversation.

P.S. Ignore defhermit's comments. He can't get over the whomping he gets on Spiritual. Hey def, do you like FM's post deletions and modifications too? Wait til she does it to you and see how you feel.

[plastic paul]

FM, i'm not being all upset and moaning, it was just a post to try and get people posting again, in some ways its worked but in some ways it clearly hasn't, oh well.

[TotalInformation]

I thought you did, and would like a link...

[byrdsmaniac]

My apologies, Total Information. I misunderstood; I have no such thread. That sounds like something SMA might have put together when she was here,
even though she didn't think much of the whole Paul/Sylvie relationship.
Sorry if I misled you.

[defhermit]

gracemer, it's impossible to get whomped by people who believe in magic....

[ilras]

I think that all started when 60if was changed with the "Neil being Faul" story.
The biggest part of the people here just doesn't agree with that story (BTW,I don't think that someone really believed in a document written directly by the great George Harrison, even if some of our hearts wanted to).
But, as the few who had something to say against the new diretion of this forum were banned, the others, i dont' want to say that are scared, but just lost their interest in writing in this forum and even in browsing it.
I'm really sorry of this situation as I joined with a lot of enthusiasm.

[TPIMaster]

ilras, Spot on! You clearly know what's going on here.

And yes, I know that some of you think that that Neil is Faul thing actually made me a bit of PIA-ish. You guys are correct. Like one fourth of me says "PIA!" and 3 fourth says "PID!" The Neil is Faul thing made me think "This is too crazy for me."

[LUCY]

ilras said:

I think that all started when 60if was changed with the "Neil being Faul" story.
The biggest part of the people here just doesn't agree with that story (BTW,I don't think that someone really believed in a document written directly by the great George Harrison, even if some of our hearts wanted to).
But, as the few who had something to say against the new diretion of this forum were banned, the others, i dont' want to say that are scared, but just lost their interest in writing in this forum and even in browsing it.
I'm really sorry of this situation as I joined with a lot of enthusiasm.

...so true.

[Forum Manager]

Plastic paul, I'm sorry if I misunderstood. I wasn't trying to offend you by changing the thread title. I just don't want people to get discouraged when they come here. I think I see where you were going with it now.

[Forum Manager]

gracemer said:

This place used to be fun. Now it isn't. The members are the best judges of the evidence and behavior of other members. Heavy-handed admins kill conversation.

Oh I see...well, Paul Bearer used to edit member's posts all the time, and you weren't bothered by that? I guess it just depends on your personal preference. Or maybe PB was easier for you to manipulate?

P.S. Ignore defhermit's comments.

So how can I be fair, when you tell me members are the best judge...but I'm only supposed to listen to the ones that YOU want me to listen to?

Gracemer for the last 3 months you have been acting like you are on a vendetta against me. Seriously, it's time to let it go and move on. I'll even give you a head start. You can't say I didn't give you a chance. If you want to go on bitching about me on your own time, go ahead, but here we have other things to do.

Banninations, LOL. Hateration leads to bannination.