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Post by torchforpaul on Jul 31, 2006 18:19:08 GMT
Hello,my fellow truth seekers!I am so glad I have finally made it to this forum after a long,long journey from the blissful ignorance I used to enjoy during my teenage,when I was able to indulge myself in the magic of the Beatles to my heart's content without any doubt or disbelief To me,the loss of the one and only James Paul McCartney is the most damaging blow I've ever received in my life as a Beatlemania. To be quite honest,having been born in the mid-1970's,the death of John Lennon had less impact on me than this case does after all ,because I was too young to have any firsthand feeling when he was assassinated,as much as I was deeply affected by his music and lifestyle later in my life. (As for George Harrison,I have a mixed feeling toward him:An empathy for the man who unflinchingly fought with cancer and tumor until he was killed as the public knew it;A respect for the very same man who struggled so hard all his life to keep this horrible truth just to himself and the very few of his closest friends&confidants,and then set out to shed the light on it for all to see when he was dying... ) So when I was totally convinced that JPM had been really murdered 40 years earlier unbeknownst to most of the people in the world, including me,I thought I had really lost the Beatles in a true sense.I spent the next few hours crying in bed,lying on my stomach,pounding on my pillow over and over with my fist,resenting this injustice with my teeth gritted. And then,when I had cried my eyes out,I sat up and offered a short Buddhist prayer I knew to him,wishing he could rest in peace first,hoping then he had been reborn somewhere to continue the journey of his soul.And,as a book worm,I finally sought some comfort in literature. While I was in the" mourning", feeling I wasn't myself,I re-read one of my favorite novels, The Three-Inch Golden Lotus by Feng Jicai.(See my signature below for the quote.)It depicts the times of Chinese foot-binding--the prime and decline of it---along with the society and various people revolving around the custom through a brave but tragic heroine with the most beautiful pair of tiny bound feet ,while the narrator constantly asks the reader WHAT EXACTLY IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TRUTH AND FALSEHOOD in a world where nothing ever stays the same.This is,I believe,a must -read for all you truth seekers,regardless of your tastes So here is my question:What kind of literature do you seek comfort in when you feel tired of coping with this harsh reality with Paul murdered and replaced by an imposter?I don't know much about Western literature,so I would appreciate your recommending some of your own favorite novels,essays and poems Thank you for reading my rather lengthy posting
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Jul 31, 2006 20:07:56 GMT
Welcome Torch For Paul!
I always enjoyed reading Linda Goodman's books on astrology, and her book "Star Signs", about how the universe leaves little signs in words, numbers, colors, etc. I even subscribed to her "Love Notes" newsletter. And the funny part was, I was a devoted Bible reader as well. The two are seen as opposites in the west, but all I kept seeing was how much they were two sides of the same coin.
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Post by torchforpaul on Jul 31, 2006 20:21:31 GMT
Thank you for the warm welcome,byrdsmaniac!I am looking forward to hearing from you and the other members later:D
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Post by plastic paul on Jul 31, 2006 23:21:48 GMT
Welcome, what a well thought out and beautifully written post.
May sound odd but I read the Hunter Davies biography of the band.
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Post by torchforpaul on Aug 1, 2006 14:45:33 GMT
Welcome, what a well thought out and beautifully written post. May sound odd but I read the Hunter Davies biography of the band. Thank you one more time for your wonderful comment on my very first post.You really made my day Hope I'll be able to write better about more complicated things here in this forum in months to come,and create a new thread in another folder if possible As for the book ,I think I know what you mean:I suppose the reason you like reading that Hunter Davies' book is that it enables you to fantasize about their "good old days" in which none of the "original" friends of the band was absent,and they were still living happily on their own.Am I right in assuming so?
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Post by torchforpaul on Aug 1, 2006 15:13:37 GMT
Welcome Torch For Paul!I always enjoyed reading Linda Goodman's books on astrology, and her book "Star Signs", about how the universe leaves little signs in words, numbers, colors, etc. I even subscribed to her "Love Notes" newsletter. And the funny part was, I was a devoted Bible reader as well. The two are seen as opposites in the west, but all I kept seeing was how much they were two sides of the same coin. HI again! In my case,I enjoy reading books by Brian L.Weiss,M.D. as I am a firm believer of the notion of reincarnation which,as you know, coincides with that of Buddhism.(That explains the way I prayed for Paul) In this case,it seems my faith in Buddhism and in those "New Age" books go hand in hand,unlike your case.But comparing the two kinds of books to each other gives me insights,too.
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Post by plastic paul on Aug 1, 2006 21:54:15 GMT
In a way you're right however I wanted to see the change as it happened because he wrote about them at around the same time JPM was no more.
I did buy a modern translation of the Tibetan Book of the Dead, however I've barely started to read it, what's your opinion of the book?
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Post by torchforpaul on Aug 2, 2006 17:51:01 GMT
In a way you're right however I wanted to see the change as it happened because he wrote about them at around the same time JPM was no more. I did buy a modern translation of the Tibetan Book of the Dead, however I've barely started to read it, what's your opinion of the book? To plasticpaul, I think the Tibetan Book of the Dead and the other Buddhist sutras are almost identical because their main goals are the same: to get rid of the delusion and attachment to this world which the deceased had had before they died, so that they can be part of the Light. As you may know,the Buddha says that we must throw away every unnecessary obsession-----hatred,passion and all the other strong emotions----- which in reality are entirely insubstantial,otherwise we will be caught in the wheel of transmigration forever without reaching enlightenment.That is the bottom line of both Buddhism and Lamaism.In fact,the Prajna Paramita Sutra,which I chanted for Paul,says it all.(“Gone,gone,the Other Shore gone,reach enlightenment accomplish”,as Allen Ginsburg translated it) Incidentally,as I made this posting,it dawned on me that studying Buddhism and Lamaism surely helps to better understand what the lyrics of Tomorrow Never Knows are all about,as they tell us to relax and surrender to the shining Void,listen to the “colours of your dream” in order to find out that they have no significance("It is not living") after all,or else,you are bound to “play the game Existence to the end (of the beginning",obviously meaning you will be back in the Wheel and resume wandering through many more lives).”It confirms the rumor for sure that John Lennon actually quoted the Book of the Dead as he wrote this song. By the way,I'm afraid I don't know much about the teachings of Jesus Christ,but there are two prayers that I like: Psalm 23(The LORD is my shepherd;I shall not want...) and The Prayer of St.Francis(Lord,make me an instrument of your peace...) Because it seems to me that they remind me of the essence of Buddhism in regards to not wanting when you need nothing.
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Aug 3, 2006 14:46:11 GMT
By the way,I'm afraid I don't know much about the teachings of Jesus Christ,but there are two prayers that I like: Psalm 23(The LORD is my shepherd;I shall not want...) and The Prayer of St.Francis(Lord,make me an instrument of your peace...) Because it seems to me that they remind me of the essence of Buddhism in regards to not wanting when you need nothing. Those two writings are very popular here too. Your comments about the "The Book of the Dead" and "Tomorrow Never Knows" are exactly on target. I think you should start a thread in the GENERAL section about: "What Comforts You with JPM Gone?" Explain that you want to know: "How do you seek comfort when you feel tired of coping with the harsh reality that Paul was murdered and replaced by an imposter?" (By the way, things aren't always the way they appear. The murder may not have been "all its cracked up to be". That's an expression meaning, basically, it might not be true.)
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Post by Paul Bearer on Aug 4, 2006 10:11:41 GMT
Hey! Where did torchforpaul go? Why is he no longer a member? Did he do something wrong or did he decide to resign?
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Post by Perplexed on Aug 4, 2006 11:03:23 GMT
Hey! Where did torchforpaul go? Why is he no longer a member? Did he do something wrong or did he decide to resign? The torch went out, I guess, sadly.
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Post by Forum Manager on Aug 7, 2006 3:06:33 GMT
Hey! Where did torchforpaul go? Why is he no longer a member? Did he do something wrong or did he decide to resign? He deleted himself.
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Post by jourdemavie on Aug 18, 2006 18:08:19 GMT
ThE TORCH IS BACK AND SET AFLAME AGAIN .... To ALL, I am terribly sorry I was gone for a while...about 10 days or so.Yes,I surely ran off from this thread by deleting myself, because of a sense of deep depression that seized me the day after I posted the writing about the Tibetan Book of the Dead. Although I am a Buddhist who is trying to learn the Way by forgiving,the mortal weaknesses of me--cynicism and ferocious hatred toward the "murderers" or the "imposter" etc. -----got the better of me all of a sudden, and made me feel I couldn't go on any more. And yet,I'm back in here,asking for your forgiveness.I know what I did,and that my sense of depression doesn't justify my abrupt "runaway",so I am ready to accept your criticisms. Nevertheless,I would like to start it all again by moving this topic to the General section as byrdsmaniac kindly suggested. Would all of you forgive me for my childishness and allow me to show this thread to another group of the members to exchange more opinions? After all,I truly love Paul and this forum.I sincerely hope I will be able to hear from you again.Please give me ONE MORE CHANCE
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Aug 18, 2006 22:46:07 GMT
Welcome, Torch For Paul! I went through a depression for three days, and was in mourning for about a month. What did I read to help me get through it all? TKIN! Here's an American Tune just for you, bro: Words & music by Paul Simon Many's the time I've been mistaken And many times confused Yes, and I've often felt forsaken And certainly misused Oh, but I'm alright, I'm alright I'm just weary to my bones Still, you don't expect to be Bright and bon vivant So far a-way from home, so far away from home And I don't know a soul who's not been battered I don't have a friend who feels at ease I don't know a dream that's not been shattered or driven to its knees but it's alright, it's alright for we lived so well so long Still, when I think of the road we're traveling on I wonder what's gone wrong I can't help it, I wonder what has gone wrong And I dreamed I was dying I dreamed that my soul rose unexpectedly And looking back down at me Smiled reassuringly And I dreamed I was flying And high up above my eyes could clearly see The Statue of Liberty Sailing away to sea And I dreamed I was flying We come on the ship they call the Mayflower We come on the ship that sailed the moon We come in the a-ge's most uncertain hours and sing an American tune Oh, and it's alright, it's alright, it's alright You can't be forever blessed Still, tomorrow's going to be another working day And I'm trying to get some rest That's all I'm trying to get some rest
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Post by Perplexed on Aug 19, 2006 6:32:06 GMT
ThE TORCH IS BACK AND SET AFLAME AGAIN .... To ALL, I am terribly sorry I was gone for a while...about 10 days or so.Yes,I surely ran off from this thread by deleting myself, because of a sense of deep depression that seized me the day after I posted the writing about the Tibetan Book of the Dead. Although I am a Buddhist who is trying to learn the Way by forgiving,the mortal weaknesses of me--cynicism and ferocious hatred toward the "murderers" or the "imposter" etc. -----got the better of me all of a sudden, and made me feel I couldn't go on any more. And yet,I'm back in here,asking for your forgiveness.I know what I did,and that my sense of depression doesn't justify my abrupt "runaway",so I am ready to accept your criticisms. Nevertheless,I would like to start it all again by moving this topic to the General section as byrdsmaniac kindly suggested. Would all of you forgive me for my childishness and allow me to show this thread to another group of the members to exchange more opinions? After all,I truly love Paul and this forum.I sincerely hope I will be able to hear from you again.Please give me ONE MORE CHANCE Welcome back, totally.
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Post by Perplexed on Aug 19, 2006 6:34:18 GMT
and, Polythene, thanks for bringing our attention to that really beautiful Paul Simon song. One of his most outstanding I always thought.
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Aug 19, 2006 13:07:42 GMT
You're welcome, Doc. A lot of what Simon wrote are songs of reassurance. Now if only I could figure out the answer and get a solution to the more personal problematic question "why am I soft in the middle when the rest of my life is so hard?".
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Aug 19, 2006 20:15:31 GMT
Paul Simon wrote, "I am a Rock". Seems he shares your condition, PaulythenePaul. ;D Torch For Paul[/i][/b] Your name ties in somewhat with the discussion of torches in the article below. I don't know if you'll understand why; it's hard enough to try to understand what it says in English, but maybe you'll see why there's a connection. www.goroadachi.com/etemenanki/blog-05may-temp0531.htmYou wrote: "Although I am a Buddhist who is trying to learn the Way by forgiving,the mortal weaknesses of me --cynicism and ferocious hatred toward the "murderers" or the "imposter" etc. -----got the better of me all of a sudden, and made me feel I couldn't go on any more." There's a Buddha on the cover of Sergeant Pepper, as I'm sure you know. They had respect for what he taught. As for getting upset, who doesn't? John got angry about things on many occassions. You seem to be a sensitive person. Paul must have been too, because you can tell by the music, but also by some of what other musicians wrote about him: "It's not the future that I can see,It's just my fantasy" and "Come on you raver, you seer of visions, come on you painter, you piper, you prisoner, and shine!" He seems to have been a little bit psychic. I'm guessing you might be too, because you can feel the injustice. I think most of us know about what happened, but we don't feel it the way you do. It's understandable if you get angry about it! But let me tell you two things. 1. Don't waste energy getting mad at the imposter. He's trying to keep "Paul" in the peoples' awareness, imo. I don't think he's a villain. If he said who he was, people would forget about Paul after a while. 2. Death isn't as permanent as some would think. Paul might be dead as far as we can tell, but he may be alive in spirit, and doing what he can to make things happen so that his physical death won't matter. In fact, I think we all may be in for a surprise.
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Post by jourdemavie on Aug 20, 2006 3:08:46 GMT
Paulythene Paul and Doc,Thanks a lot for your warm "Welcome back"! And sorry for the late response. Yes,I'm "alright now" I copied the song word by word by hand so I could appreciate it fully.Very beautiful and inspiring.....
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Post by jourdemavie on Aug 20, 2006 10:31:25 GMT
Hello again, byrdsmaniac!Thank you very much for your crisp advice.I really appreciate it,though I consider myself "spiritually-oriented" or " spiritually-conscious" rather than "psychic",because I don't have the ability to communicate with the dead,unfortunately Your name ties in somewhat with the discussion of torches in the article below. I don't know if you'll understand why; it's hard enough to try to understand what it says in English, but maybe you'll see why there's a connection. I got the gist of the web page you showed me,though it did take me a while,and I think I knew what you meant by that.I assume what the author of the web page and I mean by the word "torch" is one that shines a light on the truth for all to see.That is exactly what I named myself after But I'm afraid the following speculation is not correct. There's a Buddha on the cover of Sergeant Pepper, as I'm sure you know. Contrary to the common belief,there is no Buddha on the cover of Sgt. Pepper;the "Japanese stone figure" placed on the left to the "tuba" is a traditional doll called "Fukusuke" ,or "Lucky Boy",if that is what you mean. www.biwa.ne.jp/~katori/fukusuke.jpgIt was one of the "treasures" the Beatles brought back from Japan in 1966.I'm sure of this fact because I saw the picture of it placed in the hotel's suite on a copy of The Beatles in Japan,a photo book by Bob Whitaker,which I have with me. (See detail at news.seejapan.co.uk/newsletter.cfm?issueid=75 ) However,I do believe that the Beatles were desparate to grasp the meaning of life,and that of their "trial" that seems too severe to go through by seeking the teachings of various religions from all over the world.Personally,I am amazed at how this effort helped them produce their progressive works in their later days,adding great insights and some sort of "insanity" flavor to Sgt,Pepper,for instance. (" I'd love to tur-r-r-n yu-u-u-h on...") I don't think he's a villain. If he said who he was, people would forget about Paul after a while. As for this matter,I agree with you only partially.I know I cannot blame Faul entirely,because he actually sacrificed his own life for this duty to maintain the popularity of James Paul to this day.And yet,I can't help but despise him as I learn how he treated the other three in a rather arrogant manner in the film Let It Be and went as far as releasing his "so-called" first solo album,being backed up by the secret service,as described on the Revelation of Sir George.He may not be a "villain",but at least a "scumbag",I guess. I find it especially hard to "forgive" him whenever I watch the Anthology Collection DVD,because he appears so often to distract me from enjoying the beautiful footage and pictures of Paul. However, I will stop whining and being "too sensitive" for now,in the name of the Buddha,God,and of anything that is considered holy I am determined to get by,remembering what you said,believing that Paul is still alive in spirit,never resenting anyone in this world,doing what he can.
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Aug 20, 2006 14:50:37 GMT
Interesting post, Torch, and thank you for the "lucky boy" explanation too.
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Post by Paulythene Paul on Aug 20, 2006 17:22:53 GMT
I'm glad the American Tune lyrics were of some benefit to you, Torch. I'm especially glad you are "alright now". Now I'm off to read the thread you mentioned about Revelation of Sir George. Edit: I could not find it using a google search for... site:60if.proboards21.com "Revelation of Sir George" Did you mean the translation from Hindi or Gujurati or whatever that George Harrison supposedly asked be kept secret until after his death and revealed on June 18th (Paul's birthday)?
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Post by jourdemavie on Aug 20, 2006 17:33:00 GMT
You're welcome, byrdsmaniac.I'm so happy that you enjoyed reading my post,or should I say,my "homework" Speaking of Paul's "ressurection",the NHK(Japan's national broadcasting TV/radio station) had something in store,at least for me It's going to air a TV documentary tomorrow night,which covers the 40th anniversary of the Beatles concert at the Budokan Hall in Tokyo,1966 and how I they spent the days during their visit in details. First,I'm going to savor the rare footage of the live,the one-and-only James Paul and his almost care-free mates,who visited my country fortunately but for the last time,sadly,before the tragic fate tore them apart forever. And then,if possible,I will produce some of the details of the Japan tour which seems believable enough to make some evidence in another thread,as I am very fluent in Japanese,naturally.So look forward to it!
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Post by jourdemavie on Aug 20, 2006 17:50:50 GMT
Paulythene Paul, Now I'm off to read the thread you mentioned about Revelation of Sir George. Edit: I could not find it using a google search for... site:60if.proboards21.com "Revelation of Sir George" Did you mean the translation from Hindi or Gujurati or whatever that George Harrison supposedly asked be kept secret until after his death and revealed on June 18th (Paul's birthday)? Yes,that's exactly what I meant. Here I copy&paste the URL so you can read it right away: pid90066.tripod.com/PM2.htmHope this will be helpful.But be careful not to be depressed again,because this page contains the picture of "JPM's corpse in a ghastly state",because seeing it is always an utterly painful experience. All of us cannot ignore this evidence,though, to understand how the incident happened ... (Incidentally,I made a Google search by the following words to find the web page: " 60if revelation of sir george")
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Post by jourdemavie on Aug 20, 2006 18:12:04 GMT
To ALL,
I am planning on moving this thread to the General section as soon as possible,but I don't know how.Can I move the entire log into another section?Or am I allowed to keep this one and start a copy of it in the General section? Please give me some advice.
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