Heather close to spilling the beans?

[Paul Bearer]

Heather's Rant - The Full Transcript

If you've got a few spare minutes and fancy some entertainment, then print this transcript of Heather Mills' rant off for lunch:

She began the interview with Fiona Phillips and Andrew Castle by protesting about "lies" written about her in the media, including one that her estranged husband billy McCartney had not been aware of her past as a glamour model.

She said: "I am going to basically, just like I changed the law with some like-minded people, anyone that wants to help go to UK.com and you'll see how you can help and sign the petition.

"I need to get everybody to petition that they don't want to be lied to any more by the press. They want their children to grow up in a society where press is just and fair and the size of the lie they print is the size of the apology they have to print.

"And they have to reveal their made-up sources and their so-called friends unless it's a criminal situation, because they make up such lies. They've called me a whore, a golddigger, a fantasist, a liar, the most unbelievably hurtful things, and I've stayed quiet for my daughter.

"But my daughter... we've had death threats, I've been close to suicide. I'm so upset about this... I've had worse press than a paedophile or a murderer and I've done nothing but charity for 20 years.

"I came on here talking about vegetarianism 15 years ago. I sat here and Dr Hilary Jones (GMTV's health and medical adviser) said 'She's crazy, she's talking about wheatgrass and giving up meat and dairy'. And then they want to write that I just suddenly make up vegetarianism to please Paul. You've got footage. Find it, show it.

"It's just everyone has jumped on the bandwagon.

"My sister was crying her eyes out because that awful Jordan and Peter Andre did a joke on Sunday and I've had six amputee girls crying their eyes out because they're getting bullied at school because people are joking about the loss of my limb.

"Jonathan Ross said 'She's such an effing liar, we're going to find out she's got two legs instead of one'.

"I have protected my husband. I know everything and I know the truth. I even got an apology from, because the judge pushed for it, when they said that my petition was a lie. And the size of the apology? 'We're sorry. We now accept that the judge did not throw out any of her claims. She was not portrayed as a liar in court and did not erupt with rage'."

Question: "Listen, there will be people at home saying that at the beginning, Heather, you did use the press...

She answered: "I haven't used the press for anything except my charity. When did I promote a record? When did I act for anything? They always say 'publicity-seeker'. Look at me going to court. My pelvis is bust. You've seen the X-ray, right, which I had to produce because they put in here, 'Heather pulls her leg off', and, you know, talks about her pelvis.

"My pelvis has been broken for a while but I have months when I can walk and months when I can't. It pops out but I can't spend four months on my back in another operation while I'm going through this. This picture (points to her clippings folder) on this front page was taken when the paparazzi pulled the car door open and then they say, Heather tries to pull off a disability thing, when I'm in a blacked-out car hiding under a blanket because I knew I had to go into court and I knew they would turn around and say that she's trying to get publicity.

"It's fine that Paul can walk in going "Are you all right', and I'm hiding and I am the one that is abused daily. I have protected Paul for this long and I am trying to protect him but I am being pushed to the edge and I don't want my daughter when she is 12 going on the internet reading this totally one-sided story.

"I'm up to here with it. My plan is to change the law in the European Parliament and I will do it. And I'm fed-up with the specific portion of the media. Some of them are still supportive but a specific portion are abusing me. I will investigate each and every one of those journalists.

"Everyone jumps on the bandwagon, makes money out of my misery."

GMTV: "I know that, and I know you're upset and I know you're only human, which is what people are forgetting. But during the coverage of the divorce case they have been saying that you want £50 million...

She replies: "I have been offered nothing, OK, nothing. We go to court, nothing to do with that. We go to court over my daughter. I'm not allowed to talk about it because it's a criminal act if I talk about my daughter. You have no idea what's going on. These figures are made up... £100 million, £50 million, £20 million. How do you know if I even want any money? I'm £1.5 million in debt in lawyers' fees, and that's as much as I can say or I go to jail, for telling the truth. "So I'm gagged at the moment because I'm not allowed to say a word while the media are fed this spin by a certain corner."

GMTV: "One of the clauses, apparently, in this whole divorce thing, is that you want to be able to sell your story...

She replied: "It's rubbish. I can sell my story right now. I'm trying to protect Paul and our daughter. I am trying, and I'm being pushed to the edge.

"Eighteen months of abuse, 4,400 abusive articles.

"Look what they're doing to the McCanns. The woman has lost, and the poor father, have lost their daughter. What are we doing as a nation?

"What are we doing persecuting a woman that is devastated behind closed doors and trying to hold it together, as I have for 18 months.

"What did the paparazzi do to Diana? They chased her and they killed her.

"Never mind all these other stories, that is what we are doing as a nation, buying these newspapers. Every time you buy one of those, you contribute to it. So force a change for responsible journalism."

"Rupert Murdoch, when he bought that newspaper, is quoted as saying 'I can't believe how easy it was to get in the British media. I can't believe it and I promise you I will always give you honest and straightforward journalism'. Nothing like it.

"And they will go for me tomorrow and they'll go she's crazy and she's this and she's that... Go for it, because I will do even more.

"Sorry I got upset. I'm so up to here. Can you imagine being persecuted for that long." (Programme goes to a break)

"One of the guys, who I had convicted for assault - which they thought I wouldn't follow through to the end - had 132 convictions.

"132 convictions and he's hired with no licence. They have to be licensed, because how do I know when someone's sitting outside my house if they're a stalker or not?

"It is living in a prison. "The only respite I got was going to America, and I did Dancing With The Stars because our charity was so damaged that we needed the money.

"I was the only person on the show that gave the money to charity, and then they wanted to turn that into something awful - 'Get lost mucka', says the Sun.

"I've got 4,000 cuttings, like "Mucka cha cha". "How do they mean 'Mucka' for doing glamour modelling, and they say it's hardcore porn!

"I would live in America in two seconds but I live here to keep my daughter close to her father. "I compromise everything - you have no idea how much I have done to compromise.

"I have a box of evidence that's going to a certain person should anything happen to me, so if you top me off, it's still going to that person, and the truth will come out.

"There is so much fear from a certain party of the truth coming out that lots of things have been put out and done, so the police came round and said 'you have had serious death threats from an underground movement'.

"I was like 'Are you serious?', and they said 'Here's the 999 number', but I never rang the 999 number, I always rang the 0845 number.

"The press write I'm crying wolf for 999 calls, when the police came to me to tell me I had death threats and I had to be careful.

"That means my daughter's life is at risk, because she's with me all the time.

"Could I get security? No. "Did I have to go to the bank and borrow it? Yes.

"It's disgusting, it's absolutely disgusting. "Who created those death threats? The media.

"A certain part of the tabloid media created such a hate campaign against me, it put my life and my daughter's life at risk.

"That's why I considered killing myself, because I thought if I was dead, at least my daughter would be safe.

"And that is the truth, and I've got nothing to lose.

"I've got 300 friends who came to my daughter's party, and they are biting their tongues not to talk, because they're so loyal.

"Even a journalist said to my publicist 'Her friends are so loyal, we can't even get them to say a word.

"Whereas other people's so-called friends are putting stuff out right, left and centre. "I just hope everybody goes on UK.com and starts taking responsibility for what we're going to feed our children for the next 20 years.

"We don't want them to live in a celebrity culture unless that celebrity is going to be used in life to make a difference in the finite amount of seconds we have left on the planet."

Haven't been able to find the full video yet...

[interzone]

Well she's pretty stupid if she thought she could just come out and "spill the beans" just like that without having to pay big time.

'you have had serious death threats from an underground movement' LOL

Looks like they're setting up the old "Lone nutjobs/wackos are going to bump you off" set up when once again, it's really the TPTB that would want her silenced.

[paulsleftfoot]

I saw her on headline news last night.I agree she's going to be set up to look like a nut.Even if she spilled the beans who would believe her?Her ex was a beatle he walks on water.Besides she stands to lose money if the truth was told.She does have a kid by the man.

[blujayway]

hey, just a question---has anyone here seen the yellow submarine??? If so, i would like to discuss a few things from the movie.
thanx

[defhermit]

I thought the same thing when I heard her say that. I think it's also possible that she is just talking about allegations that there are audio tapes where Linda McCartney says Faul hit her.

[Sun King™]

Waiting for a Heather replacement now.
As it recently was for Phil Spector

[Paul Bearer]

sunking said:

Waiting for a Heather replacement now.
As it recently was for Phil Spector

Oh really?

[blujayway]

Obviously, Heather is not the smartest, and rather weak minded in my opinion.

If she was semi-intelligent she would have seen all of this coming and used a more sophisticated approach, eh?

One thing i have learned is that If you approach any situation (no matter how difficult) with carefully calculated & thought out planning, most times you will reach your intended outcome. Or, at least have a better chance at achieving it.

The way she is going about this entire mess, I feel like she is only doing all of this out of spite & selfish personal reasons, not for the benefit of the general public.

[blujayway]

or even her daughter @ that point. this is all about Heather---she's done it to herself once again.

[Perplexed]

blujayway said:

Obviously, Heather is not the smartest, and rather weak minded in my opinion.

If she was semi-intelligent she would have seen all of this coming and used a more sophisticated approach, eh?

One thing i have learned is that If you approach any situation (no matter how difficult) with carefully calculated & thought out planning, most times you will reach your intended outcome. Or, at least have a better chance at achieving it.

The way she is going about this entire mess, I feel like she is only doing all of this out of spite & selfish personal reasons, not for the benefit of the general public.

It's been a bit scattershot, wouldn't you say?

[blujayway]

yeah......... sorry.

[blujayway]

wait, me or heather?

[Soothsayer]

blujayway said:

"Obviously, Heather is not the smartest, and rather weak minded in my opinion."
"If she was semi-intelligent she would have seen all of this coming and used a more sophisticated approach, eh?"

Well., I think if anyone suddenly realised that the man they thought they'd married, turned out to be the lousy doppelganger of a major superstar, (whose musical capabilities would be more suited to hammering out cabaret honky-tonk on an old joanna at a Butlin's holiday camp), with an ego the size of mount olympus, & a tyrannical streak to boot, they too would be hopping mad; (no pun intended). Heather is doing what we are all trying to do, & that is, expose the truth & the injustice of this whole miserable saga; OK, so she's going about it the wrong way & making an arse of herself, probably due to her agenda being a more personal one than ours.

Perhaps she would be deemed "smarter" & less "weak minded" if she took the collossal sums of money thrown at her, lived the rest of her life in luxury on a remote island somewhere, & kept her big mouth shut, ayeee?? (like so many other unscrupulous "celebrities" have done before her).,
Unfortunately, she has opted to unload all her emotional baggage on anyone that willl listen, no doubt in the vain hope that the public's sense of decency & morality will be understandably enraged, & thus sympathetic to her gloomy stuation.
Tragically, as we know, the world hasn't fully woken up to the real behind-the-scenes action, & she is fighting a losing battle. After the dark ones have had their fun with her, she will no doubt develop a terminal illness at an early age, or come to a pre-planned sticky end.. we've seen it all before with people that won't put up & shut up..

[glow=red,2,300]Message to Heather if you read this forum;.. [/glow] Go somewhere quiet, stay out of the limelight, TRUST NO-ONE (esp new acquaintances), remain composed, & plan your next move from there. The whole world is NOT against you, not everyone is as thick as shi*e, there are are plenty of us sheeples in the know, ya know, & just as keen to expose the baaaaastards as you are.

[Paul Bearer]

Well said, Soothsayer.

[blujayway]

soothsayer said:

blujayway said:

"Obviously, Heather is not the smartest, and rather weak minded in my opinion."
"If she was semi-intelligent she would have seen all of this coming and used a more sophisticated approach, eh?"

Well., I think if anyone suddenly realised that the man they thought they'd married, turned out to be the lousy doppelganger of a major superstar, (whose musical capabilities would be more suited to hammering out cabaret honky-tonk on an old joanna at a Butlin's holiday camp), with an ego the size of mount olympus, & a tyrannical streak to boot, they too would be hopping mad; (no pun intended). Heather is doing what we are all trying to do, & that is, expose the truth & the injustice of this whole miserable saga; OK, so she's going about it the wrong way & making an arse of herself, probably due to her agenda being a more personal one than ours.

Perhaps she would be deemed "smarter" & less "weak minded" if she took the collossal sums of money thrown at her, lived the rest of her life in luxury on a remote island somewhere, & kept her big mouth shut, ayeee?? (like so many other unscrupulous "celebrities" have done before her).,
Unfortunately, she has opted to unload all her emotional baggage on anyone that willl listen, no doubt in the vain hope that the public's sense of decency & morality will be understandably enraged, & thus sympathetic to her gloomy stuation.
Tragically, as we know, the world hasn't fully woken up to the real behind-the-scenes action, & she is fighting a losing battle. After the dark ones have had their fun with her, she will no doubt develop a terminal illness at an early age, or come to a pre-planned sticky end.. we've seen it all before with people that won't put up & shut up..

[glow=red,2,300]Message to Heather if you read this forum;.. [/glow] Go somewhere quiet, stay out of the limelight, TRUST NO-ONE (esp new acquaintances), remain composed, & plan your next move from there. The whole world is NOT against you, not everyone is as thick as shi*e, there are are plenty of us sheeples in the know, ya know, & just as keen to expose the baaaaastards as you are.

Alright soothsayer, a valid point, there is no doubt there.

But keep in mind, there is always two sides to any story.

On that note, & for the sake of holding "fair trial" (for lack of a better word), I write to you and anyone else who's listening, with the best of intentions of course-

Not to turn all Dr.Phill on you or anything buuuuuttttt...........

--I do not blame Heather for her reaction to the truth. Of course it is only natural to be shocked,frustrated & yes even angered when learning that the man one's married turns out to be a completely different person. Perfectly understandable. But it does raise a few questions in my mind of what her true intentions were in that marriage. Or what the foundation of their marriage was in fact based upon. In other words -To marry a celebrity or To marry her one true love? (a fair question i think all things being considered)

If you think about it, the Paul is Dead rumors date back to when he was with Linda (a real woman) So she couldn't have been completely shocked if & when he decided to let the cat out of the bag.

Now, when it comes to matters of the heart, I am sure we can all agree, it gets quite complicated, granted. But the way I see it is that, when you have love for someone, & (I mean real love, the real deal, you know what I mean, the kind that one is lucky enough to have even once in a lifetime) it transcends all images,materials, and past experiences associated with that person. Mock me if you want, but everyone has that one person in their life that they will always love and be there for no matter what.

Personally, when I love someone there is just about nothing that can deter me from being in their arms. Even if i was told that they were in fact someone else, a bum, a transvestite, a unic, or even a goat at one point in their life, it would never actually change my love for them. Truth be told, I would probably feel relieved & happy to know that they trusted me enough to even share it, considering the context & risk they would be taking in doing so. That's just me, not everyone thinks that way or will agree. Yet, by putting a relationship through such an event, you get to see people's true colors & the true strength of their bond.

To be fair to Heather, we don't really know if that is why they split. We are all just assuming here. He could have cheated, or done something else....She could have also----whatever? That is between the two of them.
But therein lies my point, All of this should have been kept a private matter, as much as it possibly could have considering their celeb status, if only to protect herself, which is what she seems to be soooo incredibly concerned about.

She also keeps announcing how he's lying to the public etc. etc. , as if he is the mastermind behind the entire charade. As if responsibility & blame lies solely in his hands. The true responsibility lies in the hands of the PUBLIC, who in my opinion can't handle the truth & aren't ready for it either way. Furthermore, I think that if it were as simple as him coming forth and spilling the beans he would have already done so. Maybe he is just looking out for the welfare of his own family. Give the man the benefit of the doubt here> For heaven's sake, it's in all of his lyrics & albums & a handfulls of interviews. He's been saying it without actually having to spell it out for us for years now. Wasn't it Lenin who wrote "There's nothing you can say, but you can learn how to play the game" Maybe heather should have taken some advice from John, and learned how to play the game before tossing the ball into the field, hmmmm?

As far as accepting A "large some of money" in exchange for her silence and living the rest of her life on a remote Island----That is not what I am getting at here.

Look, not to quote the Beatles but she "should have known better, with a " situation like this. I'm not saying she should shut up up, take the money & run, but that may have been her best option until a more sophisticated (let alone safer) approach could be concocted.
Is that not unreasonable? Know how to play your cards. (not that this is a game of poker by any means, to make myself clear it is just a metaphor)

Consider what your up against, No? Playing this divorce out (considering her already slandered image by the media --or herself) should have been tackled like an intricate game of chess, if she really desired to come out on top. You have got to be two steps ahead of your opponent at all times. Of course, this is easier said than done..... but the way she shoots her mouth off & acts on pure impulsive emotion just reveals how strong a "player" she really is. I hate to say it, but she brings it on herself-----All she has really done with her incesant ranting & raving is handed herself over on a silver platter, so to speak. She has single handedly aided in the creation of an unstable image for herself, that has consequently opened many doors to possible "solutions" for dealing with her.

Had she remained strong & composed she would have had a much better chance, if she ever even had one to begin with. It's not like she's the first one to be chastised by the media, it is her choice to let it affect her or not.

To change subjects here for a minute--

You know, i've been following this forum for a while now, and one thing has come to my attention. I have noticed that everyone seems to share a very one dimentional perspective about Bill/Faul's life. Most fail to step out of their comfort zone, & put themselves in Bill/Paul's shoes for even one second. Yeah it's glamorous blah blah blah... that must loose it's luster somewhere down the line. Humor me for one minute. Just imagine, every morning looking in the mirror at someone else's face & having to play a role, indefinetly. It must be tiring. Never knowing if your spouses love you, never knowing if your fans really like your music for what it is or merely for the image attached to it that society & other underlying third parties have manufactured. Being told that who you are naturally just doesn't measure up, thats gotta be rough, wouldn't you say? Think about everything you say & do being held up to a specific standard & critiqued with the thought in mind "Is that right? or should he be more like this?" It must be awfully lonely, having to abandon one's identity for the preservation of another. Your basically saying that the other's is more important than the real person you truly are. How do you stay true to ones self in such a condition? He must be strong as It probably proves to be difficult not to get lost in translation. Either way, maybe you should ease up on the lad. He's got enough on his plate. just a thought, that's all.

How can anyone hold themselves in comparison to the true genius that was James Paul McCartney? You just can't, all you can do is the best that you can, which i think he more than did. Don't hold it against him, i don't believe any of this was his fault, he was only a kid when he signed up for the part. He couldn't have possibly known the extent of it.

And as far as him being a "lousy doppelganger" "(whose musical capabilities would be more suited to hammering out cabaret honky-tonk on an old joanna at a Butlin's holiday camp), with an ego the size of mount olympus, & a tyrannical streak to boot--
well....temper... temper.

I think that statement is Complete Blasphemy. (in the nicest possible way of course )
First of all, under all of that pressure, you can be sure to loose your head & pick up a few bad habits along the way.
& If he were so incredibly lousy, he wouldn't still be here today, pumping out chart topping hits, that I myself am a fan of, yes including wings. i thought Memory Almost Full was amazing, to say the least.

So I think i have stated my incredibly long drawn out opinion.

Forgive me for making it so long everyone.

either way, I hope I am not coming across the wrong way soothsayer, i just wanted to state an alternative point of view.

can you blame me?

[Soothsayer]

Ok, in the 1st instance, the motives behind their marriage (for either party), is of no consequence to the real issue of this thread.. The fact remains that HM is being portrayed in the media as an emotionally unstable wreck, in genuine fear for her life, as a result of information that she claims to know, & she should not be put in that position regardless of whether people like her or not.. Regarding the 'paul is dead' rumors, I think you'll find that the majority of people bought the idea of it being an elaborate hoax, & thought nothing more of it. The generation that were the youth of the 60's & 70's may have noticed a change in Paul's appearance, but it wasn't (as far as I'm aware) discussed openly. When I told my mum a few months ago, that the Paul Mccartney we see today is not the original one, she stated that she "did wonder what had happened to him," & added "he used to be such a handsome young lad with a baby face, I put it down to the drink & drugs making him age badly.."now whilst this comment made me fall off my chair with laughter, bizarrely enough, it is a common response from many older people when presented with the concept of Faul not being Paul., my point being, it is very unlikey that HM gave any credence to the PID question being a younger woman in her 30's, before she married him. The only reason the PID rumors are now holding water & being discussed again, is largely due to new scientific evidence being presented ie; voice & photo comparisons, observations made involving the bizarre editing & deleting of archived film footage/photos etc, & new witness statements being presented, which were not available at the time.

BlueJay, I have to say I find some of your comments slightly worrying,
particularly those below;

"She also keeps announcing how he's lying to the public etc. etc. , as if he is the mastermind behind the entire charade. As if responsibility & blame lies solely in his hands. The true responsibility lies in the hands of the PUBLIC, who in my opinion can't handle the truth & aren't ready for it either way. Furthermore, I think that if it were as simple as him coming forth and spilling the beans he would have already done so. Maybe he is just looking out for the welfare of his own family."

On the issue of looking out for his family, how is he actually looking out for the welfare of his daughter Beatrice??. Her mother with whom she resides, is on the verge of a nervous breakdown, & in fear for hers & her daughter's life, as a result of death threaths & smear campaigns, all due to his sordid carry-ons & the fact that he hasn't got the balls to speak up, or offer the woman any kind of support.
Also, please explain to me how this total mess is the responsibility of the public, who have very little knowledge of the whole affair??.. and, who are YOU to suggest that the public can't handle the truth & aren't ready for it ??., how insulting to people everywhere, you are aware of roswell, area 51, the freedom of information act, presumably? To say that your opinion is naive would be an understatement.., O yeah, & regarding my thoughts on Faul being more suited to cabaret, theres no temper involved, I can assure you, it's simply my opinion, I love watching Faul banging one out, it always gives me a good laugh.

[Sun King™]

soothsayer said:

Ok, in the 1st instance, the motives behind their marriage (for either party), is of no consequence to the real issue of this thread.. The fact remains that HM is being portrayed in the media as an emotionally unstable wreck, in genuine fear for her life, as a result of information that she claims to know, & she should not be in put in that position regardless of whether people like her or not.. Regarding the 'paul is dead' rumors, I think you'll find that the majority of people bought the idea of it being an elaborate hoax, & thought nothing more of it. The generation that were the youth of the 60's & 70's may have noticed a change in Paul's appearance, but it wasn't (as far as I'm aware) discussed openly. When I told my mum a few months ago, that the Paul Mccartney we see today is not the original one, she stated that she "did wonder what had happened to him," & added "he used to be such a handsome young lad with a baby face, I put it down to the drink & drugs making him age badly.."now whilst this comment made me fall off my chair with laughter, bizarrely enough, it is a common response from many older people when presented with the concept of Faul not being Paul., my point being, it is very unlikey that HM gave any credence to the PID question being a younger woman in her 30's, before she married him. The only reason the PID rumors are now holding water & being discussed again, is largely due to new scientific evidence being presented ie; voice & photo comparisons, observations made involving the bizarre editing & deleting of archived film footage/photos etc, & new witness statements being presented, which were not available at the time.

BlueJay, I have to say I find some of your comments slightly worrying,
particularly those below;

"She also keeps announcing how he's lying to the public etc. etc. , as if he is the mastermind behind the entire charade. As if responsibility & blame lies solely in his hands. The true responsibility lies in the hands of the PUBLIC, who in my opinion can't handle the truth & aren't ready for it either way. Furthermore, I think that if it were as simple as him coming forth and spilling the beans he would have already done so. Maybe he is just looking out for the welfare of his own family."

On the issue of looking out for his family, how is he actually looking out for the welfare of his daughter Beatrice??. Her mother with whom she resides, is on the verge of a nervous breakdown, & in fear for hers & her daughter's life, as a result of death threaths & smear campaigns, all due to his sordid carry-ons & the fact that he hasn't got the balls to speak up, or offer the woman any kind of support.
Also, please explain to me how this total mess is the responsibility of the public, who have very little knowledge of the whole affair??.. and, who are YOU to suggest that the public can't handle the truth & aren't ready for it ??., how insulting to people everywhere, you are aware of roswell, area 51, the freedom of information act, presumably? To say that your opinion is naive would be an understatement.., O yeah, & regarding my thoughts on Faul being more suited to cabaret, theres no temper involved, I can assure you, it's simply my opinion, I love watching Faul banging one out, it always gives me a good laugh.

Post that makes me proud of this forum.

Thank You Soothsayer

[Soothsayer]

Awww shucks., I'm grateful M'Lud. ;D

[blujayway]

soothsayer said:

Ok, in the 1st instance, the motives behind their marriage (for either party), is of no consequence to the real issue of this thread.. The fact remains that HM is being portrayed in the media as an emotionally unstable wreck, in genuine fear for her life, as a result of information that she claims to know, & she should not be put in that position regardless of whether people like her or not.. Regarding the 'paul is dead' rumors, I think you'll find that the majority of people bought the idea of it being an elaborate hoax, & thought nothing more of it. The generation that were the youth of the 60's & 70's may have noticed a change in Paul's appearance, but it wasn't (as far as I'm aware) discussed openly. When I told my mum a few months ago, that the Paul Mccartney we see today is not the original one, she stated that she "did wonder what had happened to him," & added "he used to be such a handsome young lad with a baby face, I put it down to the drink & drugs making him age badly.."now whilst this comment made me fall off my chair with laughter, bizarrely enough, it is a common response from many older people when presented with the concept of Faul not being Paul., my point being, it is very unlikey that HM gave any credence to the PID question being a younger woman in her 30's, before she married him. The only reason the PID rumors are now holding water & being discussed again, is largely due to new scientific evidence being presented ie; voice & photo comparisons, observations made involving the bizarre editing & deleting of archived film footage/photos etc, & new witness statements being presented, which were not available at the time.

BlueJay, I have to say I find some of your comments slightly worrying,
particularly those below;

"She also keeps announcing how he's lying to the public etc. etc. , as if he is the mastermind behind the entire charade. As if responsibility & blame lies solely in his hands. The true responsibility lies in the hands of the PUBLIC, who in my opinion can't handle the truth & aren't ready for it either way. Furthermore, I think that if it were as simple as him coming forth and spilling the beans he would have already done so. Maybe he is just looking out for the welfare of his own family."

On the issue of looking out for his family, how is he actually looking out for the welfare of his daughter Beatrice??. Her mother with whom she resides, is on the verge of a nervous breakdown, & in fear for hers & her daughter's life, as a result of death threaths & smear campaigns, all due to his sordid carry-ons & the fact that he hasn't got the balls to speak up, or offer the woman any kind of support.
Also, please explain to me how this total mess is the responsibility of the public, who have very little knowledge of the whole affair??.. and, who are YOU to suggest that the public can't handle the truth & aren't ready for it ??., how insulting to people everywhere, you are aware of roswell, area 51, the freedom of information act, presumably? To say that your opinion is naive would be an understatement.., O yeah, & regarding my thoughts on Faul being more suited to cabaret, theres no temper involved, I can assure you, it's simply my opinion, I love watching Faul banging one out, it always gives me a good laugh.

Tisk tisk, and i thought you would have an open mind.

Look, Paul being replaces is just the tip of the iceberg.

The real truth is something only a few people get a real glance at, and as far as the general public goes, well ignorance is bliss.

Most people like their safe little world manufactured for them, it takes the responsibility out of their hands.

And i am not speaking on behalf of the general population, who could?

The point is that every year that goes by, the number of people who want answers to these questions are growing dramatically.

Thanks to these websites, revolutionary film makers & others spreading the word.

Eventually we will reach a point where they will have no choice in the matter, it will hit a "boilling point".

All I was trying to say is that we have yet to fully achieve that level of unified revolt.

When the public is ready, they will put their foot down, i have no doubt about that.

until then, looks like the majority of the people out there will sooner tune in to American Idol.

Is it not the truth?

[blujayway]

sunking said:

soothsayer said:

Ok, in the 1st instance, the motives behind their marriage (for either party), is of no consequence to the real issue of this thread.. The fact remains that HM is being portrayed in the media as an emotionally unstable wreck, in genuine fear for her life, as a result of information that she claims to know, & she should not be in put in that position regardless of whether people like her or not.. Regarding the 'paul is dead' rumors, I think you'll find that the majority of people bought the idea of it being an elaborate hoax, & thought nothing more of it. The generation that were the youth of the 60's & 70's may have noticed a change in Paul's appearance, but it wasn't (as far as I'm aware) discussed openly. When I told my mum a few months ago, that the Paul Mccartney we see today is not the original one, she stated that she "did wonder what had happened to him," & added "he used to be such a handsome young lad with a baby face, I put it down to the drink & drugs making him age badly.."now whilst this comment made me fall off my chair with laughter, bizarrely enough, it is a common response from many older people when presented with the concept of Faul not being Paul., my point being, it is very unlikey that HM gave any credence to the PID question being a younger woman in her 30's, before she married him. The only reason the PID rumors are now holding water & being discussed again, is largely due to new scientific evidence being presented ie; voice & photo comparisons, observations made involving the bizarre editing & deleting of archived film footage/photos etc, & new witness statements being presented, which were not available at the time.

BlueJay, I have to say I find some of your comments slightly worrying,
particularly those below;

"She also keeps announcing how he's lying to the public etc. etc. , as if he is the mastermind behind the entire charade. As if responsibility & blame lies solely in his hands. The true responsibility lies in the hands of the PUBLIC, who in my opinion can't handle the truth & aren't ready for it either way. Furthermore, I think that if it were as simple as him coming forth and spilling the beans he would have already done so. Maybe he is just looking out for the welfare of his own family."

On the issue of looking out for his family, how is he actually looking out for the welfare of his daughter Beatrice??. Her mother with whom she resides, is on the verge of a nervous breakdown, & in fear for hers & her daughter's life, as a result of death threaths & smear campaigns, all due to his sordid carry-ons & the fact that he hasn't got the balls to speak up, or offer the woman any kind of support.
Also, please explain to me how this total mess is the responsibility of the public, who have very little knowledge of the whole affair??.. and, who are YOU to suggest that the public can't handle the truth & aren't ready for it ??., how insulting to people everywhere, you are aware of roswell, area 51, the freedom of information act, presumably? To say that your opinion is naive would be an understatement.., O yeah, & regarding my thoughts on Faul being more suited to cabaret, theres no temper involved, I can assure you, it's simply my opinion, I love watching Faul banging one out, it always gives me a good laugh.

Post that makes me proud of this forum.

Thank You Soothsayer

So this forum was made to....... bash Paul for being a phoney?

I thought it was for exposing the importance of the charade as it relates to a deeper rooted problem in the music industry, hollywood & ultimately the powers that keep the public in a waking sleep?

guess i was wrong again, eh?

[blujayway]

One more thing-

Boo Hoo, poor Heather, I feel soooo sorry for her terrible life.

Smarten up or shut it up--

[Soothsayer]

Who feels sorry for Heather? I certainly don't., I just believe that the situatuation that she's in is not entirely her own doing & that her behaviour is demonstrative of that. Please don't come onto a forum that you've joined a month ago, which a lot of people have put a great deal of time & effort into, to tell other members who don't happen to agree with your opinions, that they should "smarten up or shut up", not only is it rude & ignorant, but it's also unconstructive.

[Paul Bearer]

Recent posts seem to assume that HM didn't know Faul was an imposter until she married him. I beg to differ on this one. This is just my theory but I think she knew fully well he was an imposter because she was assigned to marry him, just like Linda was. Only this time Faul is not happy with the handler he has been given and has had enough. Under this scenario Heather's programming is collapsing.

[Soothsayer]

Well, that would explain why she is the only person left in the UK that seemingly believes Diana was killed by the paparazzi., it was one of several things she's said that were niggling me, as I couldn't understand how someone in her situation could be so naive. To be honest, I was actually starting to question her agenda. PB, your theory certainly makes sense to me.

[blujayway]

soothsayer said:

Who feels sorry for Heather? I certainly don't., I just believe that the situatuation that she's in is not entirely her own doing & that her behaviour is demonstrative of that. Please don't come onto a forum that you've joined a month ago, which a lot of people have put a great deal of time & effort into, to tell other members who don't happen to agree with your opinions, that they should "smarten up or shut up", not only is it rude & ignorant, but it's also unconstructive.

Just to clarify-- I meant HEATHER should shut it up not you!

I really hope you don't think i am that incredibly rude, I am well aware of the effort put into this forum, as I am a contributor myself.

Forgive me, I didn't realize it looks like i directed it at you, not my intention.

sorry buddy

And I completely agree the situation she's in is not entirely her own doing.