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Post by xpt626 on Sept 28, 2003 18:38:24 GMT
thanks, victor. BTW, I didn't ask because I thought you were bashing John (I didn't), I just did not know this story. Thanks for the background info.
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Post by googoo on Sept 28, 2003 20:04:12 GMT
a quote from John (on "Getting Better"):
It is a diary form of writing. All that 'I used to be cruel to my woman, I beat her and kept her apart from the things that she loved' was me. I used to be cruel to my woman, and physically... any woman. I was a hitter. I couldn't express myself and I hit. I fought men and I hit women. That is why I am always on about peace, you see. It is the most violent people who go for love and peace. Everything's the opposite. But I sincerely believe in love and peace. I am a violent man who has learned not to be violent and regrets his violence. I will have to be a lot older before I can face in public how I treated women as a youngster.
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Post by JamesPaul & Brian on Sept 28, 2003 20:30:00 GMT
After ALL that happened to me and Brian, John really became misogynist
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Post by MrMustard on Sept 28, 2003 23:29:51 GMT
VICTOR. You have no right to insult the memory of John Lennon. You have no feeling, compassion, or understanding of what John Lennon was about as a person. He made the greatest contributions to music, society, modern culture, and social awareness. John Lennon gave a sh*t so much about PITIFUL PEOPLE LIKE YOU that he earned himself an FBI surveilance file THOUSANDS of pages long. He earned himself 5 bullets in the back because he was a symbol of what people SHOULD ASPIRE TO BE BUT CANNOT RISE TO IT. THIS MAN WAS LOVED BY PEOPLE WHO WOULD NEVER MEET HIM. CAN YOU SAY THE SAME ABOUT YOURSELF? You have NO F*cking idea what you are talking about. You should be ashamed of your lack of intelligence and superficial unawareness. I couldn't have said it better myself! EXCELLENT post! ;D
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Post by eyesbleed on Sept 29, 2003 2:58:12 GMT
they didn't care about distraught fans by replacing mccartney; they sold out in the worst way for THEMSELVES and in my book they lose loads of respect for doing it. whereas once i used to regard them as counter-culture icons, i'm now forced to reappraise them in light of all this new evidence. LOL....counter culture icons? sadly, 60IF portrays them as little more than pawns of the establishment....with not much more autonomy than those beatle dolls they used to sell back in the 60's. But you don't have any idea of what it was that had them & other family members agreeing to keep it quiet. None of us do. For me that's the biggest mystery of all. But trying to put myself into their shoes....Could I agree to something so crazy if it meant a brighter future & more security for my daughter & grand-daughter? Maybe the possibility of harm coming to them if I didn't play the game forced upon me..........? DAMN STRAIGHT! I could & would agree to do what I'm supposed to do without a second thought. Just think, ya just lost yer best friend, so who's next? I dunno, The Beatles don't seem like willing participants to me.
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Post by victor on Sept 29, 2003 4:32:24 GMT
"...what it was that had them & other family members agreeing to keep it quiet. None of us do. For me that's the biggest mystery of all...."
yes. the P.I.D. thing adds up marvelously in terms of forensic and audio-video evidence... but then we come to that human dimension.
LOL, maybe no one ever ASKED paul's family and friends back then about the replacement rumor? there hasn't been any talk of a coverup for over 30 years for them to deal with, if there ever was.
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Oct 1, 2003 4:08:56 GMT
the man who exclaimed, "all i want is the truth, just give me some truth" would know why i wrote those words... I DON'T WANT CLUES from lennon, ian, i want truth. the song dosen't say "just give me some half-assed, beat around the bush B.S. about paul", ian. it dosen't say "all i want is watered-down, vague references to paul", ian. it says "just give the TRUTH", ian. DID lennon give us the truth ian? NO. by the way, do you think the fact that lennon almost blugeoned someone to death at a party might have raised a few eyebrows in our government? do you think his being a violent wifebeating s.o.b. BY HIS OWN ADMISSION merited a little scrutiny by our authorities? On a personal level, YOU'RE AN IDIOT. I JUST GAVE YOU YOUR TRUTH. SWALLOW IT. Getting into bar brawls does not constitute FBI surveilance and THOUSANDS of pages of records. People like YOU, VIKTOR, should just go back to listening to Metallica or some equally-brain dead music. It takes a pathetic, self-hating person to try and knock a John Lennon down a peg, such as you have done. You suck. Go pop a zit in the mirror; do something constructive.
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Oct 1, 2003 4:11:47 GMT
Perhaps this thread should be titled: Dear Faul, Please Read and have a laugh as your exposers squabble among themselves Or, perhaps it could be titled, "I overlooked a TROLL named VICTOR and was so laid-back Number 9 has to return to salvage the site?"
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Post by victor on Oct 1, 2003 5:34:43 GMT
i stand by what i said. IF paul died and was replaced, your hero lennon was an a$$hole for not doing more about it. and cuddly-cutesy ringo, and mystic george too. put that in your pipe and smoke it.
of course, there's always the chance the whole P.I.D. thing is just an incredible crock of $h!t, in which case we can all have a laugh at ourselves (ho ho ho ha ha ha)
why is it so bad to have a huge FBI file on you?
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Post by Revolver on Oct 1, 2003 5:45:37 GMT
Victor, I enjoy skepticsm, but your attitude needs a scaling back a little, please dont take offense.
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Post by Forum Manager on Oct 1, 2003 15:47:52 GMT
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Post by Eggman on Oct 1, 2003 18:31:04 GMT
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Post by JakesBrie on Oct 1, 2003 23:26:47 GMT
Welcome back, Number 9. Missed you. Hope all is well.
Brie
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Post by unrepentant on Oct 4, 2003 19:00:34 GMT
"It takes a pathetic, self-hating person to try and knock a John Lennon down a peg, such as you have done."
i am half-serious when i say this, ian:
if you are so damn committed to protecting the memory of lennon, why don't you advocate taking this board down? and why don't you advise andrew to do the same with his site?
after all, the "memory of john lennon" is going to take a bit of a beating after 60IF is proven, as i feel it WILL be within a couple of years. aren't you you are adding fuel to that fire?
don't you think a lot of people are going to echo my sentiments, and re-appraise lennon and the others as a little bit deceitful ?? as just a teenie, weenie, LITTLE BIT dishonest?
if you think a couple of posts worth of beatle-bashing from ME are too much, what are you going to do when there's tens of thousands from other people in a couple of years? when there's a million? i say what happened to the beatles in the 60's after that "jesus" remark will be nothing compared to what 60IF does to their memory.
LMAO, i am starting to have a higher opinion of FAUL than of the other beatles...really. i mean, if a shoplifter is ENCOURAGED to steal and allowed to go on a neverending shopping spree everywhere he goes, can you BLAME him? too bad one of my family weren't better paul impersonators than bill sheppard; i would be living on easy street today.
you may now ban me for life from the forum [i'd miss my private messages, though].
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Post by SunKing on Oct 5, 2003 0:15:20 GMT
"It takes a pathetic, self-hating person to try and knock a John Lennon down a peg, such as you have done." i am half-serious when i say this, ian: if you are so damn committed to protecting the memory of lennon, why don't you advocate taking this board down? and why don't you advise andrew to do the same with his site? after all, the "memory of john lennon" is going to take a bit of a beating after 60IF is proven, as i feel it WILL be within a couple of years. aren't you you are adding fuel to that fire? don't you think a lot of people are going to echo my sentiments, and re-appraise lennon and the others as a little bit deceitful ?? as just a teenie, weenie, LITTLE BIT dishonest? if you think a couple of posts worth of beatle-bashing from ME are too much, what are you going to do when there's tens of thousands from other people in a couple of years? when there's a million? i say what happened to the beatles in the 60's after that "jesus" remark will be nothing compared to what 60IF does to their memory. LMAO, i am starting to have a higher opinion of FAUL than of the other beatles...really. i mean, if a shoplifter is ENCOURAGED to steal and allowed to go on a neverending shopping spree everywhere he goes, can you BLAME him? too bad one of my family weren't better paul impersonators than bill sheppard; i would be living on easy street today. you may now ban me for life from the forum [i'd miss my private messages, though]. Why we have to ban you, Victor? It's strange but you and Ian are BOTH my friends! I like Ian's opinions and I do respect your opinions. Trolls for me are only who try to spread lies not who says his opinions.
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Oct 5, 2003 17:29:03 GMT
TO: UNREPENTANT
You see, your fatal flaw is that you assume you KNOW IT ALL about this case/situation, and can effortlessly pass historical judgement upon the massive legacy of John Lennon with a key-stroke of your computer.
Lennon's historical position for all time will need no protection when 60IF is confirmed. This case in point (60IF) is so damned complex and multi-layered, none of us here KNOWS the complete story. None of us can claim to have ALL THE ANSWERS. Only a FOOL and a truly ignorant person would do so. Where does that place YOU?
My slant on it all is there is massive chunks of information we do not know; do not have access to. I am not the least bit worried about Lennon's historical legacy; there no doubt will be a VERY VERY GOOD REASON AND EXPLANATION for why the decision was made to replace Paul with an imposter. I can not conceive the decision and it's ramifications which echo today still, was made in haste or without due process.
To make crystal-clear my position on your DIRECT POSTING TO ME, BEARING MY NAME, I feel obviously there is information and situations we have no idea about concerning WHY 60IF happened, why PAUL died, and the reasoning behind WHY the Beatles carried on with an imposter. They certainly didn't take the EASY WAY OUT, and quit, therefore I assume there were very weighty issues which resulted in FAUL.
THERE WERE ONLY SIX PEOPLE ON THIS EARTH WHICH KNOWS (or, knew) THE FULL, REAL STORY: Paul George Ringo John Brian Faul
-any more questions or comments?-
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Post by unrepentant on Oct 5, 2003 19:08:58 GMT
"Paul George Ringo John Brian Faul"...6?
i would multiply that number by three or four, adjusting for deaths and the occasional leak. let us not forget the criminals.
since criminals are more likely to talk than seasoned intelligence operatives are, i think contacting a good criminologist could prove very fruitful. there were probably whispers of something big happening in '66, something with a beatles connection.
the crime bosses at the top of the this would have had to know they killed paul, UNLESS they were doublecrossed by the kidnappers at the bottom. maybe these people who abducted paul and brian lied to their bosses?
don't forget, there is no statue of limitation on murder, so with a little luck we might actually have an arrest in this case before it's all over.
"we call to the witness stand...mr. bill shepperd, stage name: paul maccartney"
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Post by mike on Oct 5, 2003 19:23:19 GMT
Hey, no more Lennon-bashing. He may not be perfect, but he was a huge advocate for peace, as we all know. He's a great guy, but he's also not perfect like some of you say he is.
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Oct 5, 2003 23:31:48 GMT
"Paul George Ringo John Brian Faul"...6? i would multiply that number by three or four, adjusting for deaths and the occasional leak. let us not forget the criminals. Yet still; you're missing the jist of my statement concerning the above quote. I clearly said and meant these 6 people knew the FULL, total story and the situation and the fallout. Your "multiple by three or four" falls in to the catagory of 'they knew SOMETHING; a snippet here or there, perhaps a substantiated rumor' but those on the periphery did not and could not know the COMPLETE situation. By the way, I said a while back that the only faction -other than The Beatles and those directly involved- who would know for sure that FAUL was an imposter would be the bastards who killed him; and they of course would not "blow the whistle" on the impersonation as it would ultimately IMPLICATE themselves. So, in essence, if the kidnapping of Paul and Brian were designed to destroy the Beatles, that would throw a completely different spin on why FAUL was utilized: "they thought they would destroy us, but we'll checkmate their move and replace Paul and continue!" Of course there are a few people...very few...who knew something FIRST-HAND...but they would not and will not talk. Case in point: the professor who did the voice spectrum analysis way back in 1969 is still alive. He was suppose to do a scientific appearance RECENTLY on the topic, but REFUSED to attend and present his wealth of data... IMPORTANT data since it is of the pure, scientific nature, therefore would be presentable in COURT. I also stated a long while ago, it would be very interesting to interview the maids who were employed at Cavendish Ave. residence during the time frame in question. The Francie Schwartz material provided great insight and at least one good first-person account clue. There ARE more out there. The only real total insiders who know IT ALL are still those 6 I listed...maybe Neil too. And if Neil knew, Mal did also. Oh no, Yoko knew I'm sure, so better expand the list!
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Post by unrepentant on Oct 7, 2003 1:37:55 GMT
the informed speculation here seems to be that EMI set the first domino falling, around the time the beatle's contract began running out.
that would mean the nucleus of this wretched thing consisted of greedy record company execs at EMI, recklessly hatching some plot to intimidate brian into a contract deal....but no one counted on paul being in the car. the rest is history, though a history not yet recorded.
given what we know about human nature, about how GREED makes people shortsided and reckless.....i believe that amounts to a "thumbnail" look at the truth.
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Oct 7, 2003 3:43:18 GMT
Human Nature, to me, seems to result more often than not in some demonic force, activity, and tragic outcome. What happens to any artist's product catalog when they die? What is the result of units sold when some noteworthy artist dies? We all know that answer. Seen it at least a dozen times or more. That is just one facet of 'human nature.'
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Post by PaulBearer on Oct 7, 2003 10:53:12 GMT
You need to add George Martin and Jane Asher to the list surely. And probably Frian who may or may not have been killed and may or may not be still alive. Maybe after Brian's official death, he joined the navy and went to sea to keep out of the picture...
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Oct 7, 2003 12:41:51 GMT
You are correct, PB. Probably also Linda Eastman...
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Post by Forum Manager on Oct 8, 2003 2:12:22 GMT
i suggest taking paul and brian off the list, since well, they died before the replacement happened.
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Nov 6, 2003 14:34:10 GMT
The only reason they were on the list is, at those last moments before things went dead...they knew what was happening. The end of their lives...
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