Hamlet
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Post by Hamlet on May 24, 2004 21:52:38 GMT
Friend of mine showed me a song Don´t Let Me Down, from the latest Let it Be album
in 3:09 aprox, I hear Lennon say "Get it Bill!!"
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Post by SunKing on May 25, 2004 15:34:18 GMT
Friend of mine showed me a song Don´t Let Me Down, from the latest Let it Be album in 3:09 aprox, I hear Lennon say "Get it Bill!!" Very interesting! A .wav or .mp3 sample needed! |
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Post by beatled on May 25, 2004 20:36:06 GMT
You are refering to the Let it Be Naked album? Are you sure, because I don't hear it.
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Post by PaulBearer on May 26, 2004 9:36:42 GMT
Let it be - Naked maybe means Let It Be - Stripped - of clues that is!
Try the original album.
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Post by SilverBeatle on May 26, 2004 13:09:32 GMT
Could be referring to Billy Preston who also played on the track
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Post by beatled on May 26, 2004 13:41:24 GMT
Let it be - Naked maybe means Let It Be - Stripped - of clues that is! Try the original album. Well he said the "latest" Let It Be album, but ok...  |
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Hamlet
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Post by Hamlet on May 26, 2004 15:57:15 GMT
Is Let it Be Naked version.
Sorry, don´t know how to put song available.
Hearing it well, John is referring to Billy Preston, as when says Get it Bill!, keyboards start to play, definitelly is for Preston. Sorry.
Anyway, in Imagine movie , "Beatle BILL" is clearly Sheppard
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Post by beatled on May 28, 2004 2:32:48 GMT
As is "Beatle Ed" |
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Post by abbey on May 28, 2004 19:46:39 GMT
Hey, Beatled, are you telling us you are Bill?  ? If you are, are we fascinating you? Your latest post sure created a question or two or three or....... |
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Post by damage on May 28, 2004 21:51:33 GMT
Interesting.... I should seek a mp3 on this song
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Post by beatled on May 28, 2004 21:57:46 GMT
Hey, Beatled, are you telling us you are Bill? ? If you are, are we fascinating you? Your latest post sure created a question or two or three or....... Whoah, slow down there everyone, I'm just a regular guy living here in these United States. From catching up on the posts here, I see that there is sometimes a member that starts to get everyone wondering, perhaps it's Faul is the speculation? I suspect they are rather young folks playing around, perhaps not. I'm not going down that road, so... I chose "Beatled" as a username, because another one i wanted was taken already. I never forget that line from the "Imagine" film, where John says: "I see Beatle Bill is making a pig of himself", then something like "Beatle Ed, how is he?" I thought perhaps John was making his famous play on words, that Bill was "Beatled" (using Beatled as the past tense of Beatle, or making "Beatle" a verb, you see?) |
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Post by Delta on May 28, 2004 23:30:28 GMT
hi guys and galls. it's been a while since i posted here. some months ago i got fed up by the way this forum was being wrecked by some annoying folks and also the freedom these people got to keep frustrating most of the serious posters. the last couple of posts i made then, reflected these feelings.
a few weeks after that i couldn't help but have a look if things had changed on this forum and i was pleased to see that they did. since then i've been visiting it regularly but didn't feel the urge to post, until now.
in the meanwhile i also purchased some stuff. some vinyl lp's (help, beatles for sale, abbey road, sgt. pepper, rubber soul) and some dvd's (yellow sub, MMT, beatles around the world (with the shakespearean sketch, the first concert in DC and one of the last concerts in japan) and gimme some truth).
now, on that last dvd i mentioned (=the making of "imagine") there is that scene at the lunch table with john, george, yoko, phil spector and some other people. i would like to ask anyone who has heard george say "i see beatle bill making a pig of himself" to listen and watch again carefully, because i think he is saying "i see beatle phil making a pig of himself", indicating phil spector. the camera also pans into phil's direction while george is looking at him, further commenting at phil's style of eating.
although i feel that the vibe has improved a lot on this forum lately, i also feel that we must remain careful with the clues we think we have discovered and always try to have a critical eye on the matter instead of getting carried away by it, how hard that may seem sometimes.
peace.
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Post by beatled on May 29, 2004 4:34:43 GMT
Maybe he meant "Beatle Phil" as you said, but maybe the whole conversation would be helpful for context, "Beatle Ed" is mentioned as being "on tour", so... I watched it again, and it looks like Geoge is maybe starting to form a word strating with an "f", but changes to a "b" sound at the last second. JMO here of course, but it seems out of character for George to be so impolite as to comment on someone's eating habits.
John: This is actually a Beatle wife fixing the tea for one of the fab four... Ex Beatles
George: fab three
John: Fab three....
George: I see Beatle Bill making a pig of himself
John: you see much of the Beatles these days, the other Beatles?
George: the four beatles.. Beatle Ed
John: Beatle Ed, how is he?
George: He's alright, but he was scurrying off on a tour.
John: Beatle Ed, he's not doing so well these days is he, Beatle Ed....
George: well, he's number five in Sweden.
John: Oh in Sweden, that's good...
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Post by Perplexed on May 29, 2004 8:56:09 GMT
Well, I have never seen it. So, without really knowing that of which I speak, I hazard: Maybe its both. Maybe he is double speaking to have the leeway to say that. He would then be PLAUSIBLY refering to Phil. No harm there. And, its helpful to have a supporting shot of Phil to cut to-----John meant Phil of course!!!!I don't know how the edit was made. I will have to watch it. Of course, its just opinion anyway. It may be that as he was framing the words, the two-fold reference may have flashed in George's mind. Thus, the consonant shift, and the name switch to "Ed." Maybe Phil was happy to eat that way in order to give George the opening. Maybe they were the three of them well practiced at tiny subterfuge. Is that possible to think they might be mocking in the shade? Maybe they muttered that way constantly. Were they bitter? Or maybe I've just gotten too good at suspicious interpretations....... am I bitter? Maybe for John and maybe George, it was an on-going "wordplay" game about another "game" going on, the main show. Always veiled by an apparent context. How convenient. John put a lot of energy into deep, clever lyric making---and as much energy denying he ever meant anything deep or clever in much of it. Maybe that explains in part the 4 years of silence from Lennon's pen in the 1970's. I think it all goes back to his Aunt Mimi, surrogate mom. She sounds like the original punster in the family. My impression from a little thing I read (where was it......) was that her manner of dealing with things was choice, pungent sarcasm, highlighted by fresh word choices. After all, what was her nickname for Yoko? Aunt Mimi might have totally understood all his lyrics...............................I bet their conversations from the start of her raising John were priceless. Mimi may have been John's only competition in match of wits. Why am I picturing this? ?? |
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Post by Delta on May 29, 2004 17:56:00 GMT
maybe it's a good thing to give my version of the scene. now, this is from the "gimme some truth"-dvd and not from the original "imagine" movie of which GST is an edit, i believe. so, some things may have been cut or have switched order. but anyway, here is my interpretation: < shot of the kitchen> < cut to john, winking to the camera> george: d'you have seen much of the beatles these days? john: err...the beatles, ehm... < zoom out to both john and george> john: no, i've seen... no, i did see beatle ed though...ehm...recently (the subtitles read "beat les", but it could as well have been "beatle ed", i'm not sure; but i'll use "beatle ed" for the rest of my transcript)< george chuckles a bit while eating his baked beans and bread> john: he's doing quite well in sweden, i believe, number 5 someone across the table: number 5... john: <talking to that person across the table> number 5, that's a...yeah < cut to another shot of the kitchen> john: i heard that too < pan to george and john> george: yoko, is that a fresh >>john: yes<< pot of tea? yoko: yes george: can i have some john: it's fairly fresh < pan to john and yoko> john <to the camera>: this is actually a beatle wife fixing the tea for one of the fab four...ex-beatles george: fab...fab three < pan to george and john> john: fab three, ha yoko: and i have my wife here john: <pointing his thumb at george and smiling> ...beatle ed, doing very well in sweden... < pan to john and yoko> yoko <pointing at john while pouring tea>: this is my wife john: yeah, i'm beatle wife number three < cut to george> george <looking at phil spector>: i see beatle phil making a pig of himself < john turning his face from george to phil; some guy's laughing, maybe phil himself> < pan to phil, eating> john: he likes his...ehm...whatever it's called yoko: (first word not understood) do you like chemical stuff, george? george: chemical? john: it isn't chemical yoko: what is it then? < pan to john and yoko> john: it's pure sugar from the mouth of t... mr. tate himself; he used to live at the (...) of liverpool < yoko says something indistinct> john <to yoko>: what's that? yoko <to john>: d'you like something else? john: no < pan to george and john> george: <barks like a dog 3x> just like the old days john: yeah <growls a bit> < cut to george getting up, leaving the table, planting his face into the the camera shortly and moving along> end of scenethis transcript is partly my own interpretation and when anyone reads this, it's another interpretation added to that of mine. so i would advise anyone to buy to dvd - or better: get the original movie, if that's possible - and see/hear for yourself. there's lots of other nice stuff on it as well. at least it made me buy the album, too. cheers! |
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Post by LUCY on May 29, 2004 20:34:46 GMT
Yoko must have really emasculated John to be calling him -her "wife" -on film.
sorry.......I'll sit in the corner now with Perplexed
>>>>Hey Perplexey!
wassssssssssup? Seen Alister C lately?<<<<<<
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Hamlet
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Post by Hamlet on Jun 2, 2004 22:58:19 GMT
in the context of the scene and camera, it´s very probable john said "Beatle Phill", but Beatle Ed?? and George saying "Fab THREE"?? and john "fab three, ha"?? and then after that scene in kitchen they in the studio making "how do you sleep" |
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Post by Delta on Jun 3, 2004 18:22:31 GMT
it can't be heard very clearly whether john is saying "beatle ed" or something else, like "beat les" as the subtitles said. but i found tons of links to "beatle ed" as a reference to paul (or in our case: faul) on google. so for the moment, i think he said "beatle ed". "beat les" is funnier, however, in the context of that conversation.
ta!
btw, it was george who made the "beatle phil" remark.
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? If you are, are we fascinating you? Your latest post sure created a question or two or three or.......
