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Post by gracemer on Oct 19, 2004 4:53:53 GMT
I came across this webpage tonight. It fits in with some of our speculation about the Illuminati connection. Did you know that Heather Mills' mother also lost her leg in a road accident? www.orwelltoday.com/mccartney.shtml
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Post by PaulBearer on Oct 19, 2004 5:55:30 GMT
I've sent an email to them about our site.
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Post by gracemer on Oct 19, 2004 16:42:06 GMT
So did I.
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Post by PaulBearer on Oct 20, 2004 6:44:49 GMT
So far, he or she doesn't believe us but...
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Post by Jilli on Oct 20, 2004 10:02:23 GMT
sure made it sound like this was Fauls first time in Russia.
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Post by gracemer on Oct 20, 2004 14:39:37 GMT
Hi Jilli, I'm glad to see you're back.
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Post by abbey on Oct 21, 2004 3:20:17 GMT
Yoko and Faul toasting John's death is totally disgusting, evil, despicable.....can't think of enough foul words...well, I could, but they are all unprintable! I think that she had something to do with John's death. The fact the she immediately had his body cremated without notifying Julian, Cynthia, "Paul", or anyone is really very suspicious.
And why weren't his glasses cremated with him? They were part of him. She's is an evil, sick bitch!
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Post by gracemer on Oct 22, 2004 22:57:34 GMT
I'll second that SisterMA.
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Post by gharryson on Nov 9, 2004 6:06:08 GMT
Julian said himself when he came to the Dakota.....that Yoko asked him if he wanted to see his dad and he told her no....And no she doesn't have to notify Paul or Cynthia concerning her husbands cremation....this can be found on any interview that Julian has done along with his whining about money.........
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Post by gracemer on Nov 9, 2004 7:37:09 GMT
True, she didn't need anyone's permission. Most families discuss it and come to an agreement--not that Yoko, Cyn and Julian were family, mind you. Perhaps she was driving home the point? I'm not satisfied that Yoko had nothing to do with John's murder. Cremation covers a lot of sins.
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Post by abbey on Nov 9, 2004 19:28:59 GMT
She had John cremated [glow=red,2,300]IMMEDIATELY[/glow]. She had no family obligation to Cynthia or Paul, but she damn sure did to Julian. But she called NO ONE until after the fact when his body was ashes. Julian wasn't notified! And he has every right to bitch about being cut out of the will. He was John's son--first born! Once John handed the monetary reins to Yoko, she no longer needed him and you can bet that low life bitch was the one who made sure Julian got nothing. And who had her hand in the killing of her husband. There's been hints about more than one gun. Get rid of the body so no one can question it or try to do an real autopsy at a later date. Also don't serial killers keep souvenirs of their victims?? She kept Johnny's blood stained glasses. Wouldn't a normal woman have those cremated with Johnny. People have said she is into black magic/voodoo and for it to work, don't you need something very personal of the person? ???What better than his blood stained glasses?
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Post by Jilli on Nov 9, 2004 22:06:16 GMT
Very good point Abbey, I hadnt thought of it that way.
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Post by gharryson on Nov 14, 2004 3:41:34 GMT
She had him cremated the 10th of December....not so immediate that someone couldn't get in and get a photo of him.....and to ask why weren't his glasses cremated with him is a bit like asking why someones hearing aids weren't cremated with them....you might need them while your alive.....johns glasses were a part of him....so where alot of things like his white piano....and we tend to forget that ringo arrived the next day at the dakota..with barbara....and julian shortly thereafter....and as far as money goes surely somewhere in the divorce julian was provided for...and if all that was amiss...why can no one tell me about the photo with julian smiling with one arm around yoko and the other around cynthia? if anyone remembers after john died there was a period of everyone getting along....maybe not on the greatest friendship thing...but getting along....the complaining began after a few years from julian...about money....perhaps it would help his case a bit if he laid off his dad.....everyone complains about yoko....but listening to him say john didn't do this or didn't do that.....they had a strained relationship before john died...john said himself that he was talking to julian on the phone...to the effect that julian had to talk to him....almost as if julian didn't want to but he had to....why would a seventeen yr old have to talk to his dad? there have been hints of more than one gun.....would like the reference to that.....serial killers keep items of their victims....since when is she a serial killer? that is way off the wall....personal effects of black magic and voodoo...she wouldn't need glasses for that all it takes is some hair from a hairbrush...or perhaps his toothbrush....come on that is so weak...julian wasn't cut out of the will.....he received a quarter of a million at age 25......calling her a low life bitch and assuming she had something to do with it....is crude....and really lacks any hint of originality....or intelligence......quit throwing out assumptions related on personal bias....back up what you have to say.....show me where all this information is...would love to read up on it.......
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Post by abbey on Nov 16, 2004 20:35:03 GMT
I didn't say she WAS a serial killer. I said she acted like one. Most serial killers keep a souvenir from their kill--or a trophy--shall we say. She kept Johnny's glasses. As they were his, they should have been with him when he was cremated. And she did do it immediately and then notified certain people, NOT BEFORE HE WAS CREMATED!!! He died Dec 8, 1980, at 11pm. That is one hour before midnight, Dec 9. He was cremated the next day!!! If you care to read about it, try the "The Many Lives of John Lennon" by Bernstein. He doesn't call her a killer, but the 60IF documentation leaves damn little doubt about her playing a large part in John's death. She did practice black magic and bound John to her. She kept him under nourished, hooked on drugs and God knows what else in order to utterly control him and his money. I don't give a rat's patoot about some phony photo. Maybe Joko graciously gave Julian a few pounds, but basically and originally he was written out of John's will. Maybe the guy she married LESS THAN A YEAR AFTER JOHN'S DEATH, suggested she give Julian something and it would make her look good and make Julian look like a greedy jerk. Gee, now who would instigate that? ?? Joko would. She probably made up the changes and told Johnny to just sign here that it was some blah blah. He did and the deed was done. And he signed his death warrant...she had the only thing she really wanted: HIS $$$$$$$$. As for Julian and his dad not getting along, how many kids do fight with/have disagreements with their parents? Zillions!!! Maybe Jules didn't like what he saw. How his dad seemed so syruppy with Joko and hadn't been that way with Cyn. At least one nice thing: he beat Joko, too! Julian's life was no bed of roses. John may have had to pay child support/spousal support, but that was all. Julian and Joko didn't particularly care for each other, even more so after Joko produced an "heir to the throne". Joko is a black-hearted, cold-blooded bitch!
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Post by TotalInformation on Nov 17, 2004 4:28:10 GMT
As I understand it, Julian kissed up to Yoko for several years after Lennon's death while he was try to wrest a fraction of a fair share of the estate from her...
I think he had some curt remarks on the matter once or twice after he finally got the dough but kept quiet otherwise. Ono may have even made him sign a confidientiality agreement of some sort; she was always big on those.
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Post by gracemer on Nov 17, 2004 4:40:48 GMT
What Sean may or may not have done with respect to the money isn't of great interest to me. The man's wife kept his blood-spattered glasses, photographed them and is hawking the prints. What kind of a sick b***h would do that? It reveals her character...which makes any theories that she was in on it all too believable. It's beyond no class and well into no respect...if not worse. I wish John could come back for just one minute and slap the snot out of her.
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Post by Perplexed on Nov 17, 2004 5:00:01 GMT
Years ago, the TV series "Dynasty" proved without a shadow of a doubt that audiences everywhere LOVE a good b**ch slap.
Diahaan Carroll showed us all how it should be done.............
Personally, I could probably use a good b***h slap across the cheek every 2 or 3 years to keep me in line. (*whimpering timidly* "please though, not too hard....") But, I'd prefer not!
Ah, America of the 1980's. The only place in the world where simple battery passes for enertainment.......at least they aren't throwing people to the lions, yet..............except on American Idol.......
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Post by gracemer on Nov 17, 2004 6:38:59 GMT
Perplexed.
You crack me up.
We sure do!
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Post by abbey on Nov 17, 2004 13:46:14 GMT
Gracemer, girl you are so right. Believe me, I'm sure if John COULD do that he would ! I know I'd like to. Diahann Carroll, move over girl ! You're slap ain't nothing compared to what I'D like to do to Miss Joko ! LIke I said, what she did to John was an abomination ! Perplexed, you are one funny guy !
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Post by abbey on Nov 18, 2004 15:12:31 GMT
Total, it was not right that Julian had to grovel for a dime or take pictures with the abomination. I'm sure after having taken a picture with her, he felt dirty and had to go shower!!
I always thought Europeans placed great stock on the first born son. Well, that was rightfully Julian, not Sean. Joko considered HER son the main heir......talk about one greedy animal.
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Post by gharryson on Nov 22, 2004 4:12:44 GMT
Keeping Johns glasses as a trophy is ridiculous, she had his son, money and name.....wouldn't that be trophy enough...and as far as them having to be with him is your opinion...and that alone...and as far as having cremated the next day...maybe she would have gotten better press had his body been stolen....possiblilty yes just as much as she had something to do with it...and if she was manipulating him she wouldn't have to get rid of him...and the many lives of John Lennon was no more than somebody making money off his name...she practised magic and bound john to her...wheres ur reference for that.....i don't give a rats ass about some phony photo just proves that your biased as well....perhaps you should look at more than the trash you have been looking at...you form an opinion after looking at the evidence not having one before hand and then spit out "truths" to support yourself...undernourished? Macrobiotic diet....ok? He was thin....if alot of people quit eating crap like they do they WOULD BE THIN TOO....she married no one since john died....if she did provide a copy of the marriage certificate.....and to assume john would just sign anything is treating him like he is slow minded or dim witted.....ridiculous....and to say it is nice for ANY WOMAN TO BE BEATEN BY HER HUSBAND IS PURE FRIGGIN IGNORANCE... that is a slap to the face of any woman in the world who has been abused...."sister". And how about more on this more than one gun theory...notice your didn't mention that? And as far as his cremation....he was examined by the city's medical examiner beforehand as is all homicides...how about putting something for everyone to start reading that has something besides innuendo and vague accusations...and she isn't the one who is the black heated cold blooded bitch......Julian was basically written out of johns will? where is the proof on that one too.......He received 250,000....for starters....and he is naturally going to side with his mom instead of yoko....who wouldn't?....But Cyn was complaining when john was around was she?....but she can slap that lennon name on her art "because it brings in the money"....whooweeee!!!!!!!but thats ok because she's white and married John first...how about concentrating on Faul for a change?....or provide something more than your opinion to share with everyone.........
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Post by abbey on Nov 22, 2004 14:07:06 GMT
Gharryson, you are the one who is ignorant of the facts. John Lennon did indeed beat Cyn and Yoko. One beating even caused Joko to lose a brat. Joko had problems carrying kids anyway because of all the abortions she had had. Explain why she didn't call his son and his best friend. That is something you do if for no other reason that consolation. But she didn't need consoling, she had John's money and that's all she ever wanted...and to be able to ride on his shirttail. Yes, she did marry less than a year after Johnny's murder. She also turned Johnny into a heroin addict like herself as another way to control him, but Johnny got smart and went "Cold Turkey". Joko stayed on heroin and was hiding it from Johnny. Gee, I wonder whose money she bought the garbage with? ?? And by European and Japanese standards the first born son is the main heir......that, dear boy, would have been JULIAN. Also, the first wife to deliver the first son is exulted......that would be Cynthia! But Joko wasn't about to have HER not be the sole heir. She is a greedy, gold digging bitch! Maybe you should open up your eyes and hears and do some serious studying of John Winston Lennon. And for the record, I have been a Beatle fan since 1964, so am rather informed about their lives and wives. Also, NEW FLASH....Johnny was bisexual. Also, why was he taken to the hospital in a police car? Normally, an ambulance with professionally trained EMT's would be the ones to transport. If you just call 911, you get fire, ambulance and cops. If you specify someone has been shot and wounded, you get an ambulance and cops. Why no immediate medical attention for Johnny? In his case, regrettably, it would have made no difference since one bullet nicked his aorta and his esophagus was damaged. But no one could have known that at the first. So why no EMT's ? There was no study of the trajectory of the bullets, nor the blood splatters. Shoddy work by the NYPD. They thought they had the murderer and didn't do any investigative work. What is your major malfunction? Are you Sean or a buddy of his? ;D ;D ;D ;D If she were handed the glasses later, it would be only decent to WASH them off and put them away. Not use them for publicity for herself. But then when was Joko ever decent?
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Post by unrepentant on Nov 24, 2004 18:43:35 GMT
it really makes you wonder about what 60IF says....i mean, about yoko being a foreign spy. allright, we'll refrain from name calling, but she was no june cleaver, you know what i mean? but how did the author of 60-if K N O W? ? and, how did the authors know where the "walrus" file was? that's pretty "inside" information....could someone on the outside really have accessed it, and passed it on to george? THIS WHOLE FREAKING MESS COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED IF JOHN COULD HAVE JUST RECAPTURED SOME OF HIS OLD AGGRESSIVENESS AND DEFIED THE CODE OF SILENCE. truly, one of the most amazing stories ever told......and in a small way we are all part of it.
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Post by beatled on Nov 25, 2004 2:37:33 GMT
John was in a vulnerable state, and I think this was discussed here before, but perhaps some analysis of John's psyche was done and it was determined what kind of person needed to be brought in to control him. Soothes all his fears, commiserates with him at his frustration with the situation, but never lets it get out of control.
Agreed, no name calling, but the story that always gets told is that she had no idea he was a Beatle, he was just "some guy". She met Faul first however, and it was Faul who sent her over to John. That's the story Faul himself told on the Howard Stern show, I'm not making this up.. He said she just knocked on his door looking to selll something or for a donation to charity but.. might be a half truth. But it sounds like the old legend isn't quite correct..
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Post by abbey on Nov 26, 2004 18:51:41 GMT
I have heard that too; however, Joko set out to totally "own" John. Regrettably, Faul is often rewriting history. Like his phony tale about "Michelle". Also, if you listen to authentic Paul's voice and then listen to Faul. Faul's accent is totally wrong, but people have come to accept it as Paul. Living with an American isn't going to change his accent that much. In fact, he has a Canadian accent.......surprise? NO.
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