Faul & Yoko Toast John's Death?

[gharryson]

Sister >>>you have provded no facts at all...none! zilch!zip!....I can't be ignorant of something when you haven't presented nothing more than your opinion....you make statements and can't back them up....SHOW ME A COPY OF THE MARRAIGE CERTIFICATE...you were the one who stated she deserved to be beaten.....it doesn't matter what the heirship standards are anywhere else he lived in america...it doesn't matter how long you've been a Beatles fan...you could been one for a million years and if you can't back up your facts...your just that another beatles fan...voicing an opinion...he was taken in a police car because of the seriousness of his wounds...and if you check on the wounds you would find that to be understanable....and considering this was in 1980...what was the 911 situation...was it even invented yet.....not sure on that and if i remember right the police where close by.....an ambulance is dispatched like a firetruck....from its base....cops patrol...they are mobile.....you even state one hit his aorta...why don't you look up how quick death can be from a bullet wound from the aorta? Just because I don't agree with your reasoning doesn't mean i have a major malfunction...just means that i need more than someones ramblings to convince me...(by the way theres a bridge in Brooklyn I am selling) and as far as the glasses go....I think it would have been decent for Jackie to wash her dress before having her photo taking with the presidents blood on it....hmmm....I think it is interesting how you use "Joko" considering that is what john referred to he and yoko because they were so close....I also heard the Howard Stern show...and Paul stating they met was not the way it had been told (the official version i think he said) i believe that she showed up wanting a donation to the birthday party of John Cage (?).....and he told her to ask John....that he didn't give his stuff away.......and i don't agree that she didn't know who the beatles were either...some things don't fit...but...you can't keep putting it off on one person....John was too big for that....some b rated movie star maybe but not a beatle...it just irritates me that people just throw things out because of bias...and its nothing more because they have to evidence...just theories.....share an idea or theory...just don't hold it until it can be proven......

[abbey]

Show you the Marrigae Certificate? You mean you don't believe Joko and John were married? Or that Cyn and John weren't married??? John and Cyn had the good old fashioned "shotgun" wedding. He got her pregnant and did the 'right' thing by marrying. That's what a MAN did in those days. Julian was and always be John's FIRST BORN SON.

It's amazing how "my opinions" are shared by a vast majority of people. They have also been written about in various books about John Lennon. Do you know what a library is? Check out a variety of books on Johnny!!!

Joko used any method at her disposal to "hook" John, including drugs. Yes, Johnny used drugs before Joko, but she got him hooked on heroin. He broke his habit, but Joko was still using and hiding her use from Johnny. Whether or not you want to admit it, she uses and used "black magic". Remember she is the dingaling telling people to fly north and west to go east....some babble crap she believed.

This woman is truly sick when she makes photos of John's blood stained glasses to sell. What did she do, spend too much of JOHN'S money? And the cops figured they had the killer (David Chapman) and never did a real investigation to be sure there was only one shooter. Piss poor investigative techniques if you ask me. Yes, he had a basic autopsy, but nothing to check the projectory of the bullets. Verrry Interrestink!!!!

And remember Faul is trying to re=write history. Everything about that fool is false. He butchers one of Paul's most beautiful songs (Yesterday) and makes ups stories as he goes. He is False Paul = Faul; not James Paul McCartney who truly was John's best friend. John and Paul were closer than brothers!

For someone like John Lennon one would think an ambulance would be sent because they have medical technicians and medical supplies on board.......cop cars don't!!!! Granted, nothing would have saved Johnny, but they didn't know that when they got the call. If they didn't send an ambulance, someone should have been charge with dereliction of duty. If I'm ever in NYC and need medical attention, I sure hope I get an ambulance and not a police vehicle.

Gee, the way you defend Joko, you must be a relative or kid or something. Have you even read the 60IF documents? Have you read the statement about Joko being a government agent?

And if she loved John sOOOOO much, why did she shack up with some dude within a few months of John's death and then marry the guy less than a year after John's death? My she must of really been in love, yeah, right, with his name and fame and $$$$$$

[PaulBearer]

The unauthorised A Long And Winding Road includes interviews with John Lennon's sister where she states that John was simply not himself after 1966. The peace movement business and so on simply wasn't him. Those who really knew him didn't get it at all. I think he was heartbroken and virtually gave up after 1966 (bar the clues), just went through the motions and just followed wherever Yoko led him because he didn't care for a while - it overwhelmed him. In later years, he began to fight back but by then it was too late...

[Palin]

Sr MA He's disagreeing that Yoko remarried after John's death. I think he's right. I have to say I agree with much of what he's said, though I've no wish to get embroiled in an argument. A lot of people have never liked Yoko, often for reasons they wont admit to. Personally, I see her as a genuine feminist icon of the 20th Century, slightly mad, but I don't believe for a minute that she was involved in John's murder. I tend to believe that facts are needed in these situations rather than strongly voiced opinions.

[gracemer]

I see her as a whack-job. According to The Love You Make, this is how they met:

Yoko Ono had something that all the others did not: perseverance that bordered on obsession. It was a mixture of guts and gall that went beyond chutzpah into the range of something spooky. By now everyone in the household was a little wary of her. After meeting John at an art exhibit she had been unshakeable. Cynthia always thought that John's first mistake was supporting Yoko's art and giving her money; that would only keep her coming round for more. In the beginining she showed up at the Apple business offices and demanded to see him. When she was told that John rarely went to the office she came on to the Beatles' loyal friend and road manager, Neil Aspinall. And when Neil rejected her, she managed to collar Ringo Starr, but Ringo couldn't understand a word the cryptic poet/artist was going on about and soon fled. The security guards at the Abbey Road EMI recording studios, where the boys recorded their albums, used to joke that she was part of the fence, and once she threatened to chain herself to the gates in an attempt to get in to see John. Then came a long-distance assault on Kenwood. It began with a barrage of phone calls, and then, when John's telephone number was changed three or four times, Yoko sent dozens of letters. The letters first insisted, then demanded, John's support for her art projects. Cynthia intercepted many of the letters and began to save them when they turned dark and despairing, in case Yoko ever followed through on the threats to kill herself. She had already tried to do herself in once in Japan, and the letters sounded sincere. According to Cynthia, Yoko wrote: 'I can't carry on. You're my last hope. If you don't support me, that's it, I'll kill myself.'

Very much alive, Yoko began to appear at Kenwood in person, waiting in the driveway of the house for John to come and go. She stood there from early in the morning until late at night, no matter what the weather, wearing the same scruffy black sweater and beat-up shoes, so intense and scowling that the housekeeper, Dorothy Jarlett, was afraid to go near her. One day Cynthia's mother took pity on the forlorn figure and let her into the house to make a phone call and have a glass of water. But Yoko only used the occasion to leave her ring behind, which gave her a pretense to return the next day and demand to be let inside. One morning a package arrived from Yoko which Cynthia and her mother opened; it contained a Kotex box in which Yoko had buried a broken China cup painted blood red. John had a laugh about it, but Cynthia and Lillian Powell didn't find it one bit funny.

Eventually, Yoko's dogged pursuit of John became so blatant that it developed into something of a private joke between the married couple. Yoko's grande atrocite occurred one night when she turned up at a Transcendental Meditation lecture John and Cynthia were attending in London. When it was over she followed them out of the lecture hall and into the back seat of John's psychedically hand-painted Rolls-Royce limosine and sat herself down between them.

Six months later Cynthia came home from a trip to find Yoko wearing her robe and sitting in her kitchen with John. End of marriage. She should have had her arrested long before.

[Palin]

Bizarre, but she obviously felt it was meant to be, and we don't know what encouragement John was giving her. It is clear that John married Cyn because haveing got her pregnant, it was the done thing. Yoko provided him with an escape route from the marriage and from the Beatles. I would have liked one more album out them though.

[abbey]

Thank you, gracemer.

Joko couldn't sing. She sounded like a cat when someone steps on its tail....someone weighing about 200lbs She also had no artistic talent. Possibly it could be considered avarte gard, if you are higher than a kite on LSD or something.

Actually with Joko being Japanese and John being English, it makes me wonder if their marriage really was a LEGAL one. Now that would be wonderful if it were proved that she didn't have any right to anything of John's!!! Not to mention, Sean would be an illegitimate kid ;D ;D But Joko is cold and calculating, and I'm sure she has covered her tracks and paid off people to have things her way. I will give her credit for being intelligent and "crossing her t's and dotting her i's".

[gracemer]

I was just perusing my own post and the story seems eerily similar to the movie "Fatal Attraction." Except the movie had a happier ending.

[Palin]

Sister said:

Actually with Joko being Japanese and John being English, it makes me wonder if their marriage really was a LEGAL one. Now that would be wonderful if it were proved that she didn't have any right to anything of John's".

Sister, I'm sensing you have issues.

I don't understand - why would the fact that Yoko is Japanese cause the marriage to be illegal? I think immigration would have got on to that fairly quickly. In fact, if you buy the Wedding Album record /cd by John and Yoko you get a copy of the marriage certificate included.

They actually got married in Gibraltar becuase they wanted to do it fast, and the island was identified by Peter Brown as being a place where the rules and regs meant a Las Vegas style wedding was possible (see Ballad of John and Yoko). Gibraltar was/is still British, and the marriage would have....full legal value.

[abbey]

You bet I have issues, but only with gharry.

I figured their marriage was regrettably legal. But you can always hope for a fluke, you know. Yes, I have heard the Ballard of John and Joko. A wedding certificate in a album doesn't make it real. But, yes, they were legally married. Too bad, too true. Just can't help harassing gharry

Knowing Joko, she made sure everything was legal and soon controlled everything, too.

[gharryson]

Mary Mary Mary....the only issues you have are with yourself.........all my love, george

[gracemer]

24 years ago today.

Yoko posed and photographed his blood-spattered glasses. That is one of the coldest things I've ever heard. His fans grieved more than she did.

The bottom line is that what Sean didn't have financially is due totally to that stalking, home-wrecking psychopath. He had a dad until she came along. What's that worth?

The hold Yoko had on John was unnatural and unnaturally powerful. The nicest thing I can reasonably say about her is that she is desperately mentally ill.

[abbey]

She's also known to be into black magic. Someone I know who knows VERY little about the Beatles, knew THAT about her ! It's very well known within psychic circles !
Who's to say that she didn't use black magic to bind Johnny to her ?!

[abbey]

George, George, George, what am I going to do with you? You must be a friend of Joko.

My only hangups are I can't imagine a normal wife keeping and profiting from her husband's bloody glasses. That is sick! There is nothing nice anyone can say about Joko. She practiced black magic; she bound John to her; she was just plain evil incarnate.

If Johnny hadn't gotten entangled with that THING, he might still be alive today.

Johnny was certainly no angel, but he didn't deserve what he got

To be gunned down with no mercy & then have his bloodstained glasses used as a TROPHY !



That is just DISGUSTING ! It's NOT art !

[sweetloretta]

i know this seems a bit off topic, but i havent kept up with 60IF so.. why did John beat his wives?? i mean i understand him beating Yoko... but thats from MY viewpoint, if he was soooo in love with her then why would he go and do that? and why did he beat cynthia?

[abbey]

John had anger problems. I'm pretty sure it's because he felt abandoned by his mother Julia. She dumped him on her sister Mimi, who didn't have any children of her own.

[gracemer]

That's what I believe also. John had an opportunity to live with his dad, which he really wanted to do, but his mother guilted him into choosing to stay with her--then she palmed him off. Poor little guy. I'm not justifying his behavior, mind you. I imagine the drugs exacerbated his violent tendencies as well. Later in life he expressed remorse for that behavior. I don't think he ever did anything to make up for his shabby treatment of Cynthia though.

[peoplescommittee]

The way John made it sound, his marriage to Cynthia was a mistake and never should have happened. But it did. And we all know what eventually happened. Then again, this is "the way John made it sound."