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Post by TotalInformation on Jan 9, 2005 22:27:23 GMT
Why did the members of Wings quit on faux Paul?
All Wings scholars here should post their opinions.
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Post by Mad John on Jan 9, 2005 22:47:59 GMT
I am no expert on Wings. Maybey it was those silly love songs?  |
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Post by PaulBearer on Jan 10, 2005 4:28:16 GMT
IMO (or speculation), they got sick of the game they had to play, particularly if the deal was that any songs they composed had to be credited to "Paul McCartney". It would've been very frustrating for them creatively and may also explain why billy had some trouble getting the "right" sound or assemblage of people for his band.
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Post by Dr.No on Jan 16, 2005 3:13:02 GMT
Faul is just an "all over the place" kinda guy....any band would get sick of that after a while
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Post by abbey on Jan 16, 2005 20:37:14 GMT
What do you mean by that, guitarjon?
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Post by Perplexed on Jan 17, 2005 13:32:22 GMT
I usually hear that phrase, uttered among musicians, to indicate either
playing "all over the place", on one's "axe", i.e., instrument, it's usually derogatory, and applies to bad rhythm and/or pitch....although sometimes people will say, (when you've had a real good night), that, "Man! Wow! You were all over that s*** tonight!".....
but, usually , it's, "Darn it, man, the piano player was all over the place tonight....."---i.e. lots of errors, or bad "time", out of pocket so to speak,
rushing, dragging, stepping on other people's solos, missing some changes,
hitting wrong keys, or being too busy--hitting all 88 keys in the span of a few measures. Pulling time up or down; covering up someones solo, playing sloppily with note errors (clams), screwing up the melody, or lead lines, missing entrances, playing without taste, banging loudly---
This phrase can cover a lot of musical ground.
Fits in with the following two similar designations:
"Man, that cat is lame....", and the devastatingly derogatory,:
"Man, when he was playing, NOTHIN' was happenin'."----(usually spoken about an awkward, botched jazz solo...)
Then there's always: "Man, dude's got NO chops...."
which is music speak for: "that saxophone player etc. does know his horn"
In extreme cases, some less gilded tongued musicians will utter, in disdain for another musician's poor performance at a recent gig,:(Not for the sensitive, or below 21, or feint of spirit:)
"Man, did you hear Freddy playin' at the jam session last week? Dude, he stepped all over his d***."
This is a supreme slam; hearing this about yourself is akin to being told to quit the musician's union and sell your instrument. And quit comin' to the jam session.......
So, in review, (1)not having chops,(2) steppng all over your privates (as a male), (3) being lame, (4) being told that when you played nothin' was happenin', and (5) bein' all over the place, are 5 phrases that musicians everywhere LEAST want to hear.
There is also:
Lighten up!
Lay back into it!
Not so busy, Clyde!
Are you gonna swing, man? Try and swing, man!
You're lost, Bozo!
You're not cookin'! Try and make this cook, lame-*ss!
Do you know where bleepin' "One" is, dude? (One is the down-beat..)
Quit rushing!
Are you f******* lost, Homer?
How'd you like to play the right arrangement, Air-head?
What the bleep are you doing?
Pack up your horn and go!
We're gonna let Jack play the rest of the gig, OK?
You're a measure behind!
Just take him out of the monitor. On second thought, unplug him entirely.
Turn off his microphone.
Try to settle into a groove, like some kind of pocket? OK?
...and, really embarrasing:
Try playing it in OUR key, why don'tcha'?
Now, how would I be acquainted with all these terms of endearment?
..we ALL have our nights.........except for the really gifted..........
But, one of the hardest "comments" for a musician to take, really, is the silence when the phone doesn't ring.......
Why did the band members of Wings quit? I don't know......but sometimes the leader of a group will put a lot of verbal pressure on the sidemen (not saying that is what it was), but musicians are a really sensitive lot. They
won't "hang" where they don't feel the right "vibes" as far as the "scene" goes with the other "cats" in the band. If the bandleader complains about tempos a lot; or plays inconsistently once too often; or yells or screams frequently, people cut out.
Which makes me think of late drummer, "Buddy Rich." The nicest man in show business. Not really! A great drummer----- one of the greatest in his style.Played his hands off; great charts, great musicianship--and would cut you to the quick for the SLIGHTEST little musical thing or personal thing he did not like.
The old Buddy Rich story:
A certain trumpet player, I think it was, who had toured with Buddy Rich for years, unhappily, and eventually who got fired during a famous Buddy Rich screaming fest after a certain gig, heard that Buddy Rich had finally passed away.
The sideman remembered Buddy's home phone number, and called his widow, who answered.
She said hello. The trumpet player asked to speak with Buddy. She said, haven't you read the papers? He's dead. He died two weeks ago.
He said, sorry, thank you.
About a week later, he calls her back, the ame trumpet player calls Rich's widow back on the phone, and asked her again, "Hey, lemme speak with Buddy?"
She replies, not being sure if it was the same man, "Haven't you heard the news? Buddy died about three weeks ago." The trmpeter said sorry, and goodby.
About another week later, the trumpet player called the widow ONE more time at home. She answered, and after he for the third time asked to speak to Buddy, said to him:
"Say, I recognize you now! You're that same trumpet player Buddy fired years ago! You've called me three times now to speak with Buddy, and I'm tellin' you for the last time, Buddy's dead! Why do you keep callin' me and I have to tell you he's dead over and over again?"
He said, with a note of glee in his throat, "Because, frankly, lady, I just love hearin' you say Buddy's dead, Buddy's dead, Buddy's dead..........."
!Musicians can be a strange lot!
Good thing that trumpet player wasn't bitter!
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Post by abbey on Jan 17, 2005 17:17:12 GMT
Thanks for the insider info, Perplexed. About the Buddy Rich story all I have to say is whew   |
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Post by Dr.No on Jan 20, 2005 7:04:24 GMT
i didn't mean "all over the place" in a musical sense, but in personality. Faul has a habbit of doing whatever whenever...a band needs more stability than that....not to mention he seems full of himself..err...full of someone else anyways
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Post by abbey on Jan 20, 2005 15:33:00 GMT
guitarjon, it's pitiful. Paul was actually a pretty modest kid. He knew he had come from nothing. He was grateful for all that he had. He tried his best to be nice to people. That's why they made him the front man. But, because "idiot boy" ( my private name for him ) has acted so damned vain for the past 38 years, everyone thinks that Paul McCartney is full of himself. It's just sad  |
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Post by verachuckanddave on Jan 20, 2005 19:01:08 GMT
Sorry Sis , but NOOOOO¡¡¡
He´s not a idiotboy, WE used to be the idiotboys/girls
He was a smart one and he played his smart part of the game.
Untill now...
Pablo esta muerto.
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Post by abbey on Jan 20, 2005 21:45:08 GMT
Vera - Touche ! ;D
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Post by Perplexed on Jan 21, 2005 3:31:05 GMT
i didn't mean "all over the place" in a musical sense, but in personality. Faul has a habbit of doing whatever whenever...a band needs more stability than that....not to mention he seems full of himself..err...full of someone else anyways Well, I drew a blank about the idea as far as playing-wise, because from what I can tell (and I am so un-rock and roll) from especially the live stuff, where it is what it is (not track recording), where it tells the most, is that he plays great; the band is spot on, and he sounds great IN the band, so yea maybe i would be a quality of being "flighty" or something along that line. Abbey--well I'm no "insider", those stories about Rich and my little observations about musicians and side men are just that, and common to all of us that play. The "Rich" stories have been around a while and are oft told and well known to drummers, guitarists, horn players, etc....well, I guess that makes me a quasi-insider------- Let's say I am "around" from time to time and hear the musical gossip and note the lingo and attitudes of a lot of musicians. am I "inside", I always feel like I am on the outside lookin' in'---a little bit-----I have the "feels like an introvert/acts like an extrovert" gene, which I theorize is recessive. And in my case, excessive. Heheh excessive genes. I'd rather have "progressive genes", and just keep gettin' bettuh-n'-bettuh". But why did the band quit? Question: did they stay together as a unit unto themselves, or did they each more or less go their seperate ways? Research time..........then, truly a band on the run........ |
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Post by Perplexed on Jan 21, 2005 3:52:09 GMT
Sorry Sis , but NOOOOO¡¡¡ He´s not a idiotboy, WE used to be the idiotboys/girls He was a smart one and he played his smart part of the game. Untill now... Pablo esta muerto. Do you mean that (1)he has forgotten how to play the game in a "smart" way; or do you mean that (2)the time has come (just recently) for him to start playing play the "stupid" part of the game? Or, are you suggesting, that (3) we boys-an-girls have reached the place of maturity (sic) where we're just Too Darn Smart! not to see through any style of "play?". Or, (4), is he approaching that golden time in life where you just wanna stretch back a little and say "Who Cares"? Lastly, (5) after nearly 4 decades of having to slavishly say, "yesmynameis PaulMcCartney ohreallywhat'syours thanksforcomingtomyconcert?" to every verachickendave on the planet, he's like to wax wickedly mischievous, and "play" teasingly with his "legend", and have some eccentric fun with a few fans? "Que?" Mysteries/spies/detectivestories/intrigues/rumors/secretcodes/flashlightsignals/passwords/investigations/magnifyingglasses charm nearly everybody. So, let's all spin the wheel and draw a lucky card from the "??" pile............ Don't forget to"shuffle the deck". Or, "swab it" if you encounter any puddles of saliva along the way. ;D |
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Post by Ilan on May 29, 2005 1:36:17 GMT
 Why did the members of Wings quit on faux Paul? All Wings scholars here should post their opinions. Question is months old, but if your still interested. It was basically Paul was treating his band members in the same way he treated Ringo and George, which caused them to walk out on the White Album and Let It Be session respectivley. In other words like children and amateurs which they were far from before joining him. 2 stories I heard about Denny Lain leaving. One was that Faul wouldnt tour after JL was wacked for fear of his life. and 2 that after Faul pot bust in Japan, Denny skiddadled leave Faul in a Japanese prison and went home to record Japanese tears. Well thats the way it came down back then in1980.
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Post by TPIMaster on May 29, 2005 21:24:14 GMT
True, that's how I got the message aswell...
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Post by abbey on May 31, 2005 4:25:11 GMT
Have to agree with the two of you. Bill treated his band members like they should be honored to be with him....humph! He should have been honored that a Moody Blues member would have joined him.
Denny Laine wrote many a song for Bill, but Bill told Denny that only the name McCartney would appear as songwriter and that Denny should be happy to be working with the great (egotistical) "Paul McCartney". Also Denny and JoJo Laine often commented on what pigs the McCartney's were........Linda's body odor for one.
Anyway, after Bill got busted in Japan......another show of his egotistically arrogance by jutting putting the joints right on top of everything in Linda's train case.....the band went home and that was the end of Wings.
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Post by TPIMaster on May 31, 2005 18:04:51 GMT
It was always Paul McCartney, never Wings that were mentioned.
I listened to the radio a few weeks ago and heard a good old Wings song. They go like: "Okay, that was a nice tune by Paul McCartney". Always Paul McCartney, never Wings...
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Post by faul ramone on Jul 14, 2005 1:23:50 GMT
actually there are a few mccartney/laine compositons
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Post by beatled on Jul 14, 2005 3:24:59 GMT
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Post by peoplescommittee on Jul 18, 2005 12:24:01 GMT
Didn't Laine later attempt to do a tribute band, something along the lines of "Denny Laine sings the songs of Wings"? I hear it had Paul's blessing, and Denny even assembled some musicians, but Denny never showed up for the rehearsals and it never went further. At least that's what Tony Bramwell says.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Jul 27, 2005 10:22:26 GMT
Well, I got a DVD produced by Denny Laine about "the true story" of the Beatles.
Very very very telling.
The tale stops at 1966 ... as always...
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Post by abbey on Aug 2, 2005 1:47:30 GMT
I don't think there was much love lost between Bill and Denny Laine. Denny wrote the songs and Bill took credit for them and told Denny how grateful he should be that he was playing with "Paul McCartney". With an ego that big , he must have had to had doors widened so his head could fit through them! ;D ;D ;D ;D After the Japan fiasco and Linda dumb enough to put her stash right on top of the cosmetics (didn't know she used any  ), It's obvious from a move like that that pot does kill brain cells! Wings disbanded and went home. Only Linda sat around and waited for Billy to get out of jail. But why do I think that maybe the Japanese government checked the fingerprints of the "Paul" trying to enter the country then against fingerprints taken in 1966 and found they DID NOT MATCH!! |
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), It's obvious from a move like that that pot does kill brain cells!