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Post by ReallyReallyDead on Mar 31, 2005 0:51:49 GMT
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Post by ReallyReallyDead on Mar 31, 2005 0:53:43 GMT
actually, now that I look at it, they doin't look that different. But i still don't understand, what happened to his hair in the piano pic?
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Post by Red Lion on Mar 31, 2005 7:03:00 GMT
actually, now that I look at it, they doin't look that different. But i still don't understand, what happened to his hair in the piano pic? Upper left pic is George Martin, upper right pic is anyones guess but it aint Billy. Only the bottom two are the replacement.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 31, 2005 7:42:52 GMT
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Post by ReallyReallyDead on Mar 31, 2005 12:26:51 GMT
This one's my favorite. If I didn't know they were the same person, I would have never dreamed they would be. But as enforced here, the photo comparisons don't lie..... (when done correctly that is)
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Post by abbey on Mar 31, 2005 16:07:51 GMT
Amazing, isn't it !!!
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Post by Red Lion on Mar 31, 2005 16:20:35 GMT
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Post by unrepentant on Apr 10, 2005 2:35:52 GMT
was bill trying to tell us that felt he had to ride at the "back of the bus"??
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Post by Perplexed on Apr 10, 2005 4:28:03 GMT
Or, was Bill's vantage point from the "Rear Window"? (Hitchcock....)
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Post by abbey on Apr 11, 2005 3:09:58 GMT
Very observant, Perplexed!!! ;D I'd have to agree 100% with you. He can keep an eye on all things.
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Post by TPIMaster on Apr 12, 2005 19:56:24 GMT
But if it's all Bill, why all the different faces? Were The Beatles that complexed to put all the different faces in somewhere so that nobody would know who he really was? If he would have had that many plastic surgery, his face wouldn't have looked like it looked after the last surgery, would it? Or is there a logical explanation for all this?
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Post by BeatlePaul on Apr 12, 2005 19:59:46 GMT
But if it's all Bill, why all the different faces? Were The Beatles that complexed to put all the different faces in somewhere so that nobody would know who he really was? If he would have had that many plastic surgery, his face wouldn't have looked like it looked after the last surgery, would it? Or is there a logical explanation for all this? The answer is already at: 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=Essential&action=display&thread=1113163505Plastic surgery + make up. Without make-up (filler injections included) Billy could seem just another person.
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Post by plastic paul on Apr 12, 2005 23:59:57 GMT
I just cant say i believe it, i can understand that he originally looked one way and then he looked like paul through plastic surgery.
I can only just believe that he can look like one or t'other through injections, wigs, dyes etc. coz its a big change to go through without lasting surgery.
To believe he has many different looks i feel is preposterous, i still feel that the guy on the bus is an possiblity of pre- faul bill but that other guy looks SO much like "Big" George Martin, and the photo comparision used to prove that it isn't george martin, is the most un-george martin like pictures possible, ie. its a contentious picture.
My point? That Photo comparisions can sometimes "prove" things that aren't true, but PID and anything that can prove that further is useful but sometimes people clutch at straws without necesarrily noticing!
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Post by Maacc on Apr 13, 2005 16:57:28 GMT
Doesn't this just maybe show the dangers of relying too heavily on the photo fades. Clearly the grey haired guy is George Martin - but the fade to McCartney is as convincing as many others I've seen here. It now casts doubt on the robsutness of the other fades I previously found convincing as stand alone evidence - for me, anyway. The guy with the curly hair - I've seen him before - can't remember his name, but I doubt it's Bill. As for Vivien Stanshall - I can't begin to conceive that it was Faul in the MMT film, although nothing is certain in this world.
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Post by abbey on Apr 13, 2005 19:29:57 GMT
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Post by BeatlePaul on Apr 13, 2005 19:36:14 GMT
I am not worrying about. I waited two years before seeing people open their eyes... I can wait two years more.
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Post by plastic paul on Apr 13, 2005 21:47:46 GMT
BP, whether or not that is bill i do not know but you cant convince by using computer generate hair and eyebrows and the rest that that is paul, it just looks like any photograph would, a guy with mop top beatle hair, not a bit like McCartney the first or second
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Post by BeatlePaul on Apr 13, 2005 22:20:17 GMT
BP, whether or not that is bill i do not know but you cant convince by using computer generate hair and eyebrows and the rest that that is paul, it just looks like any photograph would, a guy with mop top beatle hair, not a bit like McCartney the first or second It's not "computer generated" hair. It's just the wig Billy wore on "The Fool On The Hill" video. It was "added on" just a bit of make up on eyebrows. The guy on the third photo (from the left) is officially Faul. Search documentation about over this forum.
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Post by plastic paul on Apr 14, 2005 0:46:31 GMT
I wasnt saying the hair was computer generated, i meant the picture, all i'm saying is I think you could add the hair and animation of to a picture of anyone and call it paul, thats how valid it is as evidence, but we'll just have to agree to disagree i suppose
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Post by Perplexed on Apr 14, 2005 6:43:17 GMT
It's not "computer generated" hair. It's just the wig Billy wore on "The Fool On The Hill" video. It was "added on" just a bit of make up on eyebrows. The guy on the third photo (from the left) is officially Faul. Search documentation about over this forum. I recognise the "wig" from "Fool on the Hill" The addition of that with some "eye-brow" is sufficient enough to trigger my memory of the scene in MMT from which it comes, where William's eyebrows are up in a "simple-minded gentility" during the "Fool" song........
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Post by plastic paul on Apr 14, 2005 23:49:50 GMT
I agree perplexed, there is something wrong, but IMO the picture, however evocative, proves nothing, thats always been my point, im not trying to do anyone down or anything.
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Post by TheDZ on Apr 21, 2005 5:11:53 GMT
Bill had/has to wear prostheses, makeup and endure facial injections in addition to having plastic surgery on his nose, eyelids and other parts of his face. If you've been paying attention , these things will become readily apparent. All the evidence has been posted already.
For those of you who moan about the search engine , I say BullSh*t! You're not trying hard enough! It's all here and it's well documented.
Instead of moaning about how you don't get it, maybe you could take the information patiently presented to you and use it.
How about this.. The man they chose was a compromise. He was too tall, he was right handed, his hair was the wrong color, his eyes were the wrong color, his nose was too big and his eyes too narrowly spaced.
This much is plain to see if one looks. Why then did they use him? Why? Bill's voice is not really that close to Paul's if you actually listen. Denny Laine is much better a vocal impersonator.
So why Bill? All that surgery, All that makeup, wigs, needles. Why him?
Because he agreed , because the surgeons could use him, because there was NO TIME!
I think they must have had a window of opportunity of a few weeks at most before they would have had to call the game...
So what could we learn from the evidence posted here?
You don't need a lookalike , you need close enough and a willing actor to take on the role....of a lifetime.
Horseshoes, Hand Grenades and Impersonation ( What are things where close enough counts , Alex? )
and besides, the fact that Bill and Big George have a resemblance to one another is a clue for cryin' out loud!
Billy Martin whoozat? Apollo C. Vermouth ( Martini + Rossi )? Huh?!?!?!?
Picky picky is fine but c'mon. Do the research, Then try to understand it. Then maybe you can properly engage and debate the person who's trying to show you the truth. You might actually learn something in the process.
Don't you see that it would be so much easier to just say that man at the piano on the White album is young George Martin? Then guys like Mac and Red Lion would be happy and we could all sleep a little easier....
but I thought we were after the truth here....not the easy sell.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Apr 21, 2005 6:55:40 GMT
Bill had/has to wear prostheses, makeup and endure facial injections in addition to having plastic surgery on his nose, eyelids and other parts of his face. If you've been paying attention , these things will become readily apparent. All the evidence has been posted already. For those of you who moan about the search engine , I say BullSh*t! You're not trying hard enough! It's all here and it's well documented. Instead of moaning about how you don't get it, maybe you could take the information patiently presented to you and use it. How about this.. The man they chose was a compromise. He was too tall, he was right handed, his hair was the wrong color, his eyes were the wrong color, his nose was too big and his eyes too narrowly spaced. This much is plain to see if one looks. Why then did they use him? Why? Bill's voice is not really that close to Paul's if you actually listen. Denny Laine is much better a vocal impersonator. So why Bill? All that surgery, All that makeup, wigs, needles. Why him? Because he agreed , because the surgeons could use him, because there was NO TIME! I think they must have had a window of opportunity of a few weeks at most before they would have had to call the game... So what could we learn from the evidence posted here? You don't need a lookalike , you need close enough and a willing actor to take on the role....of a lifetime. Horseshoes, Hand Grenades and Impersonation ( What are things where close enough counts , Alex? ) and besides, the fact that Bill and Big George have a resemblance to one another is a clue for cryin' out loud! Billy Martin whoozat? Apollo C. Vermouth ( Martini + Rossi )? Huh?!?!?!? Picky picky is fine but c'mon. Do the research, Then try to understand it. Then maybe you can properly engage and debate the person who's trying to show you the truth. You might actually learn something in the process. Don't you see that it would be so much easier to just say that man at the piano on the White album is young George Martin? Then guys like Mac and Red Lion would be happy and we could all sleep a little easier.... but I thought we were after the truth here....not the easy sell. That's just PERFECTLY my thoughts in .... better English! [glow=red,2,300] MASTERPIECE![/glow]
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Post by Perplexed on Apr 21, 2005 7:10:43 GMT
What?
Billy and Sir George are relatives?
Like, "I am your father, Luke?" An unknown son?.........
I guess not, though.........
.......or, cousins? Or, Uncle George?
Say, was Lennon estranged somewhat from George Martin in the seventies? By John's bitterness?
My God, John was bitter, sullen, hiding it, and struggling with putting on his own "I'm happy and high" facade in New York for several years........
.....if John resented the arrangement of Sir George's cousin Bill, as, in Lennon's mind, the band's "interloper"...............
...so, Yoko, then, whether on purpose or not, seves as a kind of distractor, baby-sitter, "mood moderator" for John's unpredictable., er, am I wrong in guessing this, "outbursts"?
Did John bust out into crazy schisms without warning? And Ms. Ono being the one who could soothe him down into a mellow acceptance?
For 14 years.
And then poor crazy Chapman comes along.
He had also been unhappy.
And, now, Sir George has many complex memories. And, they probably all meant well at the start--that is, after the sad times of 1966.
The ugly, ugly autumn of 1966. I think of it, and see overcast skies, feel wind, sporadic rain, a cold draft, a tattered film roll in black and white, and a coterie of people running panicked across a bleak, wind-swept field on the most agonizing day of their entire lives. A helicopter. Tears. A sick knot in the bottom of John's stomach that escalated rapidly into an uncontrollable hysteria. John blacks out. John comes to on a stretcher under a blanket, trembling, shaking, sobbing. The nurse--a needle--some tranquilizer-----sleep---tears---3 days in bed----black-out curtains---and then to Spain? With tranquilizers---and a nurse/confidant/guardian/psychiatrist.........days of shooting---early to bed well medicated---a session each night in private to sort out and eek out the pain-----i cant live with this i cant live with this i cant do it--i wanna die---he says over and over......he knows the Cynthia marraige is doomed now----it was already failing-----she'll freak-----
George is out a view and treated for depression and anguish....
Ringo copes by drinking and staying close to the Maureen......
George Martin has lived enough to not let the devastation he feels take away his composure. Stalwart. Restrained. Thoughtful. Dedicated. Nationally proud. Not a quitter.
It is, perhaps, all George's idea?
For after all, what would 3 Liverpool lads know of "doubles" and such? To them, that is a silly James Bond movie, like their movie "Help."
Help is the sotry of what happened to the Beatles, told a year too soon. But, not Ringo, but it was Paul wore the red ring in life, and was painted with blood and sacrificed by the savage twist of fate that took his and Brian's life............and just like in the movie where the Beatles all wore deceptive masks to be decoys for Ringo, the same was done de facto for Paul.
And the dedication? To "Elias"("Alias") Howe" inventor of the "Singer Sewing Machine?" (what was the year?....)
Dedicated to a "singer", how? By alias.................
Do we have this all "sewn up", or what?
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Post by Perplexed on Apr 21, 2005 7:34:49 GMT
And suddenly in all of this--I see the key, the key to it all. I don't know how it fits in the lock, exactly, though....... Because, you see, Neil Aspinall does something we don't read about him doing so much of. He leaves work in London and joins John in Germany. And they go to "France", and John has done a strange thing, he's left filming of a location picture in the middle of a shoot. How uncharactoristic. It is strange. Neil leaves to be with John; John and Neil leave together to go and "see" Paul and Brian. George and Ringo are not really around. Neil stays by John's side for a while in Spain, and Ringo joins up with them in , where, Almeria? How often did Neil go out to meet John? Why not be with Brian and Paul, and the three of them go and meet John in Germany? But, you see, its weird that John left shooting to make a visit---but the 3 who were more or less free and on "holiday", couldn't be together and rendez-vous with John instead. DO you get what I am saying? John was working and had to take a little leave. How convenient the shooting allowed that! That is unusual in movies...... John's departure was accomodated by the director-that's how it looks to me. Like, Neil, Ringo, and Paul couldn't be the ones to go see John, since THEY were free to gandy about that week........ Didn't they see enough of each other on tours for 2.5 years? John could say--hey, I'll see you in six weeks when shooting is over. They'd all been in Paris before...... And John was in the Orly airport with Neil in that photo in mid-September..... Why? Did they fly from Germany to Paris? That works...but Paul and Brian were driving back to England? Or, flying back to England? Or walking back to England? There are no such pictures of Paul and Brian in the Orly airport. I guess the photographer's just missed them? Good thing they happen to see John and Neil... Or were, Brian and Paul TAKEN back to England? So, it becomes a car wreck in France, then? NOT in England..... And, how many pictures there are of the four Beatles in India. Yet, when George was there the first time, in September 1966, yes? No pictures. I guess they didn't want pictures of Ringo or George or Paul or Brian. No, no, just a picture of John and Neil on a shuttle bus at an airport. No interview. Are there other times when John and Neil just had to fraternize together away from London without the others? This sounds paranoid, I agree. But, I think it points to one idea: Neil was there with John to handle urgent, official business. The marshmallow roasts in Almeria were just a plus. I just stuck the key in the lock, but I found out that the door is already open.
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