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Post by Red Lion on Apr 21, 2005 10:27:16 GMT
Don't you see that it would be so much easier to just say that man at the piano on the White album is young George Martin? Then guys like Mac and Red Lion would be happy and we could all sleep a little easier.... but I thought we were after the truth here....not the easy sell. Its not a question of happiness but rather accuracy.The truth is fine, wild goose chases arent. Do have a modicum of common sense when you view that picture.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Apr 21, 2005 13:40:47 GMT
What? Billy and Sir George are relatives? Like, "I am your father, Luke?" An unknown son?......... I guess not, though......... .......or, cousins? Or, Uncle George? Say, was Lennon estranged somewhat from George Martin in the seventies? By John's bitterness? My God, John was bitter, sullen, hiding it, and struggling with putting on his own "I'm happy and high" facade in New York for several years........ .....if John resented the arrangement of Sir George's cousin Bill, as, in Lennon's mind, the band's "interloper"............... ...so, Yoko, then, whether on purpose or not, seves as a kind of distractor, baby-sitter, "mood moderator" for John's unpredictable., er, am I wrong in guessing this, "outbursts"? Did John bust out into crazy schisms without warning? And Ms. Ono being the one who could soothe him down into a mellow acceptance? Ahhh.... that's the reason why John Lennon chose Phil Spector as arranger ... The DeZombificator - Perplexed ... THANK YOU once again!
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Post by BeatlePaul on Apr 21, 2005 13:46:03 GMT
The DeZombificator, it was so hard for them to accept that Paul was replaced for real, that now I can understand when I show Billy that was not a "natural" lookalike (as Marisa Sannia was for Sylvie Vartan) but just a vocal imitator set up as a double and they don't "believe" me.
They are feeling as double-cheated.
I can understand their fellings about.
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Post by Skydeli on Apr 21, 2005 15:36:51 GMT
"Bill's voice is not really that close to Paul's if you actually listen. Denny Laine is much better a vocal impersonator." I guess I could say that Im still confused about some photos here, but on the 60IF page, the person quoted as the 'vocal imitator' as now being- Denny Laine- I say not! Look at a pic of Denny: www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/2214/dlain_b.htm-- around the same year, under the Moody Blues. This is Denny Laine. It doesnt look to me that the vocal imitator is the same person.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Apr 21, 2005 16:14:16 GMT
It could be "easier" if I'd show ONLY those pictures:
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Post by BeatlePaul on Apr 21, 2005 16:18:18 GMT
"Bill's voice is not really that close to Paul's if you actually listen. Denny Laine is much better a vocal impersonator." I guess I could say that Im still confused about some photos here, but on the 60IF page, the person quoted as the 'vocal imitator' as now being- Denny Laine- I say not! Look at a pic of Denny: www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Palladium/2214/dlain_b.htm-- around the same year, under the Moody Blues. This is Denny Laine. It doesnt look to me that the vocal imitator is the same person. Referring to those picture it's Denny. Referring those "other" pictures it seems like Denny Laine was made up as a joker. But ear shape is still Denny's.
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Post by Perplexed on Apr 21, 2005 22:33:38 GMT
To which I add:
Isn't it kind of fishy that Brian Epstien went into rehab in late September right after being with (supposedly) Paul in France, and seeing Neil, and John in Paris?
Wouldn't they all have noticed Brian's state? (especially if he was dead, sorry)
And, as close and tight kniw as they all were, Brian, their LEADER, supposedly goes into rehab in is "out of control" on drugs.
So, Paul takes a vacation in Africa with Mal? Has he no interest in spending time with his girlfriend? Ms. Asher?(of course we know why; he was dead by then)
But, Paul going off to be with Mal in Africa, Spain, and Colorado is so implausible. He spent more time with a big chubby bodyguard than with a girl who supposedly loved him.
Supposedly, Paul writes "You won't see me", because she isn't spending enough time with him.
So, is it logical that Paul would turn around and go off with Mal Evans from October thru November, and come back and rush into the recording studio?
From September 1966, Paul has no more genuine pursuit or interest in Jane Asher. Which, is why I believe now that Jane was always just a friend, a "press release" girlfriend. It was convenient for both of them. I think there was not so much romance with those two in 1966 anymore, the real Paul and her I mean.
So, "Paul and Jane" had been, and still was a storybook newspaper thing.
I think George was not in India alll thru the fall of 66. I think he was "away" convalescing emotionally........
In the video of "Hey Jude" with William singing, the one from the David Frost show, it looks to me like John says a bad thing to William in the repeated choruses on the end.
Everyone is singing "Na-na-na-na-na-na, He-hey, Jude"!
Almost in sync with "Hey Jude", John appears to shout, "I hate you!" at William. Ugly. Scary.
Then, he shouts something at William that does not match any singing. It comes during a beat when there is no singing. John appears to shout: "I know what I said!"
Gave me a shiver. Maybe he was playing little cutesy camera games.
George and John have this giggly in-joke smirking glancy-pansy thing at each other sometimes. Actually, makes one uncomfortable to watch. I guess they were uncomfortable. But really, they weren't school boys anymore. Act grown up! But, maybe the cannibis makes some maturity reversal in certain people in certain situations. I don't know. What am I trying to be, the analyst?
I notice more and more that after Bill came, all three of them are faking there lip-synch, and saying snide things at Bill.
George screams "Try to play in synch!" at William during the video of Revolution. And then turns his head back and smiles benignly, like, "oh, sorry to snap at you on camera..." or something......That could have been excised in the editing room......
In "Penny Lane", as the camera pans across their four heads at one point, George appears to say "Paul'zdead" twice, real fast. John says "HELP ME!" just before the camera cuts away. It's right before the dinner table comes on outdoors.....
During "Hey Jude", Ringo looks frustrated at the big lug next to him and snaps: "Hey, Fuss-butt, SWAY!!!!!" Then the uncoordinated guy smiles nervously and begins to sway, awkwardly.
What a miserable mess.
EVERYBODY....SMILE!!!! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D;D
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Post by beatled on Apr 22, 2005 3:24:11 GMT
So, "Paul and Jane" had been, and still was a storybook newspaper thing. Yes I agree, good friends, very good friends perhaps, but yeah a good couple for the news releases, leaving him free to pursue other interests. Ok, you made me crazy for a lip reading hunt.. ;D
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Post by TheDZ on Apr 22, 2005 3:56:14 GMT
1966.proboards40.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1107127839Surely you prefer more than a token amount of common sense, Red Lion. I took the time to look, more than a little bit. Surely also, the Piano man bears a resemblance to George Martin. I won't debate that. But if you actually look at the comparison, actually look at the details, then you will see that it isn't George. For me it's in the nose, most specifically the angle from nose tip to lip/nostril .Pretty big difference IMO As the night progresses, the cheeks deflate and Bill comes out... "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."
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Post by plastic paul on Apr 22, 2005 14:02:56 GMT
I'm on the fence, i can't tell whether it's george or not, i thought it was but i also noticed differences. However, for comparative purposes, is it not better to have a contemporary picture to the "piano guy" and have him smiling to determine whether he has that line? One thing i must say, the more i look at it the less i think it's george
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Post by ReallyReallyDead on Apr 22, 2005 14:12:24 GMT
And another thing in the Hey Jude video, at one point when Faul is singing "remember to let her into your heart, then you can start", he is looking at John. John looks over and sees, then raises his eyebrows, then mouthes some sort of reply, something like "I know." Then looks away disgusted, and Faul looks back forward smiling. members.lycos.co.uk/noodlzforum/johnsreply.mov(once again, copy and paste to address bar) A Hey Jude/Hey John clue?
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Post by Dr.No on Apr 22, 2005 17:53:30 GMT
I thought that the picture with teh blue tint and the pic with "denny looking like the joker" (sorry, im too tired to bother posting pics) were Neil Aspinall (sp?).
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Post by cavendish on Apr 22, 2005 18:34:23 GMT
Perplexed - spot on, concerning the videos. It seems that John & Bill had a love - hate relationship
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Post by Red Lion on Apr 22, 2005 19:07:32 GMT
1966.proboards40.com/index.cgi?board=general&action=display&thread=1107127839Surely you prefer more than a token amount of common sense, Red Lion. I took the time to look, more than a little bit. Surely also, the Piano man bears a resemblance to George Martin. I won't debate that. But if you actually look at the comparison, actually look at the details, then you will see that it isn't George. For me it's in the nose, most specifically the angle from nose tip to lip/nostril .Pretty big difference IMO As the night progresses, the cheeks deflate and Bill comes out... "There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy." All paths will eventually lead you to the truth. Enjoy the long road.
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Post by McGarrett-Five-0 on Apr 22, 2005 20:59:02 GMT
Found this web-site that plays the entire video. Just scroll down about half way and you'll see it. It will start automatically.www.thesahara.net/paul_video.htm
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Post by TheDZ on Apr 23, 2005 21:29:03 GMT
In the Flesh? (Waters) 3:17
"....we came in?"
So ya Thought ya Might like to go to the show. To feel the warm thrill of confusion That space cadet glow. Tell me is something eluding you, sunshine? Is this not what you expected to see? If you wanna find out what's behind these cold eyes You'll just have to claw your way through this disguise.
"Lights! Turn on the sound effects! Action!" "Drop it, drop it on 'em! Drop it on them!!!!!"
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Post by beatled on Apr 24, 2005 1:01:24 GMT
The Hey Jude video you were talikg about Perplexed:
http://*banned link*/Shoebox/HeyJude.wmv
I think it's interesting that just before that scene you describe, John pushes the microphone aside!
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Post by ReallyReallyDead on Apr 24, 2005 10:31:59 GMT
can someone say what the time of those things are in the hey jude video (as in 4:26-4:29 or whatever)
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Post by beatled on Apr 24, 2005 15:02:29 GMT
Pushes the mic away at 6:04, then I believe what Perplexed is refering to takes place at 6:14-6:17. I'm not sure about the "I hate you" part, but it does look like he says "I know what I said".
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Post by TPIMaster on Apr 24, 2005 18:57:35 GMT
Hello there, Faul. Why are you wearing that hat? Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you were Faul, I'll check in the back. I wonder who that weird fellow is at the back of the bus... (Faul of course) Let's ask him who he is exactly... What? You want to show your face to the camera? Oh my, you have lovely green eyes and they aren't retouched... I just love your green eyes! ;D Edit: and now for some unretouched fools on the hill: Second one looks a bit Paul-ish I must say...
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Post by plastic paul on Apr 24, 2005 22:45:42 GMT
No need to say they struggled to belive the story in the first place, just this particular example, and you are winning anyway coz someone put some info on another thread that i had to concede was very thought provoking
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Post by BeatlePaul on Apr 26, 2005 15:02:32 GMT
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Post by BeatlePaul on Apr 26, 2005 15:34:17 GMT
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Post by gracemer on May 27, 2005 6:54:16 GMT
People know ......... "Local Beatle fiend Jeff McAllister, a fan and collector of memorabilia for 40 years, dug a little deeper -- all the way back to the "Paul is dead" conspiracy theories. "My favorite Beatle is the guy who replaced Paul McCartney in 1966, William Campbell," said McAllister, drummer for Hank Williams Jr. and Hellfish. "He did a hell of a job, too, man. He's still laughing all the way to the bank." www.courier-journal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050523/SCENE04/505230320
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Post by cavendish on May 27, 2005 20:36:12 GMT
Thank you gracemer, that was very illuminating !
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