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Post by Dr.No on Sept 11, 2005 7:21:52 GMT
I just listened to the new Macca album and I must say I'm impressed. It starts off with the poppy single "Fine Line" which I don't care too much for, but it has it's charm. Once the money-making single is out of the way the rest of the album is a real treat. The sounds on this album really transport you to a place I don't think McCartney albums have really explored before. You get a good sense of a heavy headed writer reflecting on his past and present in a more serious manner. His signiature light-heartedness is still present, but much more humble and almost solemn at times.
The instruments and mixing are top notch. The clarity isn't quite as moving as some tracks from Flaming Pie, but they still posess an eerie, touching quality. I havent looked into it, but I detect some Jeff Lynne influenced progressions and arrangements (which is awesome).
Overall i give it a 9/10.
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Post by beatled on Sept 11, 2005 16:56:05 GMT
Agreed, it's a great album. One of my favorite reviews: From a larger article with an "aging rock stars" theme, the last couple of paragraphs. tinyurl.com/c8v9uIntriguingly, McCartney's new album shows signs of such maturity. Radiohead producer Nigel Godrich has avoided trying to modernise McCartney's sound but has instead dragged the star out of his comfort zone. The result is a quite beautiful piece of work. Almost entirely devoid of the singalong ditties that have become McCartney's calling card, this is a melancholic, emotional collection that has the feel of an interwoven suite of eccentric minor-key gems. It is unlikely to win him new fans, and may baffle older ones, but it exploits his talent for melody and whimsy and, significantly, sounds unique.
The Stones, on the other hand, have gone in completely the opposite direction, with perhaps their most immature record in three decades. It is a fast, furious and dirty burst of rock and roll Viagra. Listening to Mick Jagger sing about one-night stands and no-good women, you may start to wonder when he is going to grow up, but the chances are that by the time the snaky Keith Richards riffs take hold, you'll just be happy to accept that some people never do.
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Sept 11, 2005 22:22:57 GMT
From the New York Post Sunday Sept 11, '05
(3 stars out of four)
"It's been a long time since Sir (F)aul mined a gold record and Chaos and Creation once again misses the mother lode. But at least it offers adult pop where Macca acts his age without apology. The result is a collection that's easy on the ear, although nothing to compare to his glory days. (F)aul haters will smile knowing there's a fluff factor in the 13 tracks, in both melody and lyrics. There are lazy songs that wallow mopily, like 'Jenny Wren' and 'At The Mercy'. Yet the earnest delivery of 'Too Much Rain" and 'A Certain Softness' balances out that filler. The energetic opener, 'Fine Line', ranks among the album's best, along with the uncharacteristically dark 'Riding To Vanity Fair' where McCartney questions the nature of friendship in a minor key. If you like (F)aul, you'll like this; if not, stay clear. Download this: 'Too Much Rain' "
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Sept 12, 2005 15:03:34 GMT
GuitarJon and JoJo and anyone else: Do any of the songs seem to have new clues regarding PID, as far as you can tell?
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Post by Dr.No on Sept 13, 2005 0:24:06 GMT
I haven't listened to it in much detail as of yet. But as soon as I find anything I will post.
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Post by TPIMaster on Sept 13, 2005 15:41:23 GMT
Chaos And Creation rules. But so far I haven't found a single PID clue. Guess he's running out of clues. ;D
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Sept 13, 2005 19:38:30 GMT
OK, well I heard about 3/4 of the album on a local FM station today, (missed the first 4 songs) and threw in a tape. aaaaand I think "Friends to go" qualifies as a 'clew'. The lyrics about, "I've been waiting on the other side...for your friends to go", and "I've spent a lot of time on my own" (so no need to give the lingering friends the bum's rush) suggest Paul, waiting to be channeled by Faul, is waiting for the friends of Faul to leave so that Faul has privacy to channel the latest musical offerings of Paul, or something like that. I didn't hear all of "At the Mercy", but that might be cluefull (cluefull? ) from what I was able to get. "Riding to Vanity Fair" must be about someone, but who? And one last observation: If George had to pay royalties because "My Sweet Lord" was a rip-off of "He's So Fine", then Faul should pay for the piano piece in "Anyway"(?)(the last song) because it's "People Get Ready [there's a train a-comin']" note for note!
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Post by TPIMaster on Sept 13, 2005 19:55:15 GMT
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Sept 13, 2005 20:13:07 GMT
Jenny Wren
Like so many girls, Jenny Wren could sing But a broken heart, took her soul away Like the other girls, Jenny Wren took wing She could see the world, and it's foolish ways
How we spend our days, casting love aside Loosing sight of life, day by day She saw poverty, breaking all the home Wounded warriors, took her song away
(solo) verse, chorus
But the day will come, Jenny Wren will sing When this broken world, mends its foolish ways Now we spend our days catching up on life All because of you, Jenny Wren
[Previous comments deleted. I was thinking of JW as Sylvie, but if we go by MMT, "she" is Paul during his, uh, post-flight days. (Sorry SMA).]
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Post by TPIMaster on Sept 13, 2005 20:40:57 GMT
It's a good song. Blackbird style.
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Sept 13, 2005 22:15:16 GMT
There's another 15 second gap!!! At the end of "Anyway" the ballad, there's a 15 second gap and then the song goes on into a "psychedelic" mode. Just like there was a 15 second gap between "And In the End" and "Her Majesty" on Abbey Road, and there were 15 repetitions of the chorus line of "She's So Heavy" as well. So what does 15 mean? In numerology: a communicator of wisdom But what does it mean as a clue about PID?
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Post by Dr.No on Sept 13, 2005 22:41:23 GMT
I think "Friends to go" qualifies as a 'clew'. I thought so too. But I think the meaning is different. Something more like: he (Billy) is waiting for the 'Paul thing' to be over so he can go back to being himself, if just for a little while in his last years.
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Post by beatled on Sept 13, 2005 23:35:27 GMT
Well he isn't going to top that little insert in "Rinse the Raindrops".
Don't think there's anything that stands out as a clue per se, the sum of the parts seems to be a reflection of his life, his feelings. Most reviewers see "Vanity Fair" as the one song that reflects bitterness, at who, yes.
Too Much Rain ("it's not right..in one life" he sings) would seem to be a song about too much tragedy, one uses "rain" to mean that, e.g. "when it rains it pours". Or, "don't rain on my parade".
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Post by Dr.No on Sept 14, 2005 2:49:52 GMT
Consider this: The album is called "Chaos and Creation in the Backyard". When looking for these words as lyrics you find 2 songs: 'Fine Line' (track 1: "..chaos and creation..") and 'Promise to You Girl' (track 11: "..backyard.."). Could there be a clue hidden somewhere that requires combining lyrics from the two? Could the numbers 1 and 11 have significance? What do the tracks between the songs mean? what do the songs after track 11 mean? Due tomorrow, show your work.
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Sept 15, 2005 14:12:41 GMT
The album is called "Chaos and Creation in the Backyard" what do the songs after track 11 mean? Due tomorrow, show your work. Well, ok, but you'll be sorry! ;D 1. Byrds was thinking about the 15 second gap at the end of "Anyway" on C&C before the music continues. The 15 seconds like the 15 repetitions on "She's so Heavy" and the 15 seconds between "And In the End" and "Her Majesty" on Abbey Road. 2. Remembered lyrics: "She said she'd always been a dancer She worked at FIFTEEN clubs a day." So who worked at '15 clubs a day'? The early Beatles. 3.Thought of: "She Came In Through The Bathroom Window" lyrics in general. "She came in through the bathroom window protected by a sliver spoon but now she she sucks her thumb and wanders By the banks of her own lagoon." 4. Thought about "Jenny Wren", a bird. 5. Thought about "Blackbird", a song about Faul being asked to pick up Paul's career: "Take these broken wings and learn to fly" "Take these sunken eyes and learn to see" (So Paul described as a dead bird here.) 6. Thought of DZ's speculation that woman dressed in brown in MMT represented "Jenny Wren". 7. Thought of a jenny wren (bird) coming in through the bathroom window, breaking a wing. In the U.S., people say "If a bird comes in the house, somebody's going to die" (or someone you know has died). 8. Pictured John hearing a crash in his bathroom; finds a jenny wren has flown into it and broken its wing. John thinks, "Someone has died". Then he gets news of Paul's death. 9. She came in through the bathroom window (jenny wren representing Paul) "protected by a slilver spoon" ( Paul, Beatles, protected by the queen's guard squad) "But now she sucks her thumb and wanders (she/Paul is "out of it".) By the banks of her own lagoon. (Paul is in his own little world; out of touch with reality; crazy.) 10. Thought: then does "15" represent a period of time, like months, that Paul is "crazy"? There's the 'sane' Paul, and then, over 15 months, he slowly went crazy? 11. Thought: "She's so heavy" 15 repetitions meaning "Paul, being crazy for 15 months, is a burden; a pain in the a##, both emotionally for the other Beatles, and and all that has to be done having to maintain illusion of him being alive and well. 12. Thinking of 15 seconds before "Her Majesty": "Her Majesty's a pretty nice girl But she doesn't have a lot to say (like the Fool on the Hill doesn't say much, but takes it all in) 'Her Majesty's a pretty nice girl, but she changes from day to day (she's crazy) I'm gonna tell her that I love her a lot, but I gotta get a belly full of wine (Has to drink to deal with difficulty of telling one who has gone crazy that she's loved none-the-less). Therefore: 'Her Majesty' is Paul in his insane, and female state. 13. Back to "Anyway" song on C&C; there's a ballad, a 15 second pause, and then the music continues, gradually GOING INSANE! 14. Paul's/Jenny Wren's descent into insanity causes "Chaos" for the Beatles, "And Creation" of a new 'Paul' to keep the show going. "Chaos and Creation In the(ir) Back Yard." 15. After 15 long months of insanity, Paul expires. "Jenny Wren Like so many girls, Jenny Wren could sing But a broken heart, took her soul away." That's gotta be it, right? Do I get an "A", or at least an "E" for effort? (I know that she couldn't be dead, and wandering by the banks of her own lagoon at the same time. Two things to consider: 1. The album Abbey Road was being written with hindsight. 2. There's a possibility that Paul may have been accused of being involved with the murder of the two playwrites discussed in the thread about "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" at the Revolution 9 site. Perhaps the culprit came into their appartment via the bathroom window. BTW, I am presently inclined to think that the "Maxwell" in "Maxwell's Silver Hammer" is the English newspaper publisher Robert Maxwell who was "disappeared" in his yacht at sea a few years back. The trial in the song may refer to being "tried in the press", and may be related to the "Read the Daily Mirror" clue in the song "Let It Be.")
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Sept 15, 2005 21:44:54 GMT
What do the songs after track 11 mean? Assuming I heard the songs played in the order they are on the CD: #12. "This Never Happened Before" (Pure mush, as far as I can tell; unworthy of comment.) #13. "Anyway" "People get ready, there's a train a-comin' - OOPS! ;D "If you love me, won't you call me? I've been waiting; waiting too long. In my soul is constant yearning, Always singing; singing this song. Only love is strong enough to take it on the chin; When did I begin to fall? chorus: Anyway, anyway, you can make that call. You feel free to make yourself at home. Aaaaaah; Ooooh. If we could be closer longer, that would help me; Help me so much. We can cure each others' sorrow. Won't you please, please, please get in touch? If a love is strong enough it may never end. Why would I pretend to fall? Wooooh. chorus Any way, any way, any way at all Any way that you can, make that call!" (15 second pause; then instrumental music that slowly goes crazy) My take on this is that it's supposed to be a message from the spirit of Paul to Jane Asher, with Faul acting as the medium. He tells her his soul is in constant yearning for her, and, noting that their love 'took it on the chin' in part because of his philandering, he asks, "When did I start to fall?", meaning, "When did I start to lose my sanity? When did I start doing you wrong?" Offering the hopeful suggestion that love is strong enough to take a beating, he then asks her to give him "a call", not on the phone, but in spirit, at her convenience. "Make yourself at home" he suggests, knowing that even though it might be awkward for her, he wants her not to feel uneasy; he wants to hear whatever she has to say. He goes on to say that he'd like to be closer to her, claiming it would be a help to him in his present state, and, evidently hoping to resolve past issues, suggests that they could cure each others' sorrows (disappointments with each other). Then he out and out begs her to please, please, please "get in touch". Clearly hoping for a restoration of their relationship in an eternal sense, he tells her, "If a love is strong enough it may never end." And then in an amusing play on words he asks, "Why would I pretend to fall? (in love)", but he's also asking, "Why would I be pretending about my sincerity to you with Faul?". Remember, Jane knows who 'Faul' is, having been his escort to India to see the Maharishi. She knows that the mission was to see how they could meld Paul's spirit with Faul's. So the lyric could be written: "Why would I pretend, to Faul?" Nod, nod; wink, wink. The fact that after the 15 second interlude, designating "Jenny Wren" or "crazy Paul" the music goes from being melodious to dischordant is meant to suggest, "Hey, I was crazy; I didn't know what I was doing; I was on drugs; was suffering brain damage. It wasn't the real me. The real me wants you back, please."imo. I don't think he is asking Jane to dump her husband in this life. What I think he is saying is: "Call me. let's talk. We can be rejoined on a soul level, and possibly in eternity." That is the message, if Faul's mediumship is to be trusted, imo. For my two cents, I think it's right on the money, but I don't know whether Jane will think she wants to reconnect with Paul while she's living her present, Earthly existence. She may want to stay with her present mate in the after-death state. If Paul and Jane are soulmates, that may become apparent to them on the other level, but I don't know that she is in a position to commit to anything at this time. Still, he's saying, "Let's talk."
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Post by McGarrett-Five-0 on Sept 16, 2005 22:54:43 GMT
Just me...but I think 'This never happened before' is the very best track on the CD.
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Sept 20, 2005 13:13:12 GMT
Look at these lyrics, keeping the referenced scriptures in mind.. I think Faul is deliberately making the connection here. "Chaos and Creation" is an allusion to the first verses of the first book of the Bible, "Genesis". (The Earth was 'in chaos'.) "And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man named Matthew, sitting at the reciept of custom: and he saith to him, "Follow me". (Matt 9:9) (Christ's words to call a disciple.) "Be ye followers of me, even as I also am of Christ." the Apostle Paul (1 Cor 11:1) FOLLOW ME (Faul) You lift up my spirits, you shine on my soul Whenever I'm empty, you make me feel whole I can rely on you, to guide me through, any situation You hold up a sign that reads, follow me. You give me direction, you show me the way You give me a reason, to face every day I can depend on you, to send me to, any destination You hold up a sign that reads, follow me, follow me. Down the track of lonelines, down the path of love Through the words of heartache, to the end On the shores of sorrow, where the waves of hope crash in The perfect place for me to find a friend. ahh yeah yeah yeah, oh You lead to places, that I've never been Uncovering secrets, that I've never seen I can rely on you, to guide me through, any situation You hold up a sign that reads, follow me, follow me, Follow me, follow me, Follow me, follow me AT THE MERCY (Faul) At the mercy, at the mercy At the mercy of a busy road, Who can handle such a heavy load? At the mercy, At the mercy At the mercy of a busy day, We can think of nothing more to say If you show me love, I won't refuse I know you'd never make me choose Between the love I've got and the love I'd lose Sometimes I'd rather run and hide, Then stay and face the fear inside At the mercy, at the mercy At the mercy of a busy day, Who can bear to turn their head away? At the mercy, at the mercy At the mercy of a busy road We can watch the universe explode
If you take me up, I won't say no I guess you'd rather see me grow Into a better man than the one you knowSometimes my head is hanging low It's time to get on with the show At the mercy, at the mercy At the mercy of a busy day I can think of nothing more to say Sounds like Faul "got religion", doesn't it? A FINE LINE (Faul) There is a fine line, between recklessness and courage It's about time, you understood which road to take It's a fine line, your decision makes a difference Get it wrong, you'll be making a big mistake Come on brother, all is forgiven We all cried when you were driven away Come on brother, everything is better Everything is better when you come home and stayWhatever's more important to you You've got to change what you wanna do Whatever's more important to be That's the view that you've gotta see There is a long way, between chaos and creation If you don't say, which one of these your gonna choose It's a long way, and in every contradiction Seems to say it's a game that your bound to loose Come on brother, all is forgiven We all cried when you were driven away Come on brother, everything is better Everything is better when you come home and stayCome on back Come on back Come on back to me It's a fine line It's a fine line (etc.) (Reconcilliation of Esau and Jacob hinted at here, imo. Means more in the modern context. Note posts # 6 and 11 at this NIR thread: invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=Clues&action=display&thread=1126774851&page=1The image of "the spirit of JPM" guiding the album is suggested. I may add more comments later.)
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Post by defhermit on Sept 20, 2005 15:51:58 GMT
kind of chaos and creation related... www.slate.com/id/2126568/?nav=tap3article on slate about some ad that has Faul/Paul in it for Fidelity... shows his pictures through the years... thought it was funny that the name of the article was "Paul, is that You?"...
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Post by Perplexed on Sept 20, 2005 18:10:45 GMT
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Post by Perplexed on Sept 20, 2005 18:12:32 GMT
kind of chaos and creation related... www.slate.com/id/2126568/?nav=tap3article on slate about some ad that has Faul/Paul in it for Fidelity... shows his pictures through the years... thought it was funny that the name of the article was "Paul, is that You?"... The article seems to be speaking on two levels. Nothing bad, of course, something about fidelity, consistency......perpetuating values.
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Post by Perplexed on Sept 20, 2005 18:15:41 GMT
OK, "Friends to Go"--I just got it. It's billy writing it, but it's got this John Lennon karma on it, with a dash of James Paul. Like if James Paul and Leninon were in a pub in '65 and were cranking one out over lunch. The changes, IMO, or JP, but the tune, words, JWL is in the air. IMO.
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Post by beatled on Sept 20, 2005 23:18:19 GMT
(Reconcilliation of Esau and Jacob hinted at here, imo. Means more in the modern context. You may be on to something there Byrds. From: www.christiananswers.net/dictionary/jacob.htmlThe first line makes you go whoah! Jacob
Meaning: one who follows on another's heels; supplanter
(Gen. 25:26; 27:36; Hos. 12:2-4)
1: the second born of the twin sons of Isaac by RebekahI have to admit I'm not real well versed in these matters but..I wouldn't be surprised if Bill was basing the song on this story from the bible, why not?
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Sept 21, 2005 0:13:37 GMT
The relevant part from source sited by JoJo above:
"He [Jacob] now hears with dismay of the approach of his brother Esau with a band of 400 men to meet him. In great agony of mind he prepares for the worst. He feels that he must now depend only on God, and he betakes himself to him in earnest prayer, and sends on before him a munificent present to Esau, "a present to my lord Esau from thy servant Jacob." .... While thus engaged, there appeared one in the form of a man who wrestled with him. In this mysterious contest Jacob prevailed, and as a memorial of it his name was changed to Israel (wrestler with God)... After this anxious night, Jacob went on his way, halting, mysteriously weakened by the conflict, but strong in the assurance of the divine favor. Esau came forth and met him; but his spirit of revenge was appeased, and the brothers met as friends, and during the remainder of their lives they maintained friendly relations. "
I hadn't really meant to go that deep into the story of Jacob and Esau. But just as Jacob had stolen the birthright blessing from Esau, it could be said that Faul has "stolen" the birthright of Paul, and he may have had regrets, turning to God for forgiveness. Note that the two brothers were reconciled.
Changing direction, just a bit: These lines of "At the Mercy" were interesting to me:
"We can watch the universe explode
If you take me up, I won't say no I guess you'd rather see me grow Into a better man than the one you know."
They fit into context many Christians have about their lives as they get older. They don't mind dying and going to their heavenly reward, but also are willing to stay alive for the sake of acheiving spiritual perfection. Being in a position to "watch the Universe explode" hints at the conditions described in Matthew 24, and of being "raptured".
Again, the point is there seems to be a religious context to C&C, so it's a context in which to look for clues.
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Post by Dr.No on Sept 25, 2005 14:36:04 GMT
There's another 15 second gap!!! At the end of "Anyway" the ballad, there's a 15 second gap and then the song goes on into a "psychedelic" mode. Just like there was a 15 second gap between "And In the End" and "Her Majesty" on Abbey Road, and there were 15 repetitions of the chorus line of "She's So Heavy" as well. So what does 15 mean? In numerology: a communicator of wisdom But what does it mean as a clue about PID? The gap in 'Anyway' is 23 seconds ...
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