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Post by byrdsmaniac on Sept 25, 2005 16:59:35 GMT
It may be. I was basing my remarks on the tape I made of a radio broadcast of the album, and they may have shortened the gap to keep from having too much "dead air". Still, it probably has some significance. 23 second minus '7-second delay' turned off in the midst of the silence equals 16 seconds. (Close enough.) Btw, 23 in numerology is supposed to represent good fortune and karmic reward for past good behavior. "The blessings of the Lion" or something like that.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Sept 29, 2005 13:35:22 GMT
I've played the album 3 times now, and like it more with each listen. It's a very subtle album, but rich and Godrich has provided something a bit different from the polish and over production that previous McCartney albums, from Tug of War onwards, suffered from. McCartney has bravely bared at least part of his soul here, and should be applauded for this. Where previously aloof, or keen to be the glossy show man, McCartney's Chaos is a surprisingly tender album, not flawless by any means, but containing insightful moments of vulnerability, sadness, hope and without inanity or glib sentimentality. The album also generally lacks "fillers" and although there are a couple of songs I'll skip, on the whole I'm delighted that McCartney has demonstrated that the ability is still there. PS I note that previously on this board it was stated that McCartney's songs were written for him. Regardless of whether you believe PM was replaced, I hope that anyone who actually pays attention to the music has had this notion dispelled. Personally, I have found the evolution of McCartney's song-writing to be a fascinatingly organic process. Hey mac.gov.uk (from your e-mail) there are still forum rules here... Check them out at: 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=guest&action=display&thread=1125555978I don't think that "McCartney" could be a brand name like "Coca-Cola" or "GM" or ... So call it "Billy's music" as it actually is.
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Post by TheDZ on Sept 30, 2005 0:27:41 GMT
Hehe, BP stands up on his own forum..and lays down the law... it's what mods do Plastic, maintain their forum.
Bill is not Paul, he's Faul. There are other forums where people can go and call Bill whatever pleases them. Seems pretty simple really.
If I went on NIR or MFH and started trashing the admins or going against the forum rules, I would get my posts modded or I would be banned. This is quite reasonable.
BP is actually being quite patient here IMO...
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Post by beatled on Sept 30, 2005 1:52:58 GMT
If I went on Nothing Is Real or MFH and started trashing the admins or going against the forum rules, I would get my posts modded or I would be banned. This is quite reasonable. Trashing the admins perhaps, but as time has gone on, we've gotten a little mellower about some rules. I doubt you'd do anything that would rise to the level of a ban, just a hunch. I see pretty clearly, and what I see is that as the level of forgiveness and forbearance towards Bill rises, the corresponding need to quash that sentiment seems to be rising. The mods of any board are perfectly within their rights to run it as they see fit, likewise those who contribute are within their rights to see it as a place to which they no longer wish to contribute. A board is not a place where one sucks up information from it's leader, at least a healthy board isn't, Get My Drift?
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Post by valis on Sept 30, 2005 3:16:56 GMT
Aren't we all imposters?..pretending to be better than we really are?
"What you call real is just electrical signals interpreted by the brain"
All of our outside reality is just a projection of our own mental condition..and I'm ashamed to notice that all the negativity is just another projection of my own issues.
Like a lot of other conjobs being revealed in these information days where all is revealed..it is not about going on a witchhunt and pointing out the evildoers..it is about realizing that outside reality is just a movie reflecting back our own condition.
Even if you think there is a real Beatle Bill, Dick Cheney,Tony Blair,Michael Jackson or whoever... then they are just confused people making mistakes out of a limited distorted understanding of reality. We are all in this together.
I can understand that it may be confusing to refer to Bill as Paul McCartney..for he surely is not. But to me it sometimes sounds like Bill is being vilified around here.
I've always been a huge Bill fan long before I found out his secret..but to me it makes his work much deeper. Compared to all my other fave artists I always noticed that his lyrics seemed to be atleast a bit odd..almost careless. Since I know the story I can read a lot of his lyrics as him having to struggle with being someone he is not..and he pulled of a damn great job at it. All the other artists can concentrate on music while he has to put in a lot of work to keep up the facade. And in a way the conjob itself is a great work of art...it took us over 35 years to really cut through his disguise with tangible evidence. Like most of us, on one point or another in our lives, Bill got into something that looked like a good thing to do at first...until he found out the consequences. Haven't we all been in situations like that?
As we look at history we see lots of tragedies because of people pointing their fingers at others to blame so they didn't have to thoroughly question their own actions..and it always led to pain. Maybe it's time to understand this game...love is all we need.
I think there is a strong connection between the negativity I see on my screen and the fact that I have not been busy scanning lots of cool stuff lately due to my own issues, apathy and fears. Issues which all of us are dealing with these days in one way or another. I really want to get busy again contributing for I love this forum and all these people able to see thru the lies
The whole fakery is a global thing..just look at the world around us..reality is one universal mind reflected thru all of it's parts...and we are finding it out now..so that's good...it gives us a chance to find real solutions...LOVE is all you need.
Sure it must be clear that Bill is no Paul, but he deserves respect like everyone and everything because it is all a part of us.
We are getting there with LOVE and it shines through everywhere if we are just willing to see. Looking forward to fire up the scanner again..I've got some real cool stuff ready to put up so let's all put in some quality detectivework.
Be Excellent
All Love Jan
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Right Where It Belongs
See the animal in it's cage that you built Are you sure what side you're on Better not look him too closely in the eye Are you sure what side of the glass you are on See the safety of the life you have built Everything where it belongs Feel the hollowness inside of your heart And it's all Right where it belongs
What if everything around you Isn't quite as it seems What if all the world you think you know Is an elaborate dream And if you look at your reflection Is it all you wanted to be? What if you could look right through the cracks Would you find yourself Find yourself afraid to see?
What if all the world's inside of your heart Just creations of your own Your devils and your gods All the living and the dead And you really are alone You can live in this illusion You can choose to believe You keep looking but you can't find the words Are you hiding in the dreams? -Nine Inch Nails 2005
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Post by Forum Manager on Sept 30, 2005 3:21:22 GMT
Let's not quibble over words here. If someone is quoting an article which calls who we know as "Billy" "Paul" instead, then that's fine. Paul McCartney is a stage name in any case which Bill inherited so technically it is still correct.
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Post by johnny on Sept 30, 2005 5:09:05 GMT
Yes, False Paul....that's it mates!!!!
That last CD was definitely Chaos.....and Cremation.
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Post by Maacc on Sept 30, 2005 15:06:18 GMT
I've played the album 3 times now, and like it more with each listen. It's a very subtle album, but rich and Godrich has provided something a bit different from the polish and over production that previous McCartney albums, from Tug of War onwards, suffered from. McCartney has bravely bared at least part of his soul here, and should be applauded for this. Where previously aloof, or keen to be the glossy show man, McCartney's Chaos is a surprisingly tender album, not flawless by any means, but containing insightful moments of vulnerability, sadness, hope and without inanity or glib sentimentality. The album also generally lacks "fillers" and although there are a couple of songs I'll skip, on the whole I'm delighted that McCartney has demonstrated that the ability is still there. PS I note that previously on this board it was stated that McCartney's songs were written for him. Regardless of whether you believe PM was replaced, I hope that anyone who actually pays attention to the music has had this notion dispelled. Personally, I have found the evolution of McCartney's song-writing to be a fascinatingly organic process. Hey mac.gov.uk (from your e-mail) there are still forum rules here... Check them out at: 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=guest&action=display&thread=1125555978I don't think that "McCartney" could be a brand name like "Coca-Cola" or "GM" or ... So call it "Billy's music" as it actually is. Sorry...Am I missing something here? I'm aware of the forum rules, and fail to see which one(s) I've broken. I haven't been negative about the PID concept in anyway whatsoever, and neither have I trashed the admins of the board. Explain please? Also whats the reason for publishing part of my email address without my permission - is this supposed to be some kind of intimidation? Or is there an implication that I'm anti-PID "working for the government." If not what was the reason for it? On another thread I asked that BeatlePaul didn't edit a post of mine again without asking. He has replied that he doesn't see that it's a quote, this despite the fact that the prededing paragraph explains what is to follow and I used a colon if not actual quotation marks. In this thread I gave my opinion without reference to whether or not Paul is actually dead or not, but stated that the individual going under the name McCartney is the guy writing the music - not someone else, whether it's Elton John or whoever - this is my opinion - we are still allowed these? You can maintain a policy of editing posts or questioning posters if you like - make sure everyone stays on message and right in line, but ultimately it's the credibility of the forum and its administrators that suffers, and you inevitably faul somewhere between Monty Python and Soviet Russia. Maybe I'm paranoid, but there seems to be a history of petty vindictiveness on the part of some people here.
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Post by abbey on Sept 30, 2005 16:13:11 GMT
Mac, I highly doubt that McCartney wrote anything on that new album by himself. Who knows who is helping him now. Some people around here to seem to have a heavy hand. As far as I can see, you should still be allowed your opinion. That is, unless you try to cram it down everyone else's throats. This is a PID Forum. You will be hard pressed to find many people here who believe otherwise.
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Post by defhermit on Sept 30, 2005 18:13:04 GMT
Mac, I pretty much agree with you... usually BP doesn't react so strongly... perhaps your uk gov -realted IP address made a him a bit nervous?
DO you work for the UK government?
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Post by beatled on Oct 1, 2005 3:35:59 GMT
Aren't we all imposters?..pretending to be better than we really are? "What you call real is just electrical signals interpreted by the brain" All of our outside reality is just a projection of our own mental condition..and I'm ashamed to notice that all the negativity is just another projection of my own issues. Like a lot of other conjobs being revealed in these information days where all is revealed..it is not about going on a witchhunt and pointing out the evildoers..it is about realizing that outside reality is just a movie reflecting back our own condition. Even if you think there is a real Beatle Bill, Dick Cheney,Tony Blair,Michael Jackson or whoever... then they are just confused people making mistakes out of a limited distorted understanding of reality. We are all in this together. I can understand that it may be confusing to refer to Bill as Paul McCartney..for he surely is not. But to me it sometimes sounds like Bill is being vilified around here. I've always been a huge Bill fan long before I found out his secret..but to me it makes his work much deeper. Compared to all my other fave artists I always noticed that his lyrics seemed to be atleast a bit odd..almost careless. Since I know the story I can read a lot of his lyrics as him having to struggle with being someone he is not..and he pulled of a damn great job at it. All the other artists can concentrate on music while he has to put in a lot of work to keep up the facade. And in a way the conjob itself is a great work of art...it took us over 35 years to really cut through his disguise with tangible evidence. Like most of us, on one point or another in our lives, Bill got into something that looked like a good thing to do at first...until he found out the consequences. Haven't we all been in situations like that? As we look at history we see lots of tragedies because of people pointing their fingers at others to blame so they didn't have to thoroughly question their own actions..and it always led to pain. Maybe it's time to understand this game...love is all we need. I think there is a strong connection between the negativity I see on my screen and the fact that I have not been busy scanning lots of cool stuff lately due to my own issues, apathy and fears. Issues which all of us are dealing with these days in one way or another. I really want to get busy again contributing for I love this forum and all these people able to see thru the lies The whole fakery is a global thing..just look at the world around us..reality is one universal mind reflected thru all of it's parts...and we are finding it out now..so that's good...it gives us a chance to find real solutions...LOVE is all you need. Sure it must be clear that Bill is no Paul, but he deserves respect like everyone and everything because it is all a part of us. We are getting there with LOVE and it shines through everywhere if we are just willing to see. Looking forward to fire up the scanner again..I've got some real cool stuff ready to put up so let's all put in some quality detectivework. Be Excellent All Love Jan ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Right Where It Belongs See the animal in it's cage that you built Are you sure what side you're on Better not look him too closely in the eye Are you sure what side of the glass you are on See the safety of the life you have built Everything where it belongs Feel the hollowness inside of your heart And it's all Right where it belongs What if everything around you Isn't quite as it seems What if all the world you think you know Is an elaborate dream And if you look at your reflection Is it all you wanted to be? What if you could look right through the cracks Would you find yourself Find yourself afraid to see? What if all the world's inside of your heart Just creations of your own Your devils and your gods All the living and the dead And you really are alone You can live in this illusion You can choose to believe You keep looking but you can't find the words Are you hiding in the dreams? -Nine Inch Nails 2005 Thanks Valis, this is the post I was always hoping you would write. Please everyone take a minute to re-read it, understand it, DIG it!
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Post by johnny on Oct 1, 2005 6:00:39 GMT
Sorry, mates. Phaul, Bill, Pill or what ever you want to call the it, it is not me best mate, me brother.....Paul. Don't ever think Faul is a well deserving of anything but a kick in the pants.
Like SMA said, I wonder who help him write the songs on Chaos and Masturbation.........it can't be me 'cuz i'm dead........
Is he seeing Georgie and I as we flying through his home?
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Post by valis on Oct 1, 2005 6:22:11 GMT
Call me crazy but it's all a big play set up by the guys to show us how easily we are fooled by media, governments, religions, education, the people around us who believe the crap instead of figuring things out for themselves and mostly how we cheat on ourselves each day by believing there is an outside reality seperated from our own mental condition.
The things/people we love will get us out of this maze..this global depression..and what do most of us here love: The TRUE Beatles.. Say the word and you'll be free..Say the word and be like me..Say the word i'm thinking of..Have you heard the word is love?
James Paul and Bill are best friends James Paul will return or maybe he already has. All will be revealed my friends
All Love Jan
"A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest... a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty." –Albert Einstein
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Post by BeatlePaul on Oct 1, 2005 8:00:05 GMT
James Paul and Bill are best friends James Paul will return or maybe he already has. All will be revealed my friends All Love Jan Final revelation? Who said those words? So Brian Epstein and Don Knotts were "best friends" too... I was informed there was a plan to divide us. Now I can see that.
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Post by Maacc on Oct 1, 2005 8:50:50 GMT
Mac, I highly doubt that McCartney wrote anything on that new album by himself. Who knows who is helping him now. Some people around here to seem to have a heavy hand. As far as I can see, you should still be allowed your opinion. That is, unless you try to cram it down everyone else's throats. This is a PID Forum. You will be hard pressed to find many people here who believe otherwise. Of course - forums are (or should be) all about opinions. Regarding McCartney's music - he has worked closely with various song writers and producers since the Beatles (Denny Laine, Elvis Costello, Eric Stewart, Nigel Godrich etc), the members of his current band, all of whom have witnessed McCartney at work - were they all lying for him? Actually, now I come to think of it, there was an excellent programme on BBC Radio about 2/3 weeks ago, that specifically dealt with McCartney's song writing, and he explained in detail how he came up with songs, detailing the composition process. Something most composers would have been able to identify with. (McCartney actually wrote "Picasso's Last Words" in Dustin Hoffman's living room while he was there. Hoffman has described it as an amazing process to witness.) Personally, regardless of who the guy called McCartney actually is, I have no doubt he writes the music himself. The threads among the styles McCartney has employed are there to see during their development. For example, on Flowers in the Dirt there are the first hints of a style that has come to fruition on Chaos, and there are elements of it in stages of development in Off the Ground, Flaming Pie and Driving Rain. On another matter, someone asked me if I work for the government - no. I'm a Canadian currently studying in the UK. I used a gov.uk address to register here. There's nothing more to it than that.
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Post by beatled on Oct 1, 2005 12:10:41 GMT
I was informed there was a plan to divide us. Now I can see that. Wow.. There is no "plan" here BP. Sorry you feel that way, really.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Oct 1, 2005 12:21:42 GMT
Of course - forums are (or should be) all about opinions. Sorry, here is about investigation. Brainstorming just to fill the gaps. Actually, now I come to think of it, there was an excellent programme on BBC Radio about 2/3 weeks ago, that specifically dealt with McCartney's song writing, and he explained in detail how he came up with songs, detailing the composition process. Something most composers would have been able to identify with. = Personally, regardless of who the guy called McCartney actually is, I have no doubt he writes the music himself. .... like the BBC .... DIG IT!
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Post by BeatlePaul on Oct 1, 2005 12:30:54 GMT
I was informed there was a plan to divide us. Now I can see that. Wow.. There is no "plan" here BP. Sorry you feel that way, really. Friend of mine in NL watched it, reported it was the same ol' sh... uh stuff.. Just a recreation of the way the story has been told (wrongly) for 40 years. THIS is "my" JoJo -Documentation Best Supporter-
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Post by beatled on Oct 2, 2005 6:09:53 GMT
Friend of mine in NL watched it, reported it was the same ol' sh... uh stuff.. Just a recreation of the way the story has been told (wrongly) for 40 years. THIS is "my" JoJo -Documentation Best Supporter- I'm still the same guy you know. Bill is still Bill.. In the post of mine you quoted, I was thinking of the disinformation campaign started a couple of years after the events of late '66, and the movie they showed in NL was essentially a rehash of that. We're all nice and clear on what that was all about. Mostly denial on the part of all concerned, with a generous spin from the media, etched in concrete since.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Oct 2, 2005 9:14:25 GMT
THIS is "my" JoJo -Documentation Best Supporter- I'm still the same guy you know. Bill is still Bill.. In the post of mine you quoted, I was thinking of the disinformation campaign started a couple of years after the events of late '66, and the movie they showed in NL was essentially a rehash of that. We're all nice and clear on what that was all about. Mostly denial on the part of all concerned, with a generous spin from the media, etched in concrete since. 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=thebookI've opened that thread to produce a document to be published on book and DVD. With a "little" help from ALL my friends here. To fix that old crap. Forever.
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Post by johnny on Oct 3, 2005 19:42:46 GMT
Me best mate is dead. He was replicated by a persona using the nomiker of Bill. Bill is ........... not Paulie, in the leastest verbage. Pill is a fony, baloney faker of the lowest of the low.
Chaos and Castration let's hope will be his last attempt at creating something that is muzak to me ears.
Falling in the whole in Tampax show the whey Faul will fall ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by defhermit on Oct 3, 2005 20:39:22 GMT
johnny, what the hell are you talking about?
does anyone knw who this johnny is? not to be a board policeman or anything, but it seems to me all of his posts are complete nonsense...
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Post by Dr.No on Oct 3, 2005 23:31:00 GMT
johnny, what the hell are you talking about? does anyone knw who this johnny is? not to be a board policeman or anything, but it seems to me all of his posts are complete nonsense... Agreed, so far I haven't seen any useful contribution from Johnny, and the character posting is annoying and counter-productive anyway.
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Post by plastic paul on Oct 4, 2005 0:09:33 GMT
Hilarious isn't it, acting as if he's john!
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Post by abbey on Oct 4, 2005 2:53:16 GMT
johnny, what the hell are you talking about? does anyone knw who this johnny is? not to be a board policeman or anything, but it seems to me all of his posts are complete nonsense... Have you never heard of Lennonists? Wouldn't you be surprised as to who he is ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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