beatles more successful with faul

[billyshears]

I've often thought that the beatles wouldnt have been as succesful if Paul had lived, i mean his death created some fabulous subject matter and song lyric ideas for the rest of the group, not to mention some great album covers. who else thinks that the beatles would have been less successful if paul lived?

[semolinapilchard]

AC/DC also got more popular after their first singer died.

[unrepentant]

he wrote no less than 10 spectacular pop songs a year....so just from THAT standpoint [sparing the world the dreck of faul material over the ensuing 3 and a half decades] i think the world would be better off musically had paul lived. even better perhaps, the other beatles would have had a much less stressful time BEING beatles. the little ripples from all of that would affect countless people positively in untold ways, but the fab four themselves would have held on for many more years if you ask me just because they were INTACT, professionally and personally.

[billyshears]

Yes i know what you mean unrepentant. i mean,if paul had lived, john probaly would have as well. But the thing i'm trying to get at is that sgt peppers abbey road & let it be as well as others just wouldn't have had existed without paul's death. I cannot beleive how stupid people are, NO ONE beleives me about the whole paul is dead thing. my mom has told me to stop going on about it, because she refuses to believe it

[beldabeast]

billyshears said:

I've often thought that the beatles wouldnt have been as succesful if Paul had lived, i mean his death created some fabulous subject matter and song lyric ideas for the rest of the group, not to mention some great album covers. who else thinks that the beatles would have been less successful if paul lived?

That is possible depending on the definition of success .
The Beatles even failed to sell out all of the shows of the last American tour .
This may have been due to John's alledged remarks about Jesus . Which I suspect he was forced to say and was a staged precursor to Pauls murder later that year.
I am also looking at the entertainment communities hyping up SGT Peppers . One illuminary said he remembers where he was when JFK was shot and when he heard Sgt Peppers the first time . Holy hyperbole , Batman !

[Perplexed]

billyshears said:

Yes i know what you mean unrepentant. i mean,if paul had lived, john probaly would have as well. But the thing i'm trying to get at is that sgt peppers abbey road & let it be as well as others just wouldn't have had existed without paul's death. I cannot beleive how stupid people are, NO ONE beleives me about the whole paul is dead thing. my mom has told me to stop going on about it, because she refuses to believe it

Yes, the second half of the Beatle story (second half 1966-1970)
brought innovation, a new, fresh streak of creativity, a curious magical energy (especially '67 and '68, though Abbey Road was a studio miracle made out of the public eye).

Passion, determination, and iron wills produced it.

Persistent, artful, and carefully planned presentation assured that
the perception of Paul would be as it remains today.

It's hard to stop a train going full steam ahead. Did I just mix a metaphor?
I should have used a boat thing, shouldn't I have? After all, I should know.



Considering I travel so much by barge.

[plastic paul]

Trains have been known to run on steam!

(Though i realise it's a predominantly nautical term of course)

;D

[LUCY]

perplexed said:

billyshears said:

Yes, the second half of the Beatle story (second half 1966-1970)
brought innovation, a new, fresh streak of creativity, a curious magical energy (especially '67 and '68, though Abbey Road was a studio miracle made out of the public eye).

Passion, determination, and iron wills produced it.

Persistent, artful, and carefully planned presentation assured that
the perception of Paul would be as it remains today.

......just about sums it up.........

[billyshears]

Ive often thought that 'abbey road' sounded like the beatle's 'fed up' album. which is hardly surprising, considering it was their last, as well as considering the circumstances to do with paul's death. abbey road just sounds like a bunch of solo efforts by each beatle, pasted together to sound like an album. each beatle performed the songs separately, in their own studio time. it certainly sounds it. I also beleive billy has a great singing voice-which is another advantage of their being a replacement. his vocals on oh darling are fantastic.

[plastic paul]

Yes Oh darling is a great tune, but Martha.... is my personal favourite.

Interesting that you said "pasted together to sound like an album" because i must agree that's how they tended to sound; let it be, white album, abbey road it all seemed fairly like "ok i'll show you a song and if the recording is ok we'll keep it on"

Not to say that any of the songs weren't good but some of them did need refinement, there were a lot of sub 2 minute songs that could have been great.

[Perplexed]

plasticpaul said:

Yes Oh darling is a great tune, but Martha.... is my personal favourite.

Not to say that any of the songs weren't good but some of them did need refinement, there were a lot of sub 2 minute songs that could have been great.

I would have enjoyed further development on a number of the short pieces in WA and AB.

Martha, My Dear, I like the use of the Bb to Ab maj9, then back to a Bb dominant 7th:
. The whole chord progression is nifty. And
fresh in 1968 pop.

I could listen to it and quickly jot out the chords, or run into another room and grab a Beatle fake book and copy the chord changes into a post, but I am just too darn lazy to rise from this chair. Suffice it to say, for the lovers of nifty chord changes, that it's got an interesting chord progression and melody all thru it.

As blues (though not set up in 12 bar phrases), "Oh, Darlin'" kicks b*tt
on several levels: the high energy vocal, the driving instrumental performance, and IMO the thundering mix.
It either "gets you goin" when you hear it, or else you need to turn up your hearing aid, Maude.

[billyshears]

Yeh, there are some great songs on abbey road, but it does sound rushed. I prefer sgt pepper. Interesting how faul tries to fake a liverpool accent on 'lovely rita' when he says 'book'. trying to hard to be like the real JPM there. does anyone know of a way to sample viv stanshalls voice to see if the waves/voice pattern matches up with faul's? then we'll know for sure if he was indeed stanshall.