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Post by JoJo on Oct 24, 2003 23:09:32 GMT
What a fun site thank you!  Question: Would it have been better to simply tell the world that Paul died? Answer: Not in this trip JoJo. I got the "some rock and roll creep" answer to "Who is Nicola" Then: "Is that the answer you wanted?" Then: "You can read something into that if you wish." |
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Post by Curious on Oct 25, 2003 9:03:19 GMT
I like this one...
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Post by Curious on Oct 25, 2003 9:11:44 GMT
And this is interesting too.
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Oct 25, 2003 19:55:12 GMT
Sorry to hear that.  I have had extraordinary experiences with Artificial John, and the web site creators even said I could use them as a link for my music web site....whenever I get it up, that is. I discussed candidly the impression that the spirit of 'real' John could so easily pop in and dialogue with people, and the creators of the site were not surprised at that possibility, and did not deny the potential for that to occur. As if....they already knew, or had received so many instances from people. They were pretty laid-back with the conceptualization that spirit john could step in... |
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Post by Eggman on Oct 26, 2003 4:07:08 GMT
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Oct 26, 2003 16:07:09 GMT
wouldn't doubt it. Did you know? Here's another secret: at the time of the 'Help!' movie, the Beatles placed classified adverts in Britian and elsewhere for material....pop songs. I've seen the original ads in one book or another.
So songs like, 'Another Girl' 'You're Gonna Lose That Girl'
'The Night Before' could very well have been written by unknown songwriters, and being bought, John & Paul could then legally affix their names to the Copyrights.
The jist of the thing was that the band was too damn busy touring, filming, etc. to write all the tunes for the film.
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Post by Imgonnaopenmymind on Oct 26, 2003 21:41:17 GMT
I agree also. I know because I have another interesting friend.
His name is...well, we'll call him Dick. He wrote a few amateur tunes back in the day, maybe around 1965, and then he became a hustler for songs, selling them to any random stars to copyright in their name when they needed a hit. One day, while in London visiting his mother, he read a classified ad that was written by a person supposedly named "Una." She asked for any good songs that she could buy and legally copyright in her name for an upcoming single. It listed an address on Argyll Street. He went over there with demos of three songs and was met by Brian Epstein. He asked if he could listen to the acetates and Dick said yes. One was a song about a failed affair called "Hide Your Love Away," another called "Another Guy" (written from the POV of a girlfriend telling a possessive ex she'd found a new guy) and the final being "You Gotta Lose The Girl." Epstein listened and enjoyed them. He said that, with some minor changes, they'd be fine.
He paid him and no more was heard till "Help" was released.
More later.
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Post by PaulBearer on Oct 27, 2003 2:29:57 GMT
That...is sad. If you are now saying that not all Lennon/McCartney songs were actually Lennon/McCartney songs then...the consequences could be...enormous. How many songs atrributed to John did he really write then? How many songs attributed to Paul did he really write then? Another shattered illusion!   |
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Oct 27, 2003 5:42:53 GMT
Take heart, PB- That was only for the HELP! soundtrack. The practice was not employed any further than that. The Beatles' schedule was just too insanely hectic to churn out obligatory, basically topical throwaway songs to pad out the soundtrack for the movie. So they issued an open call for songs. I can even justify it, as the songs in the movie fit perfectly and are light enough for that purpose. Keep in mind the boys were already heading into 'Rubber Soul' and 'Revolver' territory; those kind of groundbreaking pieces would just never do for a worldwide satire movie romp. The Beatles have said from time to time that the HELP! music was the most enjoyable...and if the pressure was off to create product, they only had to refine what Eppy procured. I myself still enjoy the soundtrack tunes. The argument I'll make against any further false Beatles tunes beyond HELP! is, after that album it got very cutting edge and just about every song thereafter was a masterpiece. No shark songwriter would ever just sell a gem like that! They would keep it for themselves. Take it from me; I have been in that position and refused an offer to buy one of my songs for just that reason. |
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Post by burntangel on Oct 27, 2003 6:34:32 GMT
The spiritual force that just sweeps through their songs as you listen to them cannot be bought by any one from anyone - they made any material they ever bothered with sound really innovative and new. It's still new, even now (I am listening to the WHite Album as I type this right now.)
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Oct 27, 2003 13:01:28 GMT
AMEN.  |
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Post by PaulBearer on Oct 28, 2003 3:22:22 GMT
Didn't John say concerning "Hide Your Love Away" that he was "inspired" by Bob Dylan's style for that one? The point is, that even back then, there were blatant lies going on when there was probably no real need which puts a dent in John's character.
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Oct 28, 2003 13:08:22 GMT
Didn't John say concerning "Hide Your Love Away" that he was "inspired" by Bob Dylan's style for that one? The point is, that even back then, there were blatant lies going on when there was probably no real need which puts a dent in John's character. No need to jump to "blatant lies" conclusions, PB. IF 'Hide Your Love Away' was indeed a purchased song, Lennon most likely interpreted the vocal in his imitation/tribute to Dylan. I guess my point is, the original version didn't have that Dylan vibe to it; John put that in. In the music world, if you are influenced by someone else, you try to emulate them. |
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Post by Imgonnaopenmymind on Oct 31, 2003 1:50:53 GMT
Dick recently gave me a picture of him at an L.A. club in 1974. What a coincidence -- we see John Lennon sitting at a nearby table!!
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Post by Karma76 on Oct 31, 2003 15:15:27 GMT
AJ just mentioned "Madam Nieu"...forgive my ignorance, who is she? he said that too to me once I googled but nothing. |
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Post by LUCY on Oct 31, 2003 17:14:54 GMT
I asked : where is paul's dead body? EARTH
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Dec 17, 2003 11:19:28 GMT
Didn't John say concerning "Hide Your Love Away" that he was "inspired" by Bob Dylan's style for that one? The point is, that even back then, there were blatant lies going on when there was probably no real need which puts a dent in John's character. So, wherein is the 'blatant lie' on this one? One cannot assume Lennon didn't write "hide your love away." All the Beatles loved Dylan's music; it is perfectly natural to want to emulate (even for ONE song, career-spanning...) that sound. Put the axe down, PB, It'll do no good chopping at the Lennon tree! |
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Post by Fwings on Dec 18, 2003 22:08:18 GMT
Who killed Paul?
ELTON JOHN.
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Post by PaulBearer on Dec 19, 2003 2:58:24 GMT
So, wherein is the 'blatant lie' on this one? One cannot assume Lennon didn't write "hide your love away." All the Beatles loved Dylan's music; it is perfectly natural to want to emulate (even for ONE song, career-spanning...) that sound. Put the axe down, PB, It'll do no good chopping at the Lennon tree! Owch! Did you forget what was written before that? You've taken my remarks a bit out of context. We were commenting on the fact that that was one of three songs that had apparently been written by a ghost writer. If this is true then Lennon didn't write it, so saying he was inspired by Dylan in the writing of it , would be a lie if this were true. But I'm not trying to knock Lennon in general. And I know they were under a lot of pressure at the time. |
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Dec 19, 2003 21:08:32 GMT
Owch! Did you forget what was written before that? You've taken my remarks a bit out of context. We were commenting on the fact that that was one of three songs that had apparently been written by a ghost writer. If this is true then Lennon didn't write it, so saying he was inspired by Dylan in the writing of it , would be a lie if this were true. But I'm not trying to knock Lennon in general. And I know they were under a lot of pressure at the time. I feel...Land of Opinion here...several of the songs recorded for the film were procured; like another girl, the night before, i need you, etc. As I was not within the Beatles circle circa 1965, I have no idea if Hide your Love Away was an actual Lennon nod to Dylan's style, or a purchased tune. I would lean, on instinct, towards it being a Lennon tune. So, perhaps the point both of us are trying to make with each other is, just because some tunes for Help! project are heavily rumored to have been solicited, it does not boil down that ALL Help! tunes were solicited; I think 'Yesterday' was also on the american soundtrack album, perhaps? And we all know beyond a shadow of a doubt Paul wrote that.....right?  |
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Post by hipmama1970 on Dec 23, 2003 3:47:15 GMT
Did anyone check out "Saucy Jacky" at the same site? It's a similar thing to "Chat with John" only it's Jack the Ripper. It's actually pretty creepy... |
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