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Post by abbey on Jan 19, 2005 19:34:11 GMT
This came on the radio this weekend. I have not been able to get it out of my head. It's driving me NUTS !!!!    "Photograph" (As recorded by Ringo Starr) GEORGE HARRISON RICHARD STARKEY Every time I see your face It reminds me of the places we used to go But all I've got is a photograph And I realize you're not comin' back anymore. I thought I'd make it the day you went away But I can't make it till you come home again to stay-e-ay. I can't get used to living here while my heart is broke My tears I cried for you I want you here to have and hold as the years go by And we grow old and gray. Now you're expecting me to live without you But that's not something that I'm looking forward to. I can't get used to living here while my heart is broke My tears I cried for you I want you here to have and hold as the years go by And we grow old and gray. Every time I see your face It reminds me of the places we used to go But all I've got is a photograph And I realize you're not comin' back anymore. Every time I see your face It reminds me of the places we used to go All I've got is a photograph And I realize you're not comin' back anymore. Every time I see your face It reminds me of the places we used to go But all I've got is a photograph. (c) Copyright 1973 by Richoroony Ltd. - SONG HITS, Summer 1974. ### Seventies Lyrics Hit Parade | Super I have this feeling that George wrote it BEFORE Paul was killed. They knew that Paul was leaving the group. It makes perfect sense, if you read it knowing that George & Paul were close friends, & Paul was going away ! Imagine how he felt knowing he had written that song, & now Paul would never ever come back ! I really feel that Ritchie sang it as a tribute to Paul. |
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Post by Hamlet on Jan 20, 2005 5:15:47 GMT
very telling, isn't it? Paul wanted out. From interviews, songs, and revolver cover, even clues ("get me out" from revolution 9 and "get me out" from Blue Jay Way, clues that persoally i think refer to the fact that he wanted out of the band, not out of a flaming vehicle)  i think paperback writer video was the last Paul was going to appear in, their faces tell it. and James appeared really ill But the thing was leaving, not DYING!! what a great shock for them  what disturbs me is this cover of 1965, is paul in a coffin??? why if he was going to leave the band, they were "killing" him? putting him as a dead man? it is too awkward for a joke i remember from this forum another photo of 1965 with one of them pointing a gun to James wearing a hat, again "killing" him, why?? was his "death" really a cover-up, to permit his retirement peacefully and put a stand in? was this the original plan? and, more mysteriously, it succeeded?? or something went terribly wrong and he really died??? what if james died from his illness in sept 66? BTW, there is a site called OPD, mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/opd/home.htmlinteresting reading, various things are taken from TKIN forum, there is even a link to the sister forum |
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Post by PaulBearer on Jan 20, 2005 11:15:52 GMT
The photo is not from 1965, it's from 1966. It's a redone cover of what was notoriously known as the butcher album. I think this cover came out after Paul's death so that would explain that.
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Post by Hamlet on Jan 20, 2005 16:20:25 GMT
yes, but it is JAmes in the "coffin", isn't he? or you are saying the cover was "manufactured" by making a composite of the butcher sessions to "put paul in a coffin"? after sept 66? the photo seems pretty "undoctored" to me.
anyways, what about that photo of the group where a gun is pointed at James? remember?
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Post by abbey on Jan 20, 2005 16:55:49 GMT
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Post by Hamlet on Jan 20, 2005 20:46:21 GMT
SMA, you got the photo i was talking about, thankyou, now what is that?  Just seeing the cover, i get that the other three are inspectors/police/sherlock and have "trapped" paul, as he being sort of artist that commited a crime do you know the date of that portuguese(?) magazine? what is that magazine about? is an ariticle inside about that cover? if you can read it, maybe it explains what that photo was about. neither ringo, nor george, are comfortable. only john has that cinic smile interesting to see john with paul in the box. anyway, the photo selected for the cover has only paul inside.... Thinking about Ringo-Paul..... what if RIngo had something to do with Paul's illness and it's consecuences (to have to leave the band, after contract expires in mid 66, danger of dying from it, etc) the sgt.pepper cover shows pauls comforting a "guilty feeling" Ringo................ i feel strongly that that is the case. |
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Post by gracemer on Jan 20, 2005 21:32:59 GMT
I've always liked the theory that Paul disappeared rather than died. It ties up a lot of loose ends. No hard evidence though, but I'd like to see the clues thoroughly reexamined in light of a disappearance. This is good stuff.
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Post by Hamlet on Jan 20, 2005 22:22:54 GMT
worthy of consideration: please read this post first, and download the video link in it invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=thisone&action=display&thread=1105048195 Can Paul actually be in jail? Or died in jail? What if Paul was caught in a crime(related do Sylvie Vartan maybe), or maybe involved in a car accident with Sylvie and she dies and he not, sent to a French prision, and died there because of lack of medicine plus a nervous and physical collapse? (John, Brian, etc going to Paris to try to get him out -"get me out", "get me out" "i'm dying here") not a glamorours way to die, is it? that's why the replacement conspiracy took place, and the inner circles shut up, his fiancee, his family, etc? and because of "money/reputation decisions"? if what hapened revealed to the media, right in the middle of Beatlemania and considering the joy of the press to make a celebrity(or celebrities) bite the dust(remember that year was the Jesus issue), one thing could lead to another.......... Just imagine a possible secuence : Headline> Paul Dies another headline- Mc.Cartney was involved with french singer Sylvie Vartan another headline - McCarntey had a son with Sylvie Vartan!! another headline> McCartney died in a french prision another headline/ McCartney suffered an illness since 1964 Ringo on target........ etc, etc, etc, The Beatles collapse, no more money, etc etc etc a Pandora's box indeed. just thinking |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Jan 20, 2005 22:34:09 GMT
worthy of consideration: please read this post first, and download the video link in it invanddis.proboards29.com/index.cgi?board=thisone&action=display&thread=1105048195Can Paul actually be in jail? Or died in jail? What if Paul was caught in a crime(related do Sylvie Vartan maybe), or maybe involved in a car accident with Sylvie and she dies and he not, sent to a French prision, and died there because of lack of medicine plus a nervous and physical collapse? (John, Brian, etc going to Paris to try to get him out -"get me out", "get me out" "i'm dying here") not a glamorours way to die, is it? that's why the replacement conspiracy took place, and the inner circles shut up, his fiancee, his family, etc? and because of "money/reputation decisions"? if what hapened revealed to the media, right in the middle of Beatlemania and considering the joy of the press to make a celebrity(or celebrities) bite the dust(remember that year was the Jesus issue), one thing could lead to another.......... Just imagine a possible secuence : Headline> Paul Dies another headline- Mc.Cartney was involved with french singer Sylvie Vartan another headline - McCarntey had a son with Sylvie Vartan!! another headline> McCartney died in a french prision another headline/ McCartney suffered an illness since 1964 Ringo on target........ etc, etc, etc, The Beatles collapse, no more money, etc etc etc a Pandora's box indeed. just thinking |
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Post by Hamlet on Jan 20, 2005 22:37:40 GMT
xactly!! I was thinking of SKs questions, and then the post of Arnold Layne
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Post by BeatlePaul on Jan 20, 2005 22:40:16 GMT
xactly!! I was thinking of SKs questions, and then the post of Arnold Layne "You have seen the light and you've got followers. I urge everyone to follow the path. It may be long and winding but it has been generously bordered with candles (I'd rather say halogen spotlights, but candles sounds so much more poetic, n'est pas?) by our friend Sun King. You can't go astray. Just follow the path that has been prepared for you and you will find the source of truth. It's straight ahead. Never give up. Warriors of the lost one. " Sir George Martin |
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Post by abbey on Jan 21, 2005 17:36:20 GMT
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Post by Hamlet on Jan 22, 2005 5:26:05 GMT
60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=Essential&action=display&thread=1098612008"You have seen the light and you've got followers. I urge everyone to follow the path. It may be long and winding but it has been generously bordered with candles (I'd rather say halogen spotlights, but candles sounds so much more poetic, n'est pas?) by our friend Sun King. You can't go astray. Just follow the path that has been prepared for you and you will find the source of truth. It's straight ahead. Never give up. Warriors of the lost one. " Sir George Martin The lost one....... Paul is dead then. I am convinced he died. But have my doubts about how 60IF tells it. Maybe the story was to open eyes and reveal that Paul died and was replaced by WS, but at the same time the story protects Paul and covers the way he really died, a "shameful" one. |
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Post by beatled on Jan 22, 2005 19:09:38 GMT
 This is a Brazilian magazine. I asked a Brazilian friend to translate, here goes: The (trepidation like, or fearful) life of The Beatles.. Big hair from here and from there.. (literal translation) She said a better way of stating it might be: "The fearful or crazy life of the big haired Beatles." |
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Post by peoplescommittee on Jan 22, 2005 23:47:30 GMT
Wow...this is the first thing I can't believe I'm reading here. You're suggesting Ringo, of all people, had something to do with this? It's just publicity photos, man; I can't believe people would come to this kind of conclusion.
All the evidence I've seen here is solid, but this is ridiculous.
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Post by Hamlet on Jan 25, 2005 15:06:46 GMT
 you were saying? Look at Ringo wax dummy, no tie, a completely black shirt, with Paul besides him with his arm around in a mood of "don´t worry, it´s not your fault", and a stain of a red material (representing blood?)in his jacket THIS IS NO COINCIDENCE Ringo´s clearly more affected, heart-broked, shocked, by Paul´s death. In fact, he and Paul have the same kind of expression, but a different one than John and George´s dummies why in the bloody hell would they prepare the dummies like that? Because it is a message. It is clear that Ringo had something to do with this, not Pauls death, but maybe, just maybe, his illness. With what he had to do is still blurry, but is CLEAR that he is related with the course of Paul´s life in those days. He´s beside "Paul" behind the drumskin. He´s next to PAul in Abbey Road cover, again, wearing black. I find at the very least interesting that Ringo´s the last one left alive in this world.... "Boy, you´re going to carry that weight for a long time" is for RIngo, not Faul? If originally Faul was not intended to make a solo career and to be McCartney to the end of his days, but to vanish after the group break up, this song has no sense at all........ unless it was made for Ring. |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Jan 25, 2005 21:18:49 GMT
you were saying? Look at Ringo wax dummy, no tie, a completely black shirt, with Paul besides him with his arm around in a mood of "don´t worry, it´s not your fault", and a stain of a red material (representing blood?)in his jacket THIS IS NO COINCIDENCE Ringo´s clearly more affected, heart-broked, shocked, by Paul´s death. In fact, he and Paul have the same kind of expression, but a different one than John and George´s dummies why in the bloody hell would they prepare the dummies like that? Because it is a message. It is clear that Ringo had something to do with this, not Pauls death, but maybe, just maybe, his illness. With what he had to do is still blurry, but is CLEAR that he is related with the course of Paul´s life in those days. He´s beside "Paul" behind the drumskin. He´s next to PAul in Abbey Road cover, again, wearing black. I find at the very least interesting that Ringo´s the last one left alive in this world.... "Boy, you´re going to carry that weight for a long time" is for RIngo, not Faul? If originally Faul was not intended to make a solo career and to be McCartney to the end of his days, but to vanish after the group break up, this song has no sense at all........ unless it was made for Ring. YES! |
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Post by Perplexed on Jan 26, 2005 4:53:51 GMT
Such things can lead to, in some individuals, lethargy, prolonged sadness, morbid depressions, bouts of alcohol abuse or stints of drug dependence, malingering, cocooning, starring in lightweight, fluffy comedies, and daytime sleeping, or rituals of penitence.
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Post by TotalInformation on Jan 26, 2005 5:53:52 GMT
Well, Ringo. Ringo was brought in to this crazy starship at the last minute. It was the opportunity of a lifetime. He wasn't brought in to the band by John. He wasn't brought in to the band by Paul.
He was brought in by EMI.
Dual loyalties.
Maybe he tells George Martin about the other options he was exploring for his recording career. The ones he was out helping Paul with.
Keeping his options open.
Ultimately, EMI has a sinister pedigree. What is known at EMI will be known by dark, dark people.
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Post by Perplexed on Jan 26, 2005 6:09:03 GMT
Well, Ringo. Ringo was brought in to this crazy starship at the last minute. It was the opportunity of a lifetime. He wasn't brought in to the band by John. He wasn't brought in to the band by Paul. He was brought in by EMI. Dual loyalties. Maybe he tells George Martin about the other options he was exploring for his recording career. The ones he was out helping Paul with. Keeping his options open. Ultimately, EMI has a sinister pedigree. What is known at EMI will be known by dark, dark people. In other words, he let slip that he and Paul were shopping behind the back of EMI. A more lucrative contract? You make it sound like Sir George relayed the news back to the suits in the boardroom, which led to a double (or more) whacking. I don't think EMI would do this kind of thing. If they would, what company wouldn't? And if so, it's all blood money. All of pop music would then, be dirty. That is not a pleasant concept. |
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Post by BeatlePaul on Jan 26, 2005 15:39:18 GMT
Well, Ringo. Ringo was brought in to this crazy starship at the last minute. It was the opportunity of a lifetime. He wasn't brought in to the band by John. He wasn't brought in to the band by Paul. He was brought in by EMI. Dual loyalties. Maybe he tells George Martin about the other options he was exploring for his recording career. The ones he was out helping Paul with. Keeping his options open. Ultimately, EMI has a sinister pedigree. What is known at EMI will be known by dark, dark people. .... and... don't forget that Paul just before dying CHANGED major. Brian Epstein (and Brian Jones?) convinced him to change and go to his old friends of DECCA. Did Brian (the two Brian?) "pay" for that? |
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Post by abbey on Jan 26, 2005 17:34:41 GMT
T.I. - VERY dark people. Some might say that they're NOT EVEN HUMAN ! Perplexed - it is a VERY unpleasant thought. However, I have a strong feeling that there is truth in it. BeatlePaul - you said Paul died. Not that Paul WAS KILLED. Holding back, are we No matter what I read here concerning Paul's death, I believe in my heart that Paul did not die of a disease. Ringo had NOTHING to do with him being sick. Ringo might've had something to do with his death. This would give him plently of reason to feel so guilty that he consigned himself to a lifetime of wearing darkglasses ALL THE TIME. When was the last time we got a good look at Ritchie's pretty blue eyes  |
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Post by Delta on Jan 26, 2005 20:19:13 GMT
Well, Ringo. Ringo was brought in to this crazy starship at the last minute. It was the opportunity of a lifetime. He wasn't brought in to the band by John. He wasn't brought in to the band by Paul. He was brought in by EMI. is this true? the official story is, that the beatles knew ringo from liverpool and the hamburg days (ringo being the drummer for "rory storm and the hurricanes"). when george martin told john, paul and george to ditch pete best, they thought of ringo as the perfect substitute, because they knew his drumming and his personality. whereas george martin brought in a professional session drummer. did you mean the same or do you think this story is complete nonsense? |
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Post by LUCY on Jan 26, 2005 21:04:13 GMT
(ringo being the drummer for "rory storm and the hurricanes"). Rory Storm was an interesting character......seems he was all charisma and more, with a killer stage act......the Beatles made it and they didn't........I think he's dead now. |
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Post by abbey on Jan 27, 2005 16:43:56 GMT
LUCY, yeah I hear that Rory Storm & the Hurricanes were very well known at that time. Actually, if I remember correctly, they were a bigger group than The Beatles. So WHY would Ritchie leave a group that at the time was more popular to join up with a lesser known act ? As LUCY just said, Rory Storm had a killer act put together ! This next part is PURE SPECULATION, folks... Maybe Ritchie was planted with Rory Storm because that group was the one that TPTB were initially going to push to stardom ( for their own nefarious purposes ). They must've seen something in The Beatles that made them switch gears. From what I heard, Petey had a bit of a drug problem. That gave them the perfect opportunity to oust him & replace him with Ritchie. I have heard that Ritchie's past is not perfect. He was a troubled youth. His goofy looks notwithstanding, he is a very cunning man. I don't know if he could be a sleeper agent. You hear about them all the time. Sometimes they themselves don't know what they've been programmed to do using hypnosis & mind control... It's a very scary world we live in... Here's another interesting photo that I found:  Check out Ritchie's body language & the look on his face |
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