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Post by JohnJakeUp on Aug 27, 2003 1:14:01 GMT
You made a comparison between a picture of Paul McCartney's head and a Sgt. Pepper photo of the supposed "Faul". You said his head grows, and mentioned that as one of your reasons why it can't be the same man. Then you compared a Sgt. Pepper photo with William's photo and said there is NO DOUBT that that is the same guy. Two things wrong with that: 1) William's head grows when doing the crossfade to Sgt. Pepper. 2) One of you guys has similar features to Paul McCartney, as shown in that crossfade in the introduction. So having similar features proves nothing there. Now, I'm not here to argue, however, after listening to the masterpiece that is Let It Be, I do really wanna believe that Paul is singing that song, although this website does make a few points. However, I still don't believe it, but I'm willing to make observations and be a little nit-picky on some things. You guys seem nice, tho, so I don't think we should have problems  |
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Post by Forum Manager on Aug 27, 2003 16:35:42 GMT
welcome. ill let sun king or uberkinder address your questions
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Post by JohnJakeUp on Aug 27, 2003 19:43:49 GMT
Hello |
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Post by SunKing on Aug 27, 2003 23:53:40 GMT
Two things wrong with that: 1) William's head grows when doing the crossfade to Sgt. Pepper. Please, HAIR grows. You see in this other picture taken from "60IF" site that in the red background one Faul's hair were a little bit increased (doctoring the photo) while Bill in his "natural photo" has "greased hair". Please ask Uberkinder the owner of that site JohnJakeUp:[glow=red,2,300]WELCOME!!![/glow] P.S. Oh yes! "Let it be" was a Bill excellent performance. Sun King |
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Post by JohnJakeUp on Aug 28, 2003 1:14:39 GMT
Sun King, thank you for disagreeing with me, but being very nice in welcoming me. Now, for the hair, that logic can be used in the cross between Paul from the old picture and Sgt. Pepper. Also, his eyes don't seemed aligned in your crossfade you presented tho. And the eyes don't seem aligned either. Though hard to tell with the supposed "Faul's" hair in the way, his ears look a bit lower. I think I E-Mailed Uber about it (Who is BadWrongFalsePaul@hotmail.com?), but I didn't get a response yet. And whether we think that Paul is still alive or dead, at least we both agree that Let It Be was superb |
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Post by SunKing on Aug 28, 2003 1:24:49 GMT
Also, his eyes don't seemed aligned in your crossfade you presented tho. And the eyes don't seem aligned either. Though hard to tell with the supposed "Faul's" hair in the way, his ears look a bit lower. Please have you zoomed into the picture (with an application like PicaView)? Well, if done, you can see ALL the features perfectly matching. Original animation resolution about 1600x1750. P.S. Here we are ALL Beatles fans.... |
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Post by JohnJakeUp on Aug 28, 2003 1:26:53 GMT
No, I don't have that kinda application. However, William's eyes look lower honestly.
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Post by SunKing on Aug 28, 2003 1:31:01 GMT
I'll send you the original overlay... It's dangerous for me telling you lies....after SO many evidences...  P.S. Please remember: the first plastic surgery Bill had was about eyes shapes...to "seem" more like James Paul's |
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Post by JohnJakeUp on Aug 28, 2003 1:37:56 GMT
That's if there was plastic surgery to begin with. Remember, us skeptics read your site and still aren't too sure about the plastic surgery deal. But the original might be more helpful.
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Post by SunKing on Aug 28, 2003 10:20:07 GMT
Have you ever read this before? Please read ALL the previous posts of this forum.... |
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Post by dwhite154 on Aug 28, 2003 13:57:06 GMT
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Post by SunKing on Aug 28, 2003 14:05:13 GMT
Dr. Robert, Try with those ones: ...image loading...please wait...   Those ones are DIRECTLY taken from official documents. |
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Post by dwhite154 on Aug 28, 2003 15:12:10 GMT
Here it is, Sun King.  My server space is dwindling fast from these animations. |
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Post by SunKing on Aug 28, 2003 15:52:13 GMT
Be careful, doctor...I've tested your animations and found you have stretched the images not in a proportional way.........
hhhmmmhhhhh
doctor....doctor....
Are you of the "Anthology" team?
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Post by dwhite154 on Aug 28, 2003 16:35:00 GMT
Thanks for the compliment. No, I'm just an amateur. I do try to resize the top layer only by pulling at the corners rather than the top and sides so as not to change the proportions. Once I have the inner corners of the eyes lined up, I make no other changes except to change the transparency of the top layer while snapping the jpegs. I'd be glad to post the jpegs used to make any animation I've posted here. But if you are right, and one of the initial layers was "stretched", it was not done intentionally. I'm as interested in finding the truth as the rest of you. Some of the animations seem to support 60IF, and others do not. I don't know how they are going to turn out until I've seen them myself. |
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Post by SunKing on Aug 28, 2003 16:47:35 GMT
...image loading...please wait... [glow=red,2,300]SUN KING'S DEFINITIVE ANSWER[/glow] |
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Post by dwhite154 on Aug 28, 2003 16:58:57 GMT
Yours is good, Sun King, but I liked mine better. Could you send me the source photo for the nightime Billy shot in the second animation? |
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Post by SunKing on Aug 28, 2003 17:07:45 GMT
Oh, you have not visited our show-case yet? Tons of very interesting documents... from "Strawberry Fields Forever" promo video |
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Post by dwhite154 on Aug 28, 2003 18:32:54 GMT
Thank you, Sun King! That is indeed a treasure trove of good photos. I saw a couple in there I had to try. The facial angles are a bit off, and I have read elsewhere in the forum that the White Album pic has been altered, but it was fun anyway. I see now why you think my perspective is off: you try to align the bottom of the nose as well as the eyes. I just align the eyes and let the other features fall as they might. I'm sure your technique has more scientific underpinning, but the results don't look as "natural" to me. As if "natural" had anything to do with this case!  |
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Post by SunKing on Aug 28, 2003 19:17:45 GMT
Advertising
Dr. Robert
You are free to do anything but...don't waste your time anymore...
BTW The nose HAS the same lenght ...in your last animation.. ;D ;D ;D
Thank you for this new evidence! ;D ;D ;D
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Post by JohnJakeUp on Aug 28, 2003 23:51:30 GMT
Have you ever read this before? Please read ALL the previous posts of this forum.... Yes I have actually. A while ago. |
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Post by JohnJakeUp on Aug 28, 2003 23:53:31 GMT
Those look VERY similiar to each other. |
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Post by JohnJakeUp on Aug 28, 2003 23:55:51 GMT
Doesn't prove much. Two different facial expressions completely. The one by Dr. Robert (his first one) was very convincing that it is the same person both times. This does nothing. ...image loading...please wait... [glow=red,2,300]SUN KING'S DEFINITIVE ANSWER[/glow] |
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Post by dwhite154 on Aug 29, 2003 5:05:41 GMT
Glad I could help, Sun King. And if my efforts inspire you and others to make the same comparisons for themselves, I do not consider my time wasted. I just look for photos that are similar in facial angle and expression, put them together, and see what happens. I have no stake in the outcome either way. But I am starting to think that Uberkinder was right in his recent posts, and that the frontal photo comparisons don't offer definitive proof that a substitution was made. To me, the most convincing comparison on his site is the "profiles" one, where you can clearly see the differing angles of the jawline in relation to the ear, and the distance from the ear to the front of the face. That said, here's another frontal animation. The Paul_63 photo does seem to make a pretty good match with every Faul photo I've tried it with.  |
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Post by SunKing on Aug 29, 2003 10:19:54 GMT
Advice #1 Please STOP with those animations made with photos taken from not official documents and non-uniform stretched. The only good references are: - "Yesterday and Today" "butcher version" front cover photo - "Sgt. Pepper" booklet photos Absolutely GOOD any photo DIRECTLY taken from document published BEFORE 1967 like: From "xpt626" postAbsolutely BAD any photo taken from the "Anthology Collection" Sun King |
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