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Post by MotherNaureSon on Oct 14, 2003 13:51:38 GMT
Heh... Just noticed something else that shoots my own theory in the foot - it states "here LIE buried" - meaning that a couple or family have been buried together. Now, unless Paul was buried with Brian... No, don't forget the drumskin of "Pepper's". It's about Paul, but it says "HE ^ DIE". If there they used "DIE", it's normal they use "LIE" in this one.
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Post by Curious on Oct 14, 2003 13:55:46 GMT
Sorry, but I'll have to disagree with you on this one. I don't think that this particular gravestone holds any real significance. It looks much too old, to start with - gravestones don't "go off" within a couple of years, especially not in the UK climate. I used to study graves (morbid hobby as a kid) and even in the middle of a city, it would take a good 10-20 years for a gravestone to get anywhere near that bad.
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Post by MotherNaureSon on Oct 14, 2003 14:05:05 GMT
Well,
I wouldn't pay much attention to the state of the grave in the cartoon. After all, the only interesting fact is that they included a picture of a grave, with no aparent meaning. (And I wouldn't dismiss the other coincidences I referred to before)
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Post by MotherNaureSon on Oct 21, 2003 10:44:55 GMT
I think I've seen a Bulldog with the Union Jack somewhere else, but I can't recall.
Anyway, one could think it's a reference to "Hey bulldog", but I don't think it has a special meaning.
I'm still more intrigued by the grave.
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Post by Nick910 on Oct 21, 2003 10:50:52 GMT
An Enlgish bull dog with a union jack is a common sign for British nationalists. I dont think it has any meaning here, especailly not to do with Paul being dead!
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Post by MotherNaureSon on Oct 21, 2003 11:07:01 GMT
That's it !
Thanks, Nick
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Post by Curious on Oct 21, 2003 11:15:41 GMT
Remember that as recently as the 1970s, the "British Bulldog" was a symbol of national pride in the UK, rather than nationalist pride, which it's used for today. It was originally a symbol of tenacity and longevity.
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Post by Scatterdome on Oct 28, 2003 22:27:21 GMT
I’ve got five clues from Yellow Submarine to contribute to this thread. I'm not sure if they've all been posted on this forum before... Firstly, I noticed that in the DVD booklet, the credits say “STARRING SGT. PEPPER’S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND.” That, of course, is the Beatles’ own name for the Faul (William Sheppard / “Sgt. Pepper” ) version of the band. Here is that page of the booklet: when they play "only a northern song" and it shows their faces in the boxes, it shows a wiggling line by the faces. when it gets to paul's face, the line is flatter, like a flat-line when someone in the hospital dies. My second clue occurs just before #9’s clue during “Only A Northern Song.” The following line coincides exactly with a sequence focusing on the drawing of “Paul’s” face: When you’re listening late at night / you may think the band are not quite right but they are / they just play it like that. Right on the words “not quite right,” the psychedelic portrait of his face moves further away from the “camera,” revealing the portrait’s exaggeration of Faul’s crooked chin! The next three clues seem to be confirmation of my view that the Beatles knew about the Illuminati and wanted to save the world from them, hence the primary motivations for their decision to continue the Beatles with Faul and teach the world a lesson (a lesson heavily discussed on the two threads I started under the “James Paul McCartney” subject, which I will provide links to at the bottom of this post) by intentionally giving us constant, blatant clues. Well, if the Beatles knew we would figure out that “Sgt. Pepper” and "Billy Shears" both mean “William Sheppard” because of the phonetic similarities, how about this: Blue Meanie = IlluminatiAlso, shortly before the Beatles arrive in Pepperland, the head Blue Meanie is seen eating a red rose. Later, he is defeated when Jeremy bombards him with red roses. The red rose is an Illuminati symbol, specifically the Rosicrucian branch. More on that at the links at the bottom of this post. Lastly is a major plot element of Yellow Submarine that strongly coincides with my view that the Faul plan was consciously devised by the Beatles save the world from the Illuminati. In the scene where they “unfreeze” Lord Mayor and devise their plan to save Pepperland from the Blue Meanies, Lord Mayor pretty much lays it out: Lord Mayor: “You could pass for the originals” Ringo: “We are the originals” Lord Mayor: “No, no, Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Heart’s Club Band.” John: “Well, they couldn’t be much with a name like that.” Paul: “Sgt. Pepper?” Lord Mayor: “You could impersonate them and rally the land to rebellion!” ;D Here is the link to a thread I started which ended up attracting some good discussion related to the idea that the Faul plan was meant, in several ways, to help the Beatles rally the world into a much-needed rebellion against the Illuminati: 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=paul&action=display&thread=1063892646And here is link to my complete theory, which is independent of 60IF and goes into further detail: 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=paul&action=display&thread=1063219993
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Post by eyesbleed on Oct 29, 2003 3:14:31 GMT
Lord Mayor: ?You could pass for the originals? Ringo: ?We are the originals? Lord Mayor: ?No, no, Sgt. Pepper?s Lonely Heart?s Club Band.? John: ?Well, they couldn?t be much with a name like that.? Paul: ?Sgt. Pepper?? Lord Mayor: ?You could impersonate them and rally the land to rebellion!? ;D WOW.... that's as good as the bit in the Imagine film. All these blatant clues I never paid any attention to before.
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Post by nowhereman on Nov 10, 2003 17:58:40 GMT
If I'm not mistaken, one of the Beatles says to Jeremy something like " That's very Billy Shears of you" to which Jeremy says "Who?" and looks puzzled.
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Post by Mollymalone on Nov 12, 2003 10:22:00 GMT
Did you notice on here it says- A [glow=red,2,300]SMASH[/glow] motion picture - a [glow=red,2,300]NEW DIMENSION[/glow]? For those for whom English is not your first language... a smash is another phrase for a crash.
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Post by Mollymalone on Nov 12, 2003 10:27:00 GMT
As for the british bulldog...I normally associate it with Winston Churchill. Is that a clue? Church Hill?
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Post by beldabeast on Nov 12, 2003 13:34:41 GMT
As for the british bulldog...I normally associate it with Winston Churchill. Is that a clue? Church Hill? I can't say . But good thinking !
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Post by nowhereman on Nov 21, 2003 20:54:47 GMT
Take a look at this: The Pyramid is a symbol of the illuminati isn't it? ( see backside of an american dollar bill. or it could just be a place to park your Yellow Submarine.
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Post by Eggman on Nov 21, 2003 21:05:02 GMT
This kind of pyramids are the same that we can find in Peru and Mexico
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Post by nowhereman on Nov 21, 2003 21:17:46 GMT
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Post by JakesBrie on Nov 21, 2003 22:00:55 GMT
Take a look at this: The Pyramid is a symbol of the illuminati isn't it? ( see backside of an american dollar bill. or it could just be a place to park your Yellow Submarine. There are a lot of Illuminati symbols in YS. I just watched the DVD again last night with the commentary on, learned something new. Seems after the premiere Al Broadnax cut some stuff out of the film without telling any of the other principal film makers. I would like to know what he cut and why. Brie
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Post by Scatterdome on Nov 22, 2003 5:34:14 GMT
The Pyramid is a symbol of the illuminati isn't it? ( see backside of an american dollar bill. or it could just be a place to park your Yellow Submarine. Yes! Thank you for posting that image—I can’t believe I failed to notice that the submarine crash-lands on the top of a pyramid right before the revealing bit of dialogue I highlighted at the end of my post on Page 3. I thought the dialogue said it all, but… WOW! This image totally confirms what I’ve been saying: Sgt. Pepper / Billy Shears = William Sheppard, so using the same language: BLUE MEANIE = ILLUMINATI!One would be hard-pressed to find a more powerful symbol of fighting the Illuminati than CRUSHING THE TOP OF A PYRAMID!Especially considering the dialogue that occurs right after this event. I’m sorry, I know it’s not necessary, but I can’t resist posting it again: Lord Mayor: “You could pass for the originals” Ringo: “We are the originals” Lord Mayor: “No, no, Sgt. Pepper’s Lonely Heart’s Club Band.” John: “Well, they couldn’t be much with a name like that.” Paul: “Sgt. Pepper?” Lord Mayor: “You could impersonate them and rally the land to rebellion!
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Post by Chris on Nov 24, 2003 14:44:51 GMT
All I can say is wow. I have to say, I'm not surprised. They all hated dealing with the tyranny of the Illuminati. They colored every aspect of their lives. I say, more power to John, George & Ringo !!!! Chris
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Post by Scatterdome on Dec 1, 2003 17:28:24 GMT
Another thing I noticed since my last post on this thread: Not only is the yellow submarine placed where the Illuminati's capstone-with-all-seeing-eye would normally be, but it is placed strategically so that the red portal on the submarine is EXACTLY where the all-seeing eye would be!! Trace out the smaller pyramid shape, with the base starting from where the Beatles and Lord Mayor are standing, and compare: If the appearance of this symbol in Yellow Submarine, combined with the dialogue that immediately follows, doesn't confirm that it is probable that the Beatles conceived the Faul plan to save the world from the Illuminati, then I don't know what does.For those of you unaware that the main symbol of the Illuminati is indeed the pyramid with a defined capstone containing the "all-seeing-eye," try this: Simply go to any internet search engine that can search for images using keywords, such as Google or AltaVista, and type in just the word "Illuminati" and hit the return button. Next, click on the "Images" tab and see what images are the first to pop up. Once you have this confirmation, re-read this thread starting at page 3.
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Post by Scatterdome on Dec 10, 2003 20:15:35 GMT
I just discovered another clue providing more confirmation to this idea; once again, I can't believe I missed this one until now, too:
The last line of dialogue heard just before the submarine lands on the missing top of the pyramid occurs when Ringo looks closely into the top of a pyramid-shaped pile of green apples on the side of the stone pyramid and says, "There's an eye in the apples," after which he removes an apple from the base of the pile, sending the apples tumbling and revealing the frozen Lord Mayor!!!
To posters familiar with the "theory" of the Illuminati explored by authors such as David Icke, Jim Marrs, and William Cooper: any comments?
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Post by eyesbleed on Dec 11, 2003 2:29:32 GMT
"There's an eye in the apples," To posters familiar with the "theory" of the Illuminati explored by authors such as David Icke, Jim Marrs, and William Cooper: any comments? I'm not the least bit familiar with the "theory".... BUT; To me, it's saying there's an inherent evil inside of some things that outwardly seems pure & harmless. No matter how healthy, clean, & sweet it seems.......... Sometimes the ones shouting salvation the loudest are, in reality, the most dangerous & evil.
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Post by Perplexed on Dec 11, 2003 6:35:10 GMT
Scatterdome, yes, you have studied the Secret Society topic in great depth and many of your observations do fit the patterns that have been deduced and elaborated on in recent years. SInce Alexander Hysslop (maybe before) thru Bill Cooper, and beyond, you are on top of this paradigm.
It may be true that you are on the money often; I am no expert and I think it is a murky at best area by necessity. I mean, they don't like to write anything down so after so much time, nothing is left (or little) that is concrete to make positive affirmations about their activities. Plus, some folks never make it to an inner loop, they probably infight just like all humans do, and what one small clique does over here another clique a time zone away may know NOTHING about what the former is doing. They aren't joined at the hip in every action taken. It could be that , byt the way ut was all carried out, there is virtually NO ONE left alive who really knows what happened, beyond the principle players. And with mind control so advanced (One reads, but who is sure) the principles may not realise everything that has happened. It may have been set in motion and now nobody knows.
I do find it hard to think that EVERY action of the Beatles or the PTB or Ilu'nati really relate EVERYTHING they do to these mystery school principles and codes. I think normal, typical human reactions are still possible in all this without viewing thru Illuminato colored glasses/ Surely they do exist and have; surely mundane humanity does too, and surely it wasn't all a tale of the Beatles and the Knowing Ones set, with jaws mutually clenched, at cross purposes in a broad psychology game intended to do battle with each other. I don't think Mystery Babylon wanted to hurt the Beatles; more likely they cultivated and groomed them. I think in so few years (62-70) these kinds of spy vs spy games going on between the two parties, with so much riding on CORRECTLY second guessing each others HIDDEN agendas, omits a real human factor. What reads well in an Mystery school expose (And don't get me wrong, I think they are real) may not include a lot of "mundane day-to-day living" that just goes on in God's good world. Or Mother Nature's good world for the agnostics out there. In other words, if we test EVERY tidbit we learn against an "illuminatti" view point, a host of other plausible explanations tend to be filtered out. Such as:
Sometimes a thing really just happens to be a conincidence. Sometimes the powers that be are busy doing something else, and don't care about the little thing we are viewing. Sometimes, for reasons that defy exposure, people change their minds, or change their behavior. On their own. We don't know why.
Mind control fails in an instance or two.
Plan A fails. Plan B fails. Plan C fails. Plan D backfires.
Sometimes the PWD are working to maintain societal equlibrium, and something called "Order." Yes, I know about the Hegelian dialectic. Hypothesis--Antithesis---Synthesis or Problem, Resolution, Assimilation or Chaos, Order, Change is Affected. No disagreement. All kinds of things: wars and peace, boom times and depressions; coups and big news events; the Bubonic Plague and vaccinations; good cop bad cop on and on.
But, as much as I believe a great deal of what happens (in a trend kind of way) probably is manipulated to achieve results; some stuff is just let go, or ignored. Man power. If everything is revealed, there then is left nothing to hide. And surely we don't know everything.
Oherwise, they'd have to keep their "workers" or "provocateurs" or whatever in underground caves and stuff to keep even a few thousand from tripping up and inknowingly blabbing. Everybody accidently blabbs. So the fewer that know the better. And that means less people are participated, and perhaps many INKNOWINGLY participate, but they are likely to screw up along the way. The whole of humanity miscalculates and messes up all the time,' they must err too. Unless they are superhuman........ And if they are, why hide from us?
What I am saying, is these conspiracies, as real as they may be; must have limitations. Sometimes I sense that your analyses, which are well written and thoughtful, lift the plotters and their people to the level of demiurges.
Well, if you're right, we're all doomed. We are mindless chattel, useless eaters, cattle, sheople, robots, slaves, the condemned, non-producers, disposable expendable lackeys waiting for a gap in organized healthcare to wipe us out of our misery.
Perhaps this is why I choose to believe in an all powerful eternal Spirit Who is able to redeem us from all our boo-boos and past violations.
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Post by Scatterdome on Dec 15, 2003 21:50:34 GMT
I'm not the least bit familiar with the "theory".... BUT; To me, it's saying there's an inherent evil inside of some things that outwardly seems pure & harmless. No matter how healthy, clean, & sweet it seems.......... Sometimes the ones shouting salvation the loudest are, in reality, the most dangerous & evil. Well put! Luckily, John and James Paul said many things over the years that revealed that they thought organized religion had done more harm than good to the world... see John's songs "Imagine," "I Found Out" and "God," for a few lyrical examples! So, those who share my views of the Beatles as heroes and might seemingly "idolize" them are in little danger of eventually being duped into joining an actual Beatles religion in the future. Intentionally or unintentionally, John & Paul had their bases covered. I don't know if you were referring to me, but either way I'll say this: I know it sounds like I'm shouting "Salvation," and in many ways I am... But I think that looking up to the Beatles as role models is only one of many things that will enlighten the masses into freedom. I definitely do not advocate actually worshipping them, nor did they. Scatterdome, yes, you have studied the Secret Society topic in great depth and many of your observations do fit the patterns that have been deduced and elaborated on in recent years. SInce Alexander Hysslop (maybe before) thru Bill Cooper, and beyond, you are on top of this paradigm. It may be true that you are on the money often; I am no expert and I think it is a murky at best area by necessity. I mean, they don't like to write anything down so after so much time, nothing is left (or little) that is concrete to make positive affirmations about their activities. Plus, some folks never make it to an inner loop, they probably infight just like all humans do, and what one small clique does over here another clique a time zone away may know NOTHING about what the former is doing. They aren't joined at the hip in every action taken. It could be that , byt the way ut was all carried out, there is virtually NO ONE left alive who really knows what happened, beyond the principle players. And with mind control so advanced (One reads, but who is sure) the principles may not realise everything that has happened. It may have been set in motion and now nobody knows. Well put, as always. You're right about infighting among Illuminati leaders-- it is one reason why the New World Order still isn't completely established. But I think the Illuminati are joined at the hip in one respect: they all agree that the masses should never be encouraged to be aware of the Machiavellian techniques that have worked for so many centuries, and that the masses should be trained to tune out anything that might reveal the long-term NWO agenda. They know that if they expose the true nature of their rivals' corruption, they also expose themselves and risk familiarizing the masses with the Machiavellian techniques on which they rely. This is the picture painted by the theories I parrot, at least... I do find it hard to think that EVERY action of the Beatles or the PTB or Ilu'nati really relate EVERYTHING they do to these mystery school principles and codes. I think normal, typical human reactions are still possible in all this without viewing thru Illuminati colored glasses. Ditto on that: I agree that the conspiracy of the power elite is only one factor in this story, not the whole story. This might surprise you, but I actually think that the Beatles set things up so that no knowledge of the Illuminati(or "knowledge from inside sources" such as the 60IF document, on that note) is required to decode the Beatles' main clues at all. As John sang, "There's nothing you can see that isn't shown..."However, when I first arrived here I had a hunch that speculating on how the Illuminati (as described by Icke, Marrs, Cooper, and many others)might fit into the story could be a shortcut to getting to the bottom of this mystery, as my view is that any global-scale mystery can be completely figured out when these theories are applied to the known facts. And since 60IF factors in secret societies too, I knew that that factor was appropriate to integrate into my theory for this particular forum. If I've uncovered many unrealized angles to the story, hopefully I've demonstrated that applying those authors' theory to the Faul mystery is an effective shortcut to getting closer to the whole story. And hopefully, I've gotten more people to check those books out for themselves. Surely they do exist and have; surely mundane humanity does too, and surely it wasn't all a tale of the Beatles and the Knowing Ones set, with jaws mutually clenched, at cross purposes in a broad psychology game intended to do battle with each other. That really is an effective description of the theme that I think is integral to this story! But, I don't think the Beatles were on their own in this battle, fully aware of the nature of the power elite they were resisting... I think there is an organized force in this world opposed to the Illuminati, whose esoteric knowledge and intelligence is at an equal level. They are on a mission to gradually awaken humanity from the Illuminati's conditioning. I think this force helped the Beatles out in ways that the Beatles probably never realized, and helped pave the way for the long-term Faul plan to go smoothly. I don't think Mystery Babylon wanted to hurt the Beatles; more likely they cultivated and groomed them. I partially agree; I think they cultivated and groomed them at first, assisting their rise to the top, excited at the prospect of using this young, relatively naive, physically attractive raw talent to maintain the dominance of male-female relationship songs on the radiowaves for the Baby Boom generation. They were the N-Sync of their day at first. But when Bob Dylan "turned them on" in September '64 and they began to evolve rapidly as people and musicians, they were too popular for the Illuminati to do much about it-- making martyrs out of them after they had already transformed would not have been the answer at the time, and popular demand for the Beatles in '66 was too great to be diminished by any Illuminati efforts. I think they tried many things to hurt the Beatles from that point, but their hands were tied from doing things that would've worked to diminish the influence of a less popular band. (New readers: there is more discussion on this idea at the following threads: "Paul hired a replacement in '66"(Page 4): 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=paul&thread=1063219993&action=display&start=45"More evidence of the switch and the clues" (Page 4): 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=paul&thread=1063892646&start=45(Note to readers: Sorry about the lengths of my recent posts-- I promise I'll try to keep them short enough to fit onto one post after this! On that note, the post after this one is Part II of this post.)
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Post by Scatterdome on Dec 15, 2003 21:52:23 GMT
I think in so few years (62-70) these kinds of spy vs spy games going on between the two parties, with so much riding on CORRECTLY second guessing each others HIDDEN agendas, omits a real human factor. True, but let's not assume that everyone involved is human! What reads well in an Mystery school expose (And don't get me wrong, I think they are real) may not include a lot of "mundane day-to-day living" that just goes on in God's good world. Or Mother Nature's good world for the agnostics out there. In other words, if we test EVERY tidbit we learn against an "illuminati" view point, a host of other plausible explanations tend to be filtered out. Such as: Sometimes a thing really just happens to be a conincidence. Sometimes the powers that be are busy doing something else, and don't care about the little thing we are viewing. Sometimes, for reasons that defy exposure, people change their minds, or change their behavior. On their own. We don't know why. Mind control fails in an instance or two. Plan A fails. Plan B fails. Plan C fails. Plan D backfires. Sometimes the PWD are working to maintain societal equlibrium, and something called "Order." Yes, I know about the Hegelian dialectic. Hypothesis--Antithesis---Synthesis or Problem, Resolution, Assimilation or Chaos, Order, Change is Affected. No disagreement. All kinds of things: wars and peace, boom times and depressions; coups and big news events; the Bubonic Plague and vaccinations; good cop bad cop on and on. But, as much as I believe a great deal of what happens (in a trend kind of way) probably is manipulated to achieve results; some stuff is just let go, or ignored. Man power. If everything is revealed, there then is left nothing to hide. And surely we don't know everything. Otherwise, they'd have to keep their "workers" or "provocateurs" or whatever in underground caves and stuff to keep even a few thousand from tripping up and inknowingly blabbing. Everybody accidently blabbs. So the fewer that know the better. And that means less people are participated, and perhaps many UNKNOWINGLY participate, but they are likely to screw up along the way. The whole of humanity miscalculates and messes up all the time,' they must err too. Unless they are superhuman........ And if they are, why hide from us? Well said! They do screw up alot, and people do blab. And their need to hide from us does reveal an Achilles' Heel... However, the way they compartmentalize knowledge really is an effective way to keep the vast majority of the people working for them oblivious to that fact, and oblivious to the real purpose of the assignments they receive from their superiors... I think David Icke explains this "compartmentalization" best, so I'll just refer you to any of his recent books. New readers: I do elaborate some of this using the Freemasons as an example in the bottom of my post on page 4 of my theory's thread featuring the Red Rose Speedway album cover. (Link to the theory, "Paul hired a replacement in '66, provided above.) What I am saying, is these conspiracies, as real as they may be; must have limitations. Sometimes I sense that your analyses, which are well written and thoughtful, lift the plotters and their people to the level of demiurges. This is one of the problems of communicating this Illuminati theory... sometimes I wonder if David Icke's books, for example, actually cause more people who have found plausibility in them to either think "They're that powerful? Where do I sign up?" or think "we're all doomed" (see quote below) than to go out and use the knowledge to go out and contribute to the fight against them. But if it's the truth, it's definitely better that we all know it. (Icke's books do stress the importance of knowing that collectively, the masses definitely have a good chance at breaking free.) Well, if you're right, we're all doomed. We are mindless chattel, useless eaters, cattle, sheople, robots, slaves, the condemned, non-producers, disposable expendable lackeys waiting for a gap in organized healthcare to wipe us out of our misery. Perhaps this is why I choose to believe in an all powerful eternal Spirit Who is able to redeem us from all our boo-boos and past violations. I personally wouldn't say we're all doomed, even if the Illuminati are as powerful as I'm implying. My message is that we do have the power to fight the Illuminati, and that learning from the Beatles in general is one route to freedom. "All you need is love..." (Afterthought: I think that another route to freedom lies in the decoding of crop circles-- and I'm not talking about the hoaxed ones. My view is that an organized force opposed to the Illuminati, whose level of knowledge and technology is at least as advanced as the Illuminati's, are gradually, but effectively, teaching the masses how to decode symbolism and open their minds, and their crop circles are another example. But if anyone wants to discuss that, send me a private e-mail and I'll start another thread elsewhere, since that subject would be inappropriate to discuss under the "Beatles" or "60IF" categories.)
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