Plane ( shot ) Down Theory

[LUCY]

I was reading this:

www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/forum.cgi?noframes;read=70511

and I thought about this:

Lyrics to Elton John's Goodbye Yellow Brick Road

What do you think you'll do then
I bet that'll shoot down your plane
It'll take you a couple of vodka and tonics
To set you on your feet again

Maybe you'll get a replacement
There's plenty like me to be found
Mongrels who ain't got a penny
Sniffing for tidbits like you on the ground

[cavendish]

Goodbye YELLOW BRICK ROAD.

DOROTHY, WE'RE NOT IN KANSAS ANYMORE

[LUCY]

fer shore

[semolinapilchard]

Isn't the first tune on that album "Funeral For a Friend" and doesn't that then go into "Love Lies Bleeding"?

Hmmm...

[semolinapilchard]

How bout these lyrics?

Love Lies Bleeding


Music by Elton John
Lyrics by Bernie Taupin
Available on the album Goodbye Yellow Brick Road



The roses in the window box
Have tilted to one side
Everything about this house
Was born to grow and die

Oh it doesn't seem a year ago
To this very day
You said I'm sorry honey
If I don't change the pace
I can't face another day

And love lies bleeding in my hand
Oh it kills me to think of you with another man
I was playing rock and roll and you were just a fan
But my guitar couldn't hold you
So I split the band
Love lies bleeding in my hands

I wonder if those changes
Have left a scar on you
Like all the burning hoops of fire
That you and I passed through

You're a bluebird on a telegraph line
I hope you're happy now
Well if the wind of change comes down your way girl
You'll make it back somehow


This song is also on the album:

This Song Has No Title


Music by Elton John
Lyrics by Bernie Taupin
Available on the album Goodbye Yellow Brick Road



Tune me in to the wild side of life
I'm an innocent young child sharp as a knife
Take me to the garretts where the artists have died
Show me the courtrooms where the judges have lied

Let me drink deeply from the water and the wine
Light coloured candles in dark dreary mines
Look in the mirror and stare at myself
And wonder if that's really me on the shelf

And each day I learn just a little bit more
I don't know why but I do know what for
If we're all going somewhere let's get there soon
Oh this song's got no title just words and a tune

Take me down alleys where the murders are done
In a vast high powered rocket to the core of the sun
Want to read books in the studies of men
Born on the breeze and die on the wind

If I was an artist who paints with his eyes
I'd study my subject and silently cry
Cry for the darkness to come down on me
For confusion to carry on turning the wheel


Also "Candle in the Wind" and others. That album may have lots of PID references it seems.

[cavendish]

That you Sem. I was thinking of both of those songs in connection with PID. I couldn't FIND the words to "This song has no title " !

I think that song is alluding to Bill. I also believe that Elton wrote Baby I'm Amazed. Either with Bill, or he just gave it to him ! The piano in that piece is TOTALLY Elton !

Alot of the early solo McCartney's work seems to have been heavily influenced by Elton's style !

Next post - Elton's biography !

[cavendish]

The son of a former R.A.F. trumpeter, Elton John was born Reginald Kenneth Dwight on 25.03.1947. Dwight began playing piano at the age of four, and when he was 11, he won a scholarship to the Royal Academy of Music. After studying for six years, he left school with the intention of breaking into the music business. In 1961, he joined his first band, Bluesology. In 1966, Bluesology became Long John Baldry’s supporting band, and began touring cabarets throughout England. Dwight became frustrated with Baldry’s control of the band and began searching for other groups to join. He failed to join King Crimson before responding to an advertisement by Liberty Records. Though he failed his Liberty audition, he was given a stack of lyrics Bernie Taupin who had also replied to the ad, had left with the label. Dwight wrote music for Taupin’s lyrics and began corresponding with him through mail. By the time the two met six months later, Dwight had changed his name to Elton John, taking his first name from Bluesology saxophonist Elton Dean and his last from John Baldry.

John and Taupin were hired by Dick James to become staff songwriters at his fledgling DJM in 1968. Over the next two years, the duo wrote songs for pop singers like Roger Cook and Lulu. In the meantime, John recorded cover versions of current hits for budget labels to be sold in supermarkets. By the summer of 1968, he had begun recording singles for release under his own name.In June of 1969, he released his debut album for DJM, Empty Sky, which received fair reviews, but no sales.

For his second album, John hired producer Gus Dudgeon and arranger Paul Buckmaster, who contributed grandiose string charts to Elton John. Released in the summer of 1970, Elton John began to make inroads in America, where it was appeared on MCA's Uni subsidiary. In August, he gave his first American concert at the Troubadour in Los Angeles, which received enthusiastic reviews, as well as praise from Quincy Jones and Leon Russell. Throughout the fall, Elton John continued to climb the charts on the strength of the Top 10 single, "Your Song." John followed it quickly in February 1971 with the concept album Tumbleweed Connection, which received heavy airplay on album-oriented radio in the US, helping it climb into the Top 10. The rapid release of Tumbleweed Connection established a pattern of frequent releases that John maintained throughout his career. In 1971, he released the live 11-17-70 and the Friends soundtrack, before releasing Madman Across the Water late in the year. Madman Across the Water was successful, but John achieved stardom with the followup, 1972's Honky Chateau. Recorded with his touring band -- bassist Dee Murray, drummer Nigel Olsson and guitarist Davey Johnstone -- and featuring the hit singles "Rocket Man" and "Honky Cat," Honky Chateau became his first American number one album, spending five weeks at the top of the charts.

Between 1972 and 1976, Elton John and Bernie Taupin's hit-making machine was virtually unstoppable. "Rocket Man" began a four-year streak of 16 Top 20 hits in a row; out of those 16 -- including "Crocodile Rock," "Daniel," "Bennie and the Jets," "The Bitch Is Back" and "Philadelphia Freedom" -- only one, the FM hit "Saturday Night's Alright for Fighting," failed to reach the Top Ten. Honky Chateau began a streak of seven consecutive number one albums -- Don't Shoot Me I'm Only the Piano Player (1973), Goodbye Yellow Brick Road (1973), Caribou (1974), Greatest Hits (1974), Captain Fantastic and the Brown Dirt Cowboy (1975), Rock of the Westies (1975) -- that all went platinum. John founded Rocket, a record label distributed by MCA, in 1973 in order to sign and produce acts like Neil Sedaka and Kiki Dee. John didn't become a Rocket recording artist himself, choosing to stay with MCA for a record-breaking eight million dollar contract in 1974. Later in 1974, he co-wrote John Lennon's number one comeback single, "Whatever Gets You Through the Night," and he persuaded Lennon to join him onstage at Madison Square Garden on Thanksgiving Day 1974; it would prove to be Lennon's last live performance. The following year, Captain Fantastic became the first album to enter the American charts at number one. After its release, he revamped his band, which now featured Johnstone, Quaye, Roger Pope, Ray Cooper and bassist Kenny Passarelli; Rock of the Westies was the first album to feature this lineup.

Throughout the mid-'70s, John's concerts were enormously popular, as were his singles and albums, and he continued to record and perform at a rapid pace until 1976. That year, he revealed in an interview in Rolling Stone that he was bisexual; he would later admit that the confession was a compromise, since he was afraid to reveal that he was homosexual. Many fans reacted negatively to John's bisexuality, and his audience began to shrink somewhat in the late '70s. The decline in his record sales was also due to his exhaustion. After 1976, John cut his performance schedule drastically, announcing that he was retiring from live performances in 1977 and started recording only one album a year. His relationship with Taupin became strained following the release of 1976's double-album Blue Moves, and the lyricist began working with other musicians. John returned in 1978 with A Single Man, which was written with Gary Osborne; the record produced no Top 20 singles. That year, he returned to live performances, first by jamming at the Live Stiffs package tour, then by launching a comeback tour in 1979 accompanied only by percussionist Ray Cooper. "Mama Can't Buy You Love," a song he recorded with Phillie soul producer Thom Bell in 1977, returned him to the Top Ten in 1979, but that year's Victim of Love was a commercial disappointment.

John reunited with Taupin for 1980's 21 at 33, which featured the Top 10 single "Little Jeannie." Over the next three years, John remained a popular concert artist, but his singles failed to break the Top 10, even if they reached the Top 40. In 1981, he signed with Geffen Records and his second album, Jump Up! became a gold album on the strength of "Blue Eyes" and "Empty Garden (Hey Hey Johnny)," his tribute to John Lennon. But it was 1983's Too Low for Zero that began his last great streak of hit singles, with the MTV hit "I'm Still Standing" and the Top Ten single "I Guess That's Why They Call It the Blues." Throughout the rest of the '80s, John's albums would consistently go gold, and they always generated at least one Top 40 single; frequently, they featured Top 10 singles like "Sad Songs (Say So Much)" (1984), "Nikita" (1986), "Candle in the Wind" (1987), and " I Don't Want To Go On With You Like That" (1988). While his career continued to be successful, his personal life was in turmoil. Since the mid-'70s, he had been addicted to cocaine and alcohol, and the situation only worsened during the '80s. In a surprise move, he married engineer Renate Blauel in 1984; the couple stayed married for four years, although John later admitted he realized he was homosexual before his marriage. In 1986, he underwent throat surgery while on tour in 1986, but even after he successfully recovered, he continued to abuse cocaine and alocohol.

Following a record-breaking five-date stint at Madison Square Garden in 1988, John auctioned off all of his theatrical costumes, thousands of pieces of memorabilia and his extensive record collection through Sotheby's. The audction was a symbolic turning point. Over the next two years, John battled both his drug addiction and bullimia, undergoing hair replacement surgery at the same time. By 1991, he was sober and the following year, he established the Elton John AIDS Foundation; he also announced that he would donate all royalties from his single sales to AIDS research.

In 1992, John returned to active recording with The One. Peaking at number eight on the US charts and going double platinum, the album became his most successful record since Blue Moves, and sparked a career renaissance for John. He and Taupin signed a record-breaking publishing deal with Warner/Chappell Music in 1992 for an estimated $39 million. In 1994, John collaborated with lyricist Tim Rice on songs for Disney's animated feature The Lion King. One of their collaborations, "Can You Feel the Love Tonight," won the Academy Award for Best Original Song, as well as the Grammy for Best Male Pop Vocal Performance. John's 1995 album Made In England continued his comeback, peaking at number 3 on the UK charts and number 13 in the US; in America, the album went platinum.In 1997 he recorded “Candle in the Wind 1997” for the funeral of Princess Diana and new album”The Big Picture”.In 1998 he was knighted.

[cavendish]

It seems that Elton started his career by fiddling with other people's work ! He found that he had a knack for putting music to other people's lyrics.
Hey, wait a minute. Wasn't Paul more the music composer & John the lyricist

I don't find it strange at all that Bill would use Elton. After all, Elton's talents would fit in nicely

[abbey]

Bill & Elton are very buddy, buddy. Check out these photos:



I like to refer to this as Bill's " Andy Kaufman " period.
He looks more like him than he does Paul !
Linda is obviously pregnant in this photo.

Same "party" :



Linda' s hair is parted on the other side in this photo. One of the above photos has been mirror printed.



Well lookey here It seems that Elton was at that same party. Small world, isn't it ?
Bill & Elton seem to have hit it off quite well

We all know that when Linda was pregnant with Mary, Bill was in his "hairy" period. So, she would have to be pregnant with either Stella or James in this photo.
I will be studying photos of Elton to try to figure out how old he was when that photo was taken. Of course, if anyone else can furnish that information, you would be saving me alot of time.

Two later photos of Bill & Elton:


"Hey, Bill is that a banana in your pocket or are you just happy to see me?" ;D ;D ;D
Quite "friendly", I'd say !

If Elton ever sat on Paul's lap, he'd crush the poor guy

[defhermit]

I totally forgot about that song "Empty Garden"... I remember I used to love that song but now I can not even remember how it went... it was a huge hit and it used to get played on the air all the time...

at this point all I have are Elton John greatest hits type collections and if I'm not mistaken I don't think it's on there!

has anyone heard this song lately?

[semolinapilchard]

How about this one from the same album...

Grey Seal

Why’s it never light on my lawn
Why does it rain and never say good-day to the new-born
On the big screen they showed us the sun
But not as bright in life as the real one
It’s never quite the same as the real one

And tell me grey seal
How does it feel
To be so wise
To see through eyes
That only see what’s real
Tell me grey seal

I never learned why meteors were formed
I only farmed in schools that were so warn and torn
If anyone can cry then so can i
I read books and draw life from the eye
All my life is drawings from the eye

Your mission bells were wrought by ancient men
The roots were formed by twisted roots
Your roots were twisted then
I was re-born before all life could die
The phoenix bird will leave this world to fly
If the phoenix bird can fly then so can i

[cavendish]

About death & re-birth.
HMMMMM.
Those words are pretty deep. I wonder if he had help from a certain "Beatle" in writing it

[TheDZ]

Intro-Shots
19.5 Minutes Boom!

[defhermit]

what the hell are those clips about?

[TheDZ]

defhermit said:

what the hell are those clips about?

Well, the thread subject says Plane Shot Down Theory..
and this is a Paul is Dead Forum...
and I posted some clips from Sgt Peppers Lonely Hearts Club Band
that showed Planes and Shots and Explosions in Midair..

..sheesh..


;D

[defhermit]

my point is, you could have mentioned what the clips were when you posted them... like "these are clips from sgt peppers"...

[TheDZ]

My point wants nothing to do with your point.

[abbey]

Darn, I couldn't get the clips to play from work so will have to try them at home.

I think a plane was brought in with the "men in black" but the people who were shot down and killed were the minions who did the actually deed. They couldn't be left alive because they were lowlives and might have a pint or two too many at the local pub and start talking.......so it was necessary to make sure they didn't, couldn't and wouldn't talk. Just a theory.

[defhermit]

thedezombificator said:

My point wants nothing to do with your point.

jeez, people here are weird.

[TheDZ]

I can't help it, the movie drove me mental....

George Burns sings Fixing a Hole.....


Arghh!!!

[Ludwig]

www.nightfever.co.uk/robert.htm

Speaking of the Sgt. Pepper Movie, has anyone here explored the Stigwood connection?

From above site:
During the mid 1960's Stigwood joined forces with Brian Epstein, the manager of the Beatles, to become co-manager of NEMS Enterprises. After Epstein's untimely death, Stigwood decided to form his own company, The Robert Stigwood Organisation (RSO), and promoted artists such as Mick Jagger, Rod Stewart, David Bowie and ultimately managed and forged the careers of, amongst others, the Bee Gees, Andy Gibb, Blind Faith, Cream and Eric Clapton; and under the RSO Records label recorded the music of Yvonne Elliman, Paul Nicholas, Player and Soundtrack Albums for the motion pictures "The Empire Strikes Back" and "Fame" in addition to those Films produced by RSO Films (see below)

[TheDZ]

Thanks Ludwig, that's good info..
The Sgt Pepper movie is very strange, almost unbearable,
but I'm sure it's packed with clues...Just have to figure out
who's who...it's a gruesome task.

She's Leaving Home sung by robots

[Ludwig]

I hear ya' DeZombificator. Kudos on the MMT map overlays BTW! The movie leaves me feeling creeped out and kind of angry.

www.badmovieplanet.com/unknownmovies/reviews/rev201.html

You'd probably be interested in this one. Quite possibly the worst film ever made, it's a musical made in 1980 and it's called, of all things "The Apple." Hmmmm.

From the above page:

"The Apple isn't just a failure, it's a failure in all its departments. It's even more than just a failure; it isn't just merely inept in everything it tries to do, it seemingly screws up everything in the worst possible way. It assaults your senses so severely, you're left numb."

[TheDZ]

Boogalow,Alphie,Apple,hmmmm

Thanks again Ludwig. If I find it I'll warm up with some Glen or Glenda, perhaps some Plan 9 first... ;D

I suppose a really good way to hide things is with a ludicrous,
ridiculous front....that way no one will think it's important
or relevant.

Reportedly, during its premiere at the Paramount Theater in Hollywood, audiences threw their free souvenir soundtracks at the screen, causing extensive damage.

www.imdb.com/title/tt0080380/usercomments

[byrdsmaniac]

Getting back to the Yellow Brick Road lyrics:

GOODBYE YELLOW BRICK ROAD
Music by elton john
Lyrics by bernie taupin

When are you gonna come down
When are you going to land ?
I should have stayed on the farm
I should have listened to my old man

You know you can’t hold me forever
I didn’t sign up with you
I’m not a present for your friends to open
This boy’s too young to be singing the blues

So goodbye yellow brick road
Where the dogs of society howl *
You can’t plant me in your penthouse
I’m going back to my plough

Back to the howling old owl in the woods
Hunting the horny back toad
Oh I’ve finally decided my future lies
Beyond the yellow brick road

What do you think you’ll do then
I bet that’ll shoot down your plane
It’ll take you a couple of vodka and tonics
To set you on your feet again

Maybe you’ll get a replacement
There’s plenty like me to be found
Mongrels who ain’t got a penny
Sniffing for tidbits like you on the ground. (end)


* Bear in mind use of the term "dogs" for the Beatle replacements

If this song is about Paul, Elton John is telling us that Paul was going to leave the limelight and go back to the farm. (The lyrics sung as if by Paul. Hmmmm.)
If Faul's RAM album is clues about what happened to Paul , (and I feel that it is), compare the GYBR lyrics to "Heart of the Country" :


Heart of The Country
(Faul)

I look high, I look low,
I'm lookin' everywhere I go,
Lookin' for a home
In the heart of the country.
L'm gonna go, l'm gonna go,
I'm gonna tell everyone I know
Lookin ' for a home
In the heart of the country.

Heart of the country
Where the holy people grow,
Heart of the country,
Smell the grass in the meadow.

Wo wo wo.

Want horse, I want sheep,
I want to get me a good night's sleep,
Livin' in a home
In the heart of the country.

L'm gonna go, I'm gonna go,
L'm gonna tell everyone I know
Livin' in a home
In the heart of the country.

Heart of the country
Where the holy people grow,
Heart of the country,
Smell the grass in the meadow. (end)

Perhaps Paul left the Beatles, but still wrote songs for a while. That might explain Lennon's "How Do You Sleep?" lyrics. In fact, if you think about it, "Good-Bye Yellow Brick Road" could be a song from Paul to John Lennon, even though it is attributed to Elton John/ Bernie Taupin,
with Paul suggesting that if John doesn't "come down"
his "plane" might be shot down, as was Paul's literally was. He advises John to have some stiff drinks to recover, should it happen.