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Post by Scatterdome on Oct 22, 2003 11:02:00 GMT
I think they were talented enough that they probably would have at least gotten out of the clubs, although this is just speculation and the fact remains that Brian was the managing genius who was crucial in getting them the extreme level of success they achieved.
But keep in mind that Brian (or Frian) died in August 1967, and Magical Mystery Tour was released in November 1967. This caption implies 4 or 5 living "magicians" (AWAY IN THE SKY, beyond the clouds, live 4 or 5 magicians), and its highly visible placement to the left of the "Little Nicola" clue strongly suggests that its meaning involves the same subject matter: Paul.
Also, the caption in question clearly uses spellcasting as an allegory for actual music-making. Brian did make their career happen, but I've never heard good manager skills likened to "spellcasting."
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Post by Curious on Oct 22, 2003 11:05:01 GMT
I don't think there's any real way of knowing whether the spellcasters implied are living or dead, or whether it's direct musi-making, or making the magic happen. Just my 2 cents - not meaning to be confrontational or argumentative!
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Post by PaulBearer on Oct 23, 2003 23:44:32 GMT
If you're going to think this way, what about George Martin as a "spellcaster"? It could be argued that he would be closer to being one.
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Post by Perplexed on Oct 24, 2003 2:36:46 GMT
If James Paul had been available for photographic sessions with the other 3 Beatles after Oct 66 and before the Sgt Pepper photo shoot, why wouldn't he have been used?
Imagine this exchange:
"Paul, in order to phase you out we need a few more sessions, a few more pics, that's all!" intoned the Person -in-Charge at the office. Petulantly, like a small disagreeable girl: "NO! NO! Simple no! Never..NEVER!!!! I shant do even one I tell you---no, not one! Bugger off! You are all impossible! See what you're doing to me! You are all driving me insane-all the screaming fans-I can't take it anymore..........AAAAAARRRRGHHHHHHH!" Paul bursts into pathetic waves of tears.
A moment passes.
The executive suggests, "But, Paul, if you agree to do some more pics, we can get you out of all this all the sooner, young man!"
Paul becomes quiet. He ponders deeply, then suddenly smiles and affirms, "Yes, I'll do it then! Bring on the cameras!!"
OK. Back to reality.
Why would not he be agreeable to submitting to just a few more picture, a mere 2 or 3 hours , in private somewhere, away from the fans and the mobs, away from the craziness he wanted to escape? Especially if, and it would be true, they would use HIS face for a session or two, slowly "retouch" his pictures, do some tricks on his pictures, and make the transition to Bill more gradual and more believable?
Why not use James Paul's living face to make a life mask, an exact, intact replica of the precise contours of his unmarred visage, by which the surgeons could have scientifically plotted the future course of surgery for Bill? They could have made a 360 degree photo montage, from above and below his face , and straight on, and meticulously created a plan for gradually carving a new Paul? They could have avoided oversights off the top, like the cleft chin situation.
And who paid for all this surgery? The Office for the Continuity of Rock Star faces?
If all Paul wanted was out of the limelight, assisting in these ways would have abetted the goal he was seeking. HE should have gladly posed for a few more pics, a series of photo studies, a layout or two, one last magazine spread, a face mask. They would have done an extensive Beatles spread in Cosmo or Time or Saturday Evening Post, with many final , "lets convince 'em I'm hanging around" photos.
But none of that happened.
It would seem that there were no transitional photo shoots, no mask making sessions, no record cover shoots, no single solitary "goodbye" shot.
Mr. McCartney was simply not available.
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Post by TheWatusi on Oct 24, 2003 3:43:10 GMT
The sad truth....
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Post by Curious on Oct 24, 2003 11:41:34 GMT
If you're going to think this way, what about George Martin as a "spellcaster"? It could be argued that he would be closer to being one. Good point - hadn't thought of George Martin.
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Post by Scatterdome on Oct 24, 2003 19:08:12 GMT
If you're going to think this way, what about George Martin as a "spellcaster"? It could be argued that he would be closer to being one. George would be the only other person, besides the real Paul, who was involved directly enough with the actual music-making to be considered the “fifth magician.” I had considered this option too, and I probably should’ve mentioned in my post that I did. However, I feel that two major details in the general layout of the booklet where these two clues appear make a stronger case for the fifth “magician” actually being Paul. To follow the flow of what I’m about to say, one needs to step back and look at them with unbiased, emotional eyes, while factoring in the knowledge that the Beatles had already loaded the graphic layout and lyrics of “Magical Mystery Tour” with numerous other “Paul Is Dead” clues, as that was the primary situation on their minds and the primary focus of all other major, intentional, mysterious clues provided in the graphic layout of every album after Revolver. The two details that point towards James Paul are: 1) The clue in question (AWAY IN THE SKY, beyond the clouds, live 4 or 5 magicians) appears, in both the original vinyl and the CD booklet, directly to the left of the potent “Little Nicola” clue, which we already know is about Paul (confirmed by John’s line in Glass Onion, “The Walrus was Paul.”), where the Beatles knew the eyes of anyone noticing the “Little Nicola” clue would drift next. If the Beatles already wanted us to notice the clue on the right, it would seem unlikely (at least to me) that they would put such an equally mysterious clue (a clue that has to be about SOMETHING) on the left side of the layout that was only merely intended to be a tribute to George Martin. 2) The graphic above the clue depicts four Beatle-magicians dancing in a circle. The artist, strangely, chose to draw an uneven circle. But if you look how their heads are lined up, then draw a fifth head between George and Ringo a heads-width further to the right, the heads would form a perfect (factoring in perspective) five-sided pentagram! Visually, this cartoon, to me, implies a HIDDEN magician dancing in the circle. George Martin wasn’t a HIDDEN contributor; it’s no secret that George Martin was their producer and a contributor to the music. In contrast, if my theory (the one posted elsewhere) is correct, then James Paul was the HIDDEN contributor to Magical Mystery Tour. Also, just try to picture a cartoon George Martin dancing around in a silly red robe; wouldn’t he look a little out of place? If this seems like a stretch, ask yourself: why did the cartoonist draw the dancing magicians in such an uneven circle? I have a response for Perplexed too, but that’ll have to wait until tomorrow as I have to go to work and then play a gig tonight.
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Post by Delta on Oct 24, 2003 21:24:16 GMT
five magicians... does someone recognize the second one from the left? or could "paul" be james paul and the second character from the left be bill? the relative positions could point that out: bill watching and learning from the others how to perform magic? ("...four or five magicians...": bill, learning to become the fifth magician, but not quite there yet?)
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Post by SunKing on Oct 24, 2003 21:36:49 GMT
...and the bus is going into the walrus mouth. Why? Magician "Paul" with pepper nose. Why?
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Post by Delta on Oct 24, 2003 21:56:40 GMT
...and the bus is going into the walrus mouth. Why? Magician "Paul" with pepper nose. Why? the "pepper nose" I can understand, but what is the meaning behind the bus going into the walrus' mouth?
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Post by Perplexed on Oct 25, 2003 2:49:06 GMT
Maybe the bus is not driving into the walruses' mouth. Maybe the walrus is taking a bite out of the bus. The big yellow bus.
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Post by Scatterdome on Oct 25, 2003 5:28:06 GMT
If James Paul had been available for photographic sessions with the other 3 Beatles after Oct 66 and before the Sgt Pepper photo shoot, why wouldn't he have been used? Why would not he be agreeable to submitting to just a few more picture, a mere 2 or 3 hours , in private somewhere, away from the fans and the mobs, away from the craziness he wanted to escape? Especially if, and it would be true, they would use HIS face for a session or two, slowly "retouch" his pictures, do some tricks on his pictures, and make the transition to Bill more gradual and more believable? Why not use James Paul's living face to make a life mask, an exact, intact replica of the precise contours of his unmarred visage, by which the surgeons could have scientifically plotted the future course of surgery for Bill? They could have made a 360 degree photo montage, from above and below his face , and straight on, and meticulously created a plan for gradually carving a new Paul? They could have avoided oversights off the top, like the cleft chin situation. And who paid for all this surgery? The Office for the Continuity of Rock Star faces? If all Paul wanted was out of the limelight, assisting in these ways would have abetted the goal he was seeking. HE should have gladly posed for a few more pics, a series of photo studies, a layout or two, one last magazine spread, a face mask. They would have done an extensive Beatles spread in Cosmo or Time or Saturday Evening Post, with many final , "lets convince 'em I'm hanging around" photos. But none of that happened. It would seem that there were no transitional photo shoots, no mask making sessions, no record cover shoots, no single solitary "goodbye" shot. Mr. McCartney was simply not available. Remember, the Beatles WANTED the public to eventually figure out that there was a Faul; otherwise they would not have intentionally given us so many blatant clues. Therefore, they would only have wanted the transition to be just believable enough to fool the people of their time, but not the people of the future. If the truth stayed permanently covered up, they would never get across the point they were trying to make. They knew that if they all simply grew facial hair, changed their wardrobe drastically, and Faul had only had a little plastic surgery, it would be enough to fool the vast majority of the people of their time. (Baby boomers, compare the percentage of people in 1967 who knew about the Illuminati to today’s people.) They also knew that the evolution of thought, technology, and information exchange rate (the latter having ended up being vastly increased by the popularization of the internet) over the years would eventually bring out the truth of the switch to the surface. (And, in response to Perplexed, when applied to my theory, they knew it would emerge certainly long after Paul had recovered from 1966 Beatlemania, whether or not he decided to remain in anonymity.) And the proof is in the pudding: the world WAS fooled by Faul, even when he first appeared after only preliminary plastic surgery. And, the truth has now come to the surface thanks to the internet and modern forensic comparison techniques. I believe their intentional clue-giving was passionately intended, above anything else, to eventually emerge, along with the truth of the switch, as one of the most important lessons the world urgently needs to learn to prevent the current impending downhill slide of civilization: The entire world CAN be fooled by a conspiracy of people with power, even when the conspirators are intentionally displaying constant, consistent, blatant symbolic clues in the world’s face.When the majority of people on Earth learn this lesson, the sick Machiavellian minds of the Illuminati’s royal bloodlines will finally be exposed to hundreds of millions of opened minds, ending their millennia-spanning reign and denying them their closely impending New World Order. If the Paul-switch becomes widely known as fact, many, many people, who previously denied that there was a meaning to the constant Illuminati symbols blatantly displayed by the world’s largest corporations and governments, would now check out the information a little more closely, their minds having been opened to the concept by the Beatles. When the amount of people who know about the Illuminati reaches a high enough percentage, the old forms of deception that have kept the masses unknowingly enslaved for so long will no longer work. By replacing Faul with Paul and giving us constant and blatant clues, the Beatles were trying to save the world. And now, it looks like they might succeed. My personal recommendation for a good author on the Illuminati is David Icke, although I believe Jim Marrs, William Cooper and William Bramley are also pretty accurate, of the authors whose works I’ve read so far.
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Post by burntangel on Oct 25, 2003 5:36:14 GMT
Excellent points by all. ANd william sheppard was considered a boozer, hence the red nose, no other magi has in the pic...
Good work, there, Tim.
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Post by Perplexed on Oct 25, 2003 8:07:02 GMT
I agree with you 99.99% All but one point.
I have read William Cooper; I called him once over the phone, two months before he died.( or was shot) I told him that I thought the towers fell because of a little known construction technique that allows rapid collapse and assures even, "safe" implosion, safe from falling on other blocks nearby. I said that the blueprints should be found and studied. A crazy musician friend told me years ago that they were built to collapse on demand; a requirement of Port Authority. He said that they would be imploded no later than 2030, the time of their obselesence. He said hey would clear all the surrounding blocks, and bring them down with TV coverage. He said the floors would pancake down like dominoes falling, rapidly, he said the angle clips that held the concrete floors up could be triggered to break away, triggered by some built in electro-mechanical innovation that the architects were proud of. He said his uncle or grandad or some relative knew one of the archi's real well. Anyway, Bill Cooper got angry with me, screamed at me, said Don't ever do that again!!! Do you have documentation, man? I said no. (I have none. Just a bitter memory of a chance conversation with a fellow musician on a bus in the early 90's.) He was livid and hung up on me. He was right. I have no evidence. Just a mental picture of a paradigm about that building. I'll never see that musician again. When I saw the footage on TV on 9/11, I realized I was watching what he "prophecied."
So I know about Mr. Cooper. Hate the way he died.
I have read Revelations many times. I have read Behold a Pale Horse.
I have heard Mr. Marrs many times.
I have talked to Dr. Robert Strecker in LA about HIV and Hepatitus B and the NYC blood bank.
Sorry my post was a little testy. It wasn't directed at you; I just, frankly, smell a death in this story. Somebody died. Somebody died in 1966. Lennon was grieving. They were piece mealing leftovers in. If Paul were alive, I really think he would have let his face be pasted into Sgt Pepper and maybe a couple of other things. A matter of expediting.
I totally agree that Lennon and most likely Martin and Harrison wanted to build in a temporary arrangement.
I also think that the planners knew it was a gamble. Only a fool would plan for less in this case. You are so right: I had the exact thought on my way home earlier tonight. They had succeeded at pulling off an impossible thing, a thing with no precedent (that we know of).The world believed it (by and large). The public is in unknowing, but total psychological collusion with the planners. How then can the public, or portion of it, ever ever complain that it has been had? How can suit be named against those from whom they have feasted with? We enjoyed the album.We bought millions. No one ever complained that it was inferior music. The overall plan of Sgt Peppers was to clear every attempt at a class action commercial fraud case.
If Paul was alive and hiding-------why would they protect him or allow him to go on? He would just be a pain in the ass to them. If he ever turns up, he would blow the plan. I don't think they would have viewd him as a useful asset incognito; a fussy song writing machine turned world weary finicky and a prima donna to boot! A living Macca, hiding out on an underpopulated island in the Mediterannean, occasional putting out a song or two is not an ideal Macca! That is why they bury the Beatles on the cover. That is why the clues are abundant. That is why the product is labeled ambiguously. Is it an album by Sgt Peppers LHC Band, or is it a Beatles album? There is a pluasible scenario planted in the lyrics (He blew his mind out in a car, he didn't notice that the lights had changed) and (No one really knew if he was from the House of Paul (in sound) or is it "Lords" (by printed lyric sheet?)
The only motivation I can feel from the bizarreness of Sgt Peppers is that of people scrambling to keep appearences up.
And frankly, the song well dries up. Just my opinion, and I percieve that you are a busy, excellent musician, so I don't mock your expertise------I am sure you posess it. (What do you play?) I don't know if you write songs, so you may have strong opinions on this, but in terms of the Beatles---------the Paul brand of songwriting stops. The melodic invention, scale choices, chord progressions, and "ensemble" concepts that Paul brought in to songs like Michelle, Paperback Writer, I Feel Fine,etc. just stops. I am not saying there aren't nicely devised things later; just that Paul's stylistic signatures go away. A song like "Girl" is not a rock song. Give it a listen. It is pure music hall. With a "greek" flavor. (fun instrumental break). The tunes, which range from Dorian based (Eleanor Rigby), to Myxolydian based (Paperback Writer verses) from blues based, to harmonic minor (Girl verses) My point is, it ain't all major, it aint all moondoggie rock.
I guess I am rambling..sorry. Your strong belief, and I respect you for it, and your research and working out of details is impressive and thorough-is that Paul survived till '73 or so. You are using logical points.
My position is weaker, because its just a visceral reaction. Emotion. I just sense Lennon's feeling of abandonment, and the hyper-controlling machinations of a corporation (and whoever) tight lipping and white knuckling thru a vulverable time due to a death, and somehow winning the game and establishing their new Trilby.
Houdini could not have done it better.
Perhaps I am all wet, all wrong. It has happened before........so, perhaps we agree resoectfully to disagree. I won't bring in a cloud again on one of your posts..........sorry!
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Post by SunKing on Oct 25, 2003 8:16:28 GMT
does someone recognize the second one from the left? It's "Giant" Mal Evans. Check out MMT film.
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Post by JamesPaul & Brian on Oct 25, 2003 8:28:55 GMT
Thank you Perplexed for your AWESOME amazing book you are writing daily in this forum
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Post by Perplexed on Oct 25, 2003 8:42:15 GMT
Well, I have just one more thing to add............
If the Beatles hatched a plan to expose the Hidden Rulers Plans or PTB's or whatever we dare nickname them--------why would EMI not smell and rat and say no?
Why would a corporation so large and visible, with tentacles reaching into military and other places, allow itself into dangerous legal territory by passively catering to some contract musicians with some eccentric schemes?
I'll give you that they might, if the contractees' actions didn't "fall under the radar." What they don't notice won't hurt them. Presumably yes.
But then, George Martin has to be one smart cookie. He had sway-after all, remember he wouldn't let poor Ringo play the traps on recordings at the first. Why would he have let Bill sing or play or anything else? Even as a decision of caution?Much less be photographed as Paul?
But allowing the Beatles to conduct this kind of experiment could potentially be broadly perceived as constituting fraud------thereby placing EMI and all other associated parties in jeopardy of scandalous, long expensive lawsuits.
The boardroom boys would kibosh this at the very suggestion. This would be a risk threatening complete failure and liquidation of EMI. No, no, they would tell Paul to play, or "we replace you!"
That is why I think that small core at EMI who may have known NEVER agreed initially to a replacement. They would have only agreed do a record with a gigantic, hit you in the face disclaimer. The lawyers must have approved the clues. So there is assured NO LEGAL FRAUD. A well prepared disclaimer is your best defense before and at court.
Like McDonalds with the warning about hot coffee on the label. Really, are people that f*&*(^&*%g stupid? No. They are sue-happy! Especially in the USA!
However, the inverse creates an ironic conflict. If the Beatles had done Sgt Peppers with "James Paul McCartney the original" still alive, somewhere in seclusion, then making this album with ALL THOSE CLUES would have constituted legal fraud. The clues all point to his death. Obviously! They advertise the change. If the public was meant to EVENTUALLY come to believe he was dead, only then to be shown he was really ALIVE (quick, bring Paul up out of the golden box!) you are right. They would see that could be manipulated and lets beware the Mighty Elites.
But they might not see the elites. They would see only three Beatles who had manu\ipulated them, they would then many class action suits. In this second scenario, the public has been commercially duped. It doesn't matter why, it doesn't matter how altruistic Lennon's motivation might have been. It would only matter that they were told so and so is dead, had their emotions jerked, and they were lied to, and spent their money in the process. Multi-millions. The court case is slanted heavily against EMI in this way.
So EMI lawyers would never permit such a record to go out. They review everything. EVERYTHING. It would be shelved, or covered over like the butcher cover. There's your indicator, the butcher cover. That shows you the action the record company takes--fix it or bury it. Plus, that butcher disaster had just happened. At this point, the Beatles are under the microscope. Memos are flying.
In the other scenario, the lawyers know they are covered. The clues on Sgt Pepper are amusingly blatant. The judge (no doubt a high up muckety muck) will decide in favor of EMI. It's defendant's advantage in this gamble: and if the public bites, they win really big. If the public doesn't buy the identity switch, they make millions on a controversial, but legal, and very FINAL, Beatles album exposé.
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Post by Scatterdome on Oct 25, 2003 23:36:28 GMT
It's "Giant" Mal Evans. Check out MMT film. True, the Beatles led us to believe the 5th magician is Mal Evans. But the Beatles also led us to believe that Faul is Paul. Whether dealing in lyrics, art or reality, the Beatles were masters of double (and sometimes triple) meanings. The "5th magician" line in the MMT booklet could be another example of this. =================================== BTW Perplexed, I've got a few new thoughts inspired by your posts, but I won't have time to write them until later this week, so hang tight...
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Post by danny on Oct 26, 2003 0:55:24 GMT
5th magician is magic alex
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Post by PaulBearer on Oct 26, 2003 2:11:40 GMT
Another problem with Scatterdome's theory is that he says that after "Tomorow Never Knows", The Beatles had become the Illuminati's enemy. But, on the contrary, it was the illuminati's plan to introduce drugs into the Amercian culture, for mind control, and to seduce and bring moral decay, the breakup of the family structure etc in its long-term plan to destroy America. I believe it was quite likely that Paul was the one who would not/could not cooperate with this plan and so...first he said something wrong in 64 and so they poisoned him there and then and it almost killed him. But, after his death in 66, they had the opportunity they had been waiting for - to come disguised as angels of light and give the "gift" of a new Paul to the remaining Beatles. At first, the Beatles thought it was just a game, a temporary thing until all the remaining music was recorded...they had no idea what they were getting into or the long-term ramifications...
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Post by Delta on Oct 26, 2003 19:18:26 GMT
interesting. and a well thought-out scenario, too. by the way, do you have any idea what it was that Paul said that he was poisoned for?
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Post by SunKing on Oct 26, 2003 21:10:37 GMT
Another problem with Scatterdome's theory is that he says that after "Tomorow Never Knows", The Beatles had become the Illuminati's enemy. But, on the contrary, it was the illuminati's plan to introduce drugs into the Amercian culture, for mind control, and to seduce and bring moral decay, the breakup of the family structure etc in its long-term plan to destroy America. I believe it was quite likely that Paul was the one who would not/could not cooperate with this plan and so...first he said something wrong in 64 and so they poisoned him there and then and it almost killed him. But, after his death in 66, they had the opportunity they had been waiting for - to come disguised as angels of light and give the "gift" of a new Paul to the remaining Beatles. At first, the Beatles thought it was just a game, a temporary thing until all the remaining music was recorded...they had no idea what they were getting into or the long-term ramifications... Paul Bearer: now I know the reason why you were the second chosen....
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Post by Scatterdome on Oct 26, 2003 21:23:07 GMT
Another problem with Scatterdome's theory is that he says that after "Tomorow Never Knows", The Beatles had become the Illuminati's enemy. But, on the contrary, it was the illuminati's plan to introduce drugs into the Amercian culture, for mind control, and to seduce and bring moral decay, the breakup of the family structure etc in its long-term plan to destroy America. I believe it was quite likely that Paul was the one who would not/could not cooperate with this plan and so...first he said something wrong in 64 and so they poisoned him there and then and it almost killed him. But, after his death in 66, they had the opportunity they had been waiting for - to come disguised as angels of light and give the "gift" of a new Paul to the remaining Beatles. At first, the Beatles thought it was just a game, a temporary thing until all the remaining music was recorded...they had no idea what they were getting into or the long-term ramifications... This is only a "problem" in my theory if you have never tried mushrooms or LSD and actually believe what the governments tell us about hallucinogens: that they do not open the mind, and that they might as well be lumped in the same category with heroin and crack. The Illuminati definitely promote the mass distribution of many nasty, addictive drugs (some publicly, such as cigarettes and alcohol), but to them, the distribution of hallucinogens to the masses is a problem that they wish would go away; they wish they could hoard all hallucinogens for their own use. The Illuminati are where they're at because they understand that knowledge is power, and thusly they will only stay on top if they can keep the most powerful knowledge learned over the ages hidden from the masses. As John Lennon commented in his 1980 Playboy interview: "we must remember to THANK the U.S. Army and CIA for developing LSD. They thought they were making something to CONTROL us, but they made something that FREED our minds instead..." LSD, mushrooms, peyote, mescaline and other hallucinogens are known for opening the mind. That is why the Beatles' music transformed in 1966 the way that it did. This is also why marijuana remains illegal, and why the Illuminati want the public to lump hallucinogens into one category - DRUGS - and to be ignorant to difference between hallucinogens and addictive "pleasure" drugs, only the latter which actually serve the Illuminati's agenda of wearing down the minds and bodies of the masses. The Illuminati are well aware that history shows that when people are left to create their own Illuminati-free governments (tribal governments) the leader of the tribe tends to be the shaman/musician, whose duties include both healing as the medicine man, and leading rituals by playing an instrument and/or singing after ingesting a hallucinogen. If you don't believe that the Beatles were not positive psychedelic "light-warriors" trying to save the world by opening the masses' minds with the "PID" plan, find yourself a nice bag of mushrooms, eat them, wait about a half hour, and put on "Tomorrow Never Knows" on a good stereo. "Turn off your mind, relax and float down stream; it is not dying, it is not dying. / Lay down all thoughts, surrender to the void, it is shining, it is shining. Yet you may see the meaning of within; it is being, it is being." Next, put on the "Sgt. Pepper's" album. When it gets to "Within You Without You," think about the idea that the Beatles may have hatched the "PID" plan to help open your mind and bring down the Illuminati, and pay close attention to the lyrics: We were talking-about the space between us all And the people-who hide themselves behind a wall of illusionNever glimpse the truth-then it's far too late-when they pass away.We were talking-about the love we all could share-when we find it To try our best to hold it there-with our love With our love-we could save the world-if they only knew.Try to realise it's all within yourself No-one else can make you change And to see you're really only very small, And life flows within you and without you. We were talking-about the love that's gone so cold and the people, who gain the world and lose their soul- They don't know-they can't see-are you one of them?When you've seen beyond yourself-then you may find, peace of mind, Is waiting there- And the time will come when you see we're all one, and life flows on within you and without you. Well, I have just one more thing to add............ If the Beatles hatched a plan to expose the Hidden Rulers Plans or PTB's or whatever we dare nickname them--------why would EMI not smell and rat and say no? Why would a corporation so large and visible, with tentacles reaching into military and other places, allow itself into dangerous legal territory by passively catering to some contract musicians with some eccentric schemes? Allowing the Beatles to conduct this kind of experiment could potentially be broadly perceived as constituting fraud------thereby placing EMI and all other associated parties in jeopardy of scandalous, long expensive lawsuits. The boardroom boys would kibosh this at the very suggestion. This would be a risk threatening complete failure and liquidation of EMI. No, no, they would tell Paul to play, or "we replace you!" That is why I think that small core at EMI who may have known NEVER agreed initially to a replacement. On the contrary; the liquidation of EMI would be very small potatoes for the Illuminati, when compared to the much larger things at stake for them. To illustrate this, I'll recap the timeline which I detail in my theory: One of the Illuminati's primary goals has always been to keep the masses mesmerized by their various forms of mind control. One modern form of control is mainstream radio; when 99% of the songs on the radio are about male-female relationships, the end result is a population brainwashed into believing that marriage and reproduction is the only important thing to life. ("It must be, that's all people sing about.") This way, the Illuminati can control both ends of the essential conflict between population growth and population reduction. Therefore, when the Beatles first started out, the Illuminati were more than happy to assist their rise to the top; the Beatles were their unknowing servants, exclusively singing tradition-based pop songs about romantic relationships. But when they went psychedelic and began to sing about other things, they transformed into the Illuminati's enemies, prompting the Illuminati to sabotage their 1966 tour, among other frustrating wrenches thrown in their works. This is what led to whatever happened in autumn 1966, whether it's 60IF or my theory's plotline. When EMI was first made aware of the Faul plan in 1966, their Illuminati bosses gave it the green light, believing it would provide them an opportunity to eventually perform a major media character assassination on the Beatles, thus ensuring that less people would imitate their positive example of psychedelic transformation. (a much greater risk than the downfall of EMI; psychedelic transformation of the masses could lead to the downfall of the Illuminati.) The Beatles must have cleverly convinced their EMI bosses (initially) that they wanted to keep the reality of their new bandmate a secret. The Beatles had the public clout to release Sgt. Pepper's, cover and all. Though it was the giveaway to the Illuminati that the "PID" plan was actually intended by the Beatles to open people's minds, if they (through EMI) had tried to stop its release, the public stink raised by the Beatles would've caused far more suspicion and unwanted attention drawn to the cover (or also music) in question than simply letting them release it. With the release of Sgt. Pepper's in 1967, the Beatles had outsmarted the Illuminati, blind-siding them with the reality that they were going to place Illuminati-style clues in their lyrics and artwork so that the public would eventually figure out that Paul was replaced. The Illuminati had missed their chance at character assassination, and were now dedicated to keeping the Paul-switch covered up as long as possible.
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Post by Perplexed on Oct 26, 2003 23:26:58 GMT
"keeping the Paul-switch covered up for as long as possible."
Doesn't it seem, though, that the Beatles would have, had this been thouroughly exposed by the Elites,at that time, then lost all credibility with the world at large? Wouldn't that please the Elites, if this was their goal?
To think that billions would have wised up on finding they had been duped by the Beatles? Why would an act of evil (deception) inspire the masses to be spiritually transformed and begin acting in holy unison? (warning: religious overtones to follow) The truth shall set us free, right Scatterdome?
Do you feel that they believed that this pretense , brought down, would make people free?
And how would the confused masses untangle all this for their betterment? Why wouldn't millions have been angry and disillusioned with John Lennon and all who did this, if Paul were alive and it was a sham?
Does perpertrating one sham expose a bigger sham?
Just my opinion, but I think the spotlight would have only gone on the Beatles and the world would have said shame shame. Like little kids: MOTHER:"Brandon, stop putting crayon marks on the wall! I've told you over and over never to do that!? BRANDON: "Well, I just wanted to illustrate to you how my sister Molly is really doing it ALL the time." MOTHER: "Well, sorry. Your the one I caught violated, therefore you get punished!"
I mean no offense, scatterdome, but in spite of your Beatles "plot" seeming noble, wouldn't they have been actually at the least juvenile?
The direct telling of the truth is the best way.
"Let your yes be a yes, and a no be a no."
Sometimes, it is best not to talk of certain subjects. "Cast not your pearls before swine." And after all, as far as the sheople go: Most people can't even see how he looks like two different men in a handful of photgraphs? This is simple face recognition.
Thinking that millions could grasp the idea of the illuminati from this seems far stretching, at least to me, sir. That they could do anything about it seems more dubious.
The Pyramids were heavy to build.
They would be impossible to INVERT.
Let's see, THE pyramid from bottom to top: Billions of people think about daily survival. Millions of people think about making a buck. Hundreds of thousands think about their new luxury home. Thousands are spending millions on their fabulous, indulgent lifestlyes. Hundreds of people are ruling nations and countires with an iron fist. A few dozen are ruling them. There is one coming soon who controls the hand-picked dozens.
"No one was found that could do battle with the Beast."
But , fortunately, there is One coming Son who has been found worthy and able to do battle, and to rule.
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Post by SgtPepper on Oct 27, 2003 3:23:31 GMT
Hundreds of people are ruling nations and countires with an iron fist. A few dozen are ruling them. Maybe some of the "leaders" of today, but I can't imagine anyone telling Stalin what to do. I'm not convinced this Illuminatti is really so powerful as people are claiming - but a PID site will certainly attract conspiracy theorists. From my understanding of the Bible, most of Revelation was probably supposed to happen soon after the fall of the 2nd temple in Jerusalem during 70 C.E. That's when Matthew 24 indicates, 666 corresponds to the numerical value of "Nero Ceasar", and frankly I think John was writing about events of his day - perhaps hoping for a new Jerusalem would come after the old was destroyed. 1 Corinthians 13:8 says that prophecies shall fail. Revelation 22 says twice, "Behold, I come quickly" (v. 7 & 12). 1900+ years aint quickly by any stretch of the imagination. Revelation was very nearly not one of the book chosen for the canon during the 4th century - maybe because by then they saw this not happening. So I think you made a good post and don't want to turn this into a religious discussion. Yet I feel I must illustrate how some of the books of the Bible may be wrong - but it does not have to be all right or wrong.
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