lucky conspiritors? I think not!

[billyshears]

TEXT ;)there are two kinds of truth in this world,those things which are real, and those that are real but are not believed.it is because of this that I say the truth about "billy shears" or,even billy shepperd if you like, will never be fully revealed because "beatle fans" do not want to know the truth. thier lives thier memories stretch too far and too deeply with all things "beatles".they are happy believing the "story" of the beatles as history claims it really to be,not as it really is.having said all that the last I checked I still have a pulse , while william sheppard does not,therefore , since paul mccartney is still alive[whoever he may actually be]I doubt he will be sharing his true identity anytime soon! however I have no doubt the truth will emerge though not until long into the future ,when it will not matter as much. historically speaking ,it should be great fun.one last thing ,just because your goals are unlikely to ever flourish doesnt mean you should quit"the willow turns its back on inclemate weather"I doubt you"ll ever even guess but with a little luck who knows? do not expect to be believed "sorry"

[Perplexed]

..........wont'chu listen t' what the man said..................he said:....

Well, just maybe, it is at least possible, just this time, that this site has received a comment from an astonishing place.

That's all's I'm sayin'.

Who knows. Maybe there were THREE people over time Being John Malkovich.

Can it all get any more bizarre?

[SunKing]

billyshears said:

TEXT ;)there are two kinds of truth in this world,those things which are real, and those that are real but are not believed.it is because of this that I say the truth about "billy shears" or,even billy shepperd if you like, will never be fully revealed because "beatle fans" do not want to know the truth. thier lives thier memories stretch too far and too deeply with all things "beatles".they are happy believing the "story" of the beatles as history claims it really to be,not as it really is.having said all that the last I checked I still have a pulse , while william sheppard does not,therefore , since paul mccartney is still alive[whoever he may actually be]I doubt he will be sharing his true identity anytime soon! however I have no doubt the truth will emerge though not until long into the future ,when it will not matter as much. historically speaking ,it should be great fun.one last thing ,just because your goals are unlikely to ever flourish doesnt mean you should quit"the willow turns its back on inclemate weather"I doubt you"ll ever even guess but with a little luck who knows? do not expect to be believed "sorry"

It's you....Billy?

[gracemer]

Hi Billy, if it's really you. There's a LOT of Beatles fans who would love to know the truth, especially older fans who saw the difference immediately. We're not going to kill ourselves over this. I understand you might not want to be around for the s**tstorm that would break, but you might not fare as badly as you think.

having said all that the last I checked I still have a pulse , while william sheppard does not,therefore , since paul mccartney is still alive[whoever he may actually be]I doubt he will be sharing his true identity anytime soon!

What are you saying here? That you're Faul but not William Sheppard? That Wm. S. is dead? That you're really Paul (but screwed up what you meant to say)?

If it's really you and you're posting, you're obviously not fearful of retaliation by "them."

Anyhow, welcome. Hope to hear much more from you.

[gracemer]

Chris said:

:(Googoo - It's not ALL about Paul. It's about Paul, Brian Epstein, Tara Browne, Brian Jones, Mal Evans, the girls that were in the car with Brian & Paul, & whomever else lost their lives because of this conspiracy. ...

Love to all...

Chris

Excellent observation, Chris, and how true. I take back what I said about him possibly not faring so badly when the truth comes out.

[billyshears]

change is a profound thing. some people are better at it than others.how would you be able to cope with an upheavel in your life that never ends?change,when it happens is often unexpected and bizzare,nobody can prepare you for it least of all yourself.I can readily understand the mixed even fierce emotions I often come across from people who have "got it"!
regarding: the "billygoat gruff shears"saga.whatever mr.billy shears real identity[once] ,plotting a lifeline of escape from an ordinary life to live an extraordinary one,was never any more planned on than any other jhon/jane doe whos ever dreamed large,but secretly suspects it will never become a reality. as for the loss of PAUL,it has and will always be of great offence to me that anyone who suspects the "truth",would actually believe that there could ever be anything less than sincere remorse and utter respect from those in the "real know" regarding a brilliant man ,musician,honourable with friends and family alike,while living his life! finally, anyone is welcome to believe whatever they wish,I certainly don't dispute the complexity of the "situation".however the "fun" I find in the enevitablle discovery of "everything" is not a perverse one,but a grateful one,eventually people will learn the truth, and they will believe as much ,or as little,as they choose to.I however, have never considered the "situation" to be in any way amusing,or something to be taken lightly ever! more finally, while I understand the" idea "of persons "in the real know"being harmed or[taken out as it were] to be intrieging and volitile,I do not, nor have I ever thought such a thing to be amusing or palatable, nor does anyone in the" real know ". anyone who says otherwise, has that right! nonetheless, its like the man said"two dums don't make a smart"no one will really ever know the depth and the bredth of love,respect and admiration held for PAUL by those in the "real know"! TEXT

[SunKing]

billyshears said:

change is a profound thing. some people are better at it than others.how would you be able to cope with an upheavel in your life that never ends?change,when it happens is often unexpected and bizzare,nobody can prepare you for it least of all yourself.I can readily understand the mixed even fierce emotions I often come across from people who have "got it"!
regarding: the "billygoat gruff shears"saga.whatever mr.billy shears real identity[once] ,plotting a lifeline of escape from an ordinary life to live an extraordinary one,was never any more planned on than any other jhon/jane doe whos ever dreamed large,but secretly suspects it will never become a reality. as for the loss of PAUL,it has and will always be of great offence to me that anyone who suspects the "truth",would actually believe that there could ever be anything less than sincere remorse and utter respect from those in the "real know" regarding a brilliant man ,musician,honourable with friends and family alike,while living his life! finally, anyone is welcome to believe whatever they wish,I certainly don't dispute the complexity of the "situation".however the "fun" I find in the enevitablle discovery of "everything" is not a perverse one,but a grateful one,eventually people will learn the truth, and they will believe as much ,or as little,as they choose to.I however, have never considered the "situation" to be in any way amusing,or something to be taken lightly ever! more finally, while I understand the" idea "of persons "in the real know"being harmed or[taken out as it were] to be intrieging and volitile,I do not, nor have I ever thought such a thing to be amusing or palatable, nor does anyone in the" real know ". anyone who says otherwise, has that right! nonetheless, its like the man said"two dums don't make a smart"no one will really ever know the depth and the bredth of love,respect and admiration held for PAUL by those in the "real know"! TEXT

So...Thank You Billy

[gracemer]

billyshears said:

TEXT since paul mccartney is still alive[whoever he may actually be]I doubt he will be sharing his true identity anytime soon!

as for the loss of Paul,it has and will always be of great offence to me that anyone who suspects the "truth",would actually believe that there could ever be anything less than sincere remorse and utter respect from those in the "real know" regarding a brilliant man ,musician,honourable with friends and family alike,while living his life!

Make up your mind, Billy. Is he dead, alive, or somewhere in between?

[Fwings]

I think what Billy was getting at was that while James Paul is gone, Paul McCartney is still very much alive, since he is Paul McCartney. Therefore, William Sheppard would also be " dead," in a sense.

Should I add the obligatory ?

[gracemer]

Thanks for the clarification Wings. I thought he was trying to confess.

[Perplexed]

Not confess----address. Level. And I am rather happy for it at this moment.
Bill had nothing to do with Paul's death' or the idea to make a replacement. Bill was an invited party.
Not a villain. Not an evil man-------a every man, a common man, with some talents, a longing to do better---and presented with a rare an unbelievable opportunity.
They offered him to rebuild his face and give him a life.
And he loved to sing.
And I think he has as good a pop tenor voice as many---Cetera, Sedaka, Loggins........And his career adapted to the prevailing styles (whose doesn't?)
The photos of "william" (for I don't really know) from the outtakes of "A Day in the Life" video are not of a conceited man.
I think his first impulse when asked was to blush and doubt himself.
I think he was discovered by OTHER people he had worked with who had heard him sing and liked his voice; and I think he had made his McCartney imitation known. Some police cheif at a backwater of a police station, most likely Canada, REMEMBERED and the fact made the rounds. I suspect a very near miss in discovering Bill-----I think fate, then, or God, chose Bill for a reason.Or does God have hands tied in human affairs?
Bill was a common man searching-----hungry----dreaming of music cause he loved it like many of us here love it.
With a little luck, he got the chance.
Maybe he thanks God every day, how do we know?


I really am not sure why. but, I for one, believe him.

I do think the clues, and the seeming visual metaphor of Sgt Pepper (as memorium), and even the look on Bills face in the photo with George and the kid with the soccer trophy(as PR for the Sgt Pepper album) , paint a thousand words of tribute to a tragic loss. Captured on George's and Bill's face is something hard to put into words. It says everything without any words at all.

I believe Bill deeply admired Paul.

I think he did his damned level best for the Beatles, and the young kids of the era-----I ..... I am quite grateful that he helped enable the "Beatles" to continue; to finish "the run", to publish the great balance of Paul's music, and to make possible 4 of the most artistically interesting (although eccentric) albums of the late 60's becoming a reality. (Pepper, Abbey Road, "White", MMT.)

But "Mr. Shears" must have his own run--by design I guess. The contractee must complete the contract.

Isn't that allowed? Isn't that right?

I percieve that he has done it all, as an INVITED party, in total good faith.

I don't think one should interfere. Life will play itself out, and all of us here will take our leave of this realm one day and go to meet our Maker. Bill, Paul, John, Brian, Mal, Tara, all the rest, you, and I.
We share that universally. We will answer to all the whatevers.

And Bill certainly knows this, or at least, as many folk do, suspect it at some level from religious exposure. I don't think things were ever taken lightly------lets not assume blame--------really, lets not.

Paul will have his day of recognition, one day.

and, billyshears, I personally thank you for staying on the job.

[Perplexed]

but googoo, everything is not known.

I agree that any blood shed is too much bloodshed.

i am sorry to offend you, googoo, i hate that i rubbed you the wrong way.

all is not known. why should those issues get put at bill's door? all is not known.

now I will look to some like a 'troll-traitor' in some way?

[Perplexed]

I will just say that, I think I understand what it is that causes you to feel this way.

Well, I knew Mark Chapman.(not real well, but same high school, ONE year apart.) I hate what he reportedly did at the Dakota that hideous, hideous night in 1980. I want to think he was some kind of patsy, but reports and known facts don't give that lee-way. Still.........................

[PaulBearer]

Mark Chapman was manipulated by a form of mind control i think.

As regards to Billy, the point to all this that takes away what might have otherwise almost been seen as noble was that he broke the original contract. He could've ended it at the breakup as he was supposed to but wouldn't let go of his fantasy. I think that's what hacked off the remaining Beatles so much and cost them nearly all their lives. While you might say that Billy did not directly kill all these people that have died since to keep the secret, by actually ordering their execution or having a direct hand in them, his one selfish act to keep a fantasy life that wasn't his, that one choice, has cost many lives since. He could've, and should've, ended it when he was supposed to. I'm asuming here the intelligence would've stepped back and let it be exposed; there was no real need to keep it a secret any longer. But having made that choice, it quickly reached the point of no return; too high a body count now - too much to try to justify and explain to the public why all these people had to die.

[gracemer]

I see nothing wrong with Perplexed taking a generous view of the whole situation until we have ironclad proof of the facts surrounding Paul's death and the role Billy played. That would be the appropriate time to apportion guilt.

All of the opinions on this thread thus far have merit.

[beldabeast]

Do you guys really think that was Faul ?

[gracemer]

I don't. If Faul were to write, I think he'd say something quite different.

[beldabeast]

gracemer said:

I don't. If Faul were to write, I think he'd say something quite different.

I will bet he has lurked on this board at one time or the other .
He would be foolish to post here . Im sure the palace guard are watching his computer .

BTW , I did not recieve your email about the conspiracy post

[gracemer]

If I were him I would have lurked here, that's for sure!

I'm resending the private message.

[Perplexed]

Gracemer--Second kings is a totally incredible book of scripture.

many double meanings.

Who knows, perhaps, we may have even missed Faul leaving a clue somewhere.

[Fwings]

I believe Bill has been here before... I even believe he might be a frequent lurker. If there was an infamous website out there that claimed you were an imposter, wouldn't you want to check it out?

Now, if that was Bill (doubtful), or if Bill is reading this, I'd like to say that I'm with Perplexed on this one... I can hold any grudges, because I wasn't there. What if Bill were to retire the role of Paul in 1970? I doubt EMI would give the game away to the public, as they prevented both A Doll's House (White Album) and Billy's Left Boot (Abbey Road), which was going to be the final album produced anyway. So would "Paul McCartney" just retire forever, living as a recluse with Linda and family? What if Bill felt his life would be in danger if he didn't continue the charade? The belief held by most here is that Frian was murdered, and I have no doubt they would have done the same to Faul. Therefore, Bill had to remain Paul in order to stay alive, trapping him forever and explaining his lament in "Band in the Run."

Bill seems to be a good guy. He uses his fame to speak out for animal rights, and he's an activist against landmines. Plus, I'm actually a fan of much of his music (I'm listening to Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey right now, in fact). I don't believe he's ever ordered "a hit", and he's probably as apalled as anyone here that it may have come to that. Personally, I don't want to ruin his life. All I want is for the truth to come out. I believe there's room in this world for five Beatles. I believe there's room in music collections for James Paul McCartney and William Sheppard, individual artists.

Heck, I even liked "Silly Love Songs." So sue me.

[MMCDHoward]

Sorry man, but bill checking this place out doesn't seem likely. If we go by your theory, he wants out, so if a website tries to make that happen, then he would support it. If he doesn't, then why would he come to a little website like this? Its got less than 500 members! Its not in any way infamous as you claim. I doubt he would waste his time.

[TTTM]

-Wings- said:

Bill seems to be a good guy. He uses his fame to speak out for animal rights, and he's an activist against landmines. Plus, I'm actually a fan of much of his music (I'm listening to Uncle Albert/Admiral Halsey right now, in fact). I don't believe he's ever ordered "a hit", and he's probably as apalled as anyone here that it may have come to that. Personally, I don't want to ruin his life. All I want is for the truth to come out.

I agree. I wish certian people here would stop looking at Bill as such a bad person. And his music is great also. I recommend getting his first 2 solo albums: McCartney & Ram.

[Perplexed]

Well, most likely he wouldn't waste his time. And we don't have any idea what Bill really thinks.

But just maybe---as I said, just maybe.

I think if he did, the idea could only live in the land of "maybe" and "possibly."

It could never be a "for real".

But if it were only, "just perhaps", then he might have slipped past and left a word or two when we weren't looking. And of course it would be untraceable, or traceable only to a IP address that would appear in no way linkable to himself.

So we could never say for sure.

So many things, we will settle in our own minds.

[gracemer]

Perplexed said:

Gracemer--Second kings is a totally incredible book of scripture.
...
Who knows, perhaps, we may have even missed Faul leaving a clue somewhere.

Perplexed, you called Second Samuel "Second Kings." You know your stuff! Very pleased.

The man who was so concerned with own safety that he wouldn't attend John's funeral would probably post from a public library computer. Could be something to look at for those who are able to tell.