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Post by Perplexed on Sept 15, 2003 3:44:36 GMT
Maybe I am seeing things............
At the top of the example, between the palm fronds, is there imbedded in the blue, a big round face with teeth showing?
The girl with the red and yellow striped hat; is there a face imbedded in her neck?
Between the implied shiny lame dresses of the mirrored starlet, is there a man's torso created by the space in between? Is it cut off at the knee? Is there no head?
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Post by Forum Manager on Sept 15, 2003 7:21:50 GMT
i also noticed the torso
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Post by MotherNaureSon on Sept 15, 2003 9:47:09 GMT
John, Ringo and George carry a brass instrument (A golden one, if you prefer). Faul holds a clarinet, wich is a wooded one. In front of the sad wax figures there is a tube, another brass instrument on the floor.
I think that is the instrument Paul should be carrying if he was alive. Golden as the other three's.
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Sept 15, 2003 11:58:18 GMT
sun king - remember, when sgt peper came out, they thought it was the rolling stones who did it. they knew nothing of the kkk yet. This is erronious; remember the time line. The media and public did not stumble upon any clues nor rumors of PID until mid-1969. Sgt. Pepper was released on June 1, 1967. Nobody had any inkling of anything amiss in Beatle-land at that time...
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Sept 15, 2003 22:16:11 GMT
OK, I get it--- "they" being the band, not the public. Cool.
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Post by SunKing on Sept 15, 2003 22:24:22 GMT
sun king - remember, when sgt peper came out, they thought it was the rolling stones who did it. they knew nothing of the kkk yet. Nothing for sure but certainly the suspect...after that 1966 summer of fire...
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Post by Forum Manager on Sept 16, 2003 2:34:36 GMT
OK, I get it--- "they" being the band, not the public. Cool. now you got it!
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Post by Perplexed on Sept 16, 2003 3:18:57 GMT
Oh, BTW, Mother Nature;s son, not to be rude, but------ 'cause most folks don't really think about the symphony orchestra too much these days, but------- the instrument Paul is holding is an English Horn. It is longer than either an oboe or a clarinet. It is a double reed instrument like the oboe, and therefore related and similar in sound. It is pitched one fourth lower than the oboe and consequently has a darker, more mysterious sound, less piercing than, at times, the oboe. (no offense oboeists!) It is known in French as the cor anglais, or literally, "horn English." This is a misnomer as is English horn, as the instrument's origin isn't English in particular. The original name was "angled horn," because of the bend in the small tube just above the main body of the instrument. Someone mistranslated it at some point...........It has a small bell-like appendage at the bottom end of the instrument. There is a certain music from the "William Tell Overture"'s middle section that most peopl have heard, it is typically used to denote "morning", and the sun coming up. I remember it from a breakfast cereal commercial in the 70's. La----------------la-la-la-la-la- LA----------------------la-la-la-la-la-LA
etc............
I saw where George Martin recieved degrees in composition or orchestration and also in performance on the English Horn. Perhaps his horn was there at the photo shoot that day..........
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Post by googoo on Sept 16, 2003 3:52:21 GMT
This is a misnomer as is English horn, as the instrument's origin isn't English in particular. Just like the "Paul" who is holding it isn't English in particular;)
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Post by Forum Manager on Sept 16, 2003 4:40:52 GMT
ANOTHER CLUE!!! ;D
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Post by MotherNaureSon on Sept 16, 2003 7:23:32 GMT
Thanks, Perplexed. In fact, I know how an English Horn sounds, but I didn't know it looked like that. Since you know so well how it looks usually, one question: Is that hook in the top of it normal? I thouht that it was a way to say that it all is a "hookup"
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Post by MotherNaureSon on Sept 16, 2003 7:37:59 GMT
By the way. I guess you must know this already, but...
Somewhere in the early 1967, before "Sgt Pepper's" came out, Brian (or Frian) was worried about publishing the album with the cover the boys wanted. He tried so hard to avoid it, and even, before he took a plane to America, he said to his secretary that in case that anything happened to him, the album should be sold with a simple brown paper cover. Maybe he was afraid that the cover was too evident.
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Post by SunKing on Sept 16, 2003 7:41:02 GMT
By the way. I guess you must know this already, but... Somewhere in the early 1967, before "Sgt Pepper's" came out, Brian (or Frian) was worried about publishing the album with the cover the boys wanted. He tried so hard to avoid it, and even, before he took a plane to America, he said to his secretary that in case that anything happened to him, the album should be sold with a simple brown paper cover. Maybe he was afraid that the cover was too evident. Interesting.
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Post by Perplexed on Sept 16, 2003 9:53:21 GMT
Well, about the English Horn, yes the "angle", from which the name really comes, is necessary to keep playing it too cumbersome. The body of the instrument is a bit longer than the oboe. Although I think the fingerings are very similar, the additional length makes it ungainly to hold in the mouth and finger at the same time. I think the angle keeps the neck from straining forward when playing. So the reed hits your mouth at an angle; whereas the oboe redd is straight down into the oboe.........
And yes, as I study the Sgt. Pepper cover, I find it to be the busiest, most roccocco patchwork I have ever seen on an album. This is the mother of busy cover art!
Well, there are, if they are clues, SO MANY clues that, you know, the record complany could say to any plaintiff or magistrate later:" See, we told them. Its all over the album! Only a moron would miss this, so they can't say they didn't know!"
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Post by MotherNaureSon on Sept 16, 2003 10:35:03 GMT
I've seen many lists of "Who's who" from the people in the cover, but none f them complete. Do we know the names of all of them? I always thought that if they wanted to hide lots of clues, the crowd behind should be holding a big one.
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Post by MotherNaureSon on Sept 16, 2003 10:40:53 GMT
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Post by LUCY on Sept 16, 2003 11:54:23 GMT
What about the bust of the guy? In the original sketches, he is an original prop. who is he? lewis carrol? How would he look in a black hat?
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Post by LUCY on Sept 16, 2003 13:53:09 GMT
I was joking about the black hat. Just wondering if the two were related in some way. The bust is considered a key element in the initial design for the album artwork. its in the original sketch.
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Sept 16, 2003 21:33:41 GMT
Good eye, Lucy; excellent observation. Yep, they went overboard with the intricate clues on 'Pepper,' and the Magical Mystery Tour cover had just as many;
On the MMT front cover, the word 'Beatles' is spelled out in yellow stars. One of the clues was, if you held the album up in a mirror, which would reverse the image, it would reveal a telephone number.
The legend went that the first person to figure it out and call up would hear a message, and if I recall the message was 'wednesday morning at 5 o'clock' and it only worked ONCE; after the first caller the number was disconnected. Also, along the lines of Paul height photos, for every one we can find of Faul towering over Beatles, they have another one touched-up with him being the same height as Paul...it can be frustrating.
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Post by JakesBrie on Sept 17, 2003 23:45:39 GMT
"On the MMT front cover, the word 'Beatles' is spelled out in yellow stars. One of the clues was, if you held the album up in a mirror, which would reverse the image, it would reveal a telephone number.
The legend went that the first person to figure it out and call up would hear a message, and if I recall the message was 'wednesday morning at 5 o'clock' and it only worked ONCE; after the first caller the number was disconnected. " (sorry can't figure out how to quote)
In 1969 when the clues first started, it was said the telephone message one would hear was "You are on the right track."
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Post by Forum Manager on Sept 18, 2003 1:23:54 GMT
i also heard it said "beware of abbey road"
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Post by SunKing on Sept 18, 2003 8:28:51 GMT
I was joking about the black hat. Just wondering if the two were related in some way. The bust is considered a key element in the initial design for the album artwork. its in the original sketch. ...that bust...
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Post by Perplexed on Sept 18, 2003 8:56:49 GMT
Well, OK so as I thought on another post, that bust to the right of Lennon (his right) is not Teddy Roosevelt. Well, the busts are just a reminder that man has the power to fashion a human likeness in his own image---from rock. It looks like either Ringo or Paul? might have been wearing the black hat, got tired of it, and just stuck it in the woman's bust in front just to be funny..........
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Post by Eggman on Sept 18, 2003 12:15:36 GMT
For me it looks like some Sgt I know..... Maybe Sgt Sheppard?
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Post by SunKing on Sept 18, 2003 12:34:05 GMT
or it belongs (the bust) to "William Sheppard, Cromwell's Law Reformer"...
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