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Post by goldberry on May 29, 2005 13:10:46 GMT
ahhh... help me out here, so your claiming that the guy at the back of the bus is Bill? So who is Paul?
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Post by madtitan125 on May 29, 2005 15:25:21 GMT
The guy at the back of the bus is Billy / Faul.
Compare the pic of the undisguised Bill at the back of the bus with the pic of "Paul" on the bus.
"Paul" is wearing a sweater, but it sure looks like they are wearing the SAME SHIRT to me!
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Post by goldberry on May 29, 2005 15:31:35 GMT
ok so Bill/Faul is at the back of the bus, looking like he did pre-surgery I'm guessing? And Bill/Faul is at the front of the bus looking post-surgery.. huh?
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Post by Red Lion on May 29, 2005 17:23:32 GMT
There isnt a single feature that bears a mild resemblance, let alone a match, on this fade.
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Post by Forum Manager on May 29, 2005 19:23:26 GMT
To be said: Bill shot on Magical Mystery Tour Bus is very blurred and the camera angle (or head orientation) is not the same.
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Post by goldberry on May 29, 2005 23:12:32 GMT
There isnt a single feature that bears a mild resemblance, let alone a match, on this fade. agreed!
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Post by BeatlePaul on May 30, 2005 7:56:17 GMT
This is the reference. The rest is talking about a wrong compiled comparison. Advise 1: I will erase fake comparisons.
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Post by goldberry on May 30, 2005 11:23:39 GMT
Obviously your claiming the shots of Bill were shot on the bus before he had surgery?!
He's can't be Bill .. not even drastic surgery could make him Bill!
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Post by ReallyReallyDead on May 30, 2005 11:34:46 GMT
no, just without makeup.
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Post by BeatlePaul on May 30, 2005 12:47:01 GMT
Obviously your claiming the shots of Bill were shot on the bus before he had surgery?! He's can't be Bill .. not even drastic surgery could make him Bill! Everything ALREADY well explained here. E.g. look at this thread: 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=Essential&thread=1113812234&page=1After the liposculpture/liposuction operation he needed DAILY filler injections (and make-up) to be Faux-Paul. Without them and without make-up (wig and so) Bill's look was exactly that one:
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Post by goldberry on May 30, 2005 13:12:49 GMT
There is no explanation on that thread! All the make-up in the world ain't gonna turn that guy on the bus into Bill.
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Post by ReallyReallyDead on May 30, 2005 15:38:15 GMT
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Post by goldberry on May 30, 2005 15:51:47 GMT
nope sorry... cannot see a resemblance.. I am a make-up artist, so i can shed some light on any questions you want answers to. But as i said.. all the make-up in the world cannot make that man look like Faul. The amount of outdoor photo's of Faul are in abundance, his skin texture is evidence that there is no major prosthetic pieces attached to his nose or ears, or any heavy contouring done. Make-up can work wonders.. but what your suggesting, would not look natural in natural light, or in B&W pictures. IMO Faul was a look-alike who had a few minor tweaks done, the pictures pre and post 67 pretty much show how different they are.
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Post by goldberry on May 31, 2005 1:09:03 GMT
your kidding right? give it up.. there isn't even a remote possibility!
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Post by BeatlePaul on May 31, 2005 1:31:39 GMT
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Post by LovelyJulia on May 31, 2005 1:50:03 GMT
Sorry to bring down such a spirited fellow Paul Is Dead believer, but nothing matches up on any of that. Not only does the man on the bus not resemble Faul, but nothing matches. The ears never match, the nose always changes shape drastically, the eyes just don't look the same, and your fades aren't even fades, they're just two screens going really fast, and it's confusing that way . The man on that bus is a man on the MMT bus, nothing more and nothing less, because if he was Faul, there was no point in shooting him on the back of the bus in the first place how many of these do you need? ;D
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Post by goldberry on May 31, 2005 1:59:40 GMT
I don't get the point.... that's extreme cosmetic surgery.. not make-up! You were trying to tell me that's Bill without his make-up and wig I think you are forgetting the fact that is what the 60's! Even with extreme cosmetic surgery.. there is no way you could make that man into Paul... no possible way!
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Post by madtitan125 on May 31, 2005 3:12:13 GMT
That's it, Goldberry. And talk about brazen...............
Undisguised Faul at the back of the bus is even wearing the same shirt as "Paul" in his seat.
"Paul" has his shirt covered with a sweater, but it looks like the same shirt (and the same guy!) to me.
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Post by defhermit on May 31, 2005 4:57:58 GMT
Gold, if you're gonna put the brakes on for EVERYthing, there's little point to hanging out here... here is a place to put forward these theories, not shoot every one down. Of course everything we are saying here is easy to shoot down, that's why we are quick to complain about those who do, like you, and me on occasion.
I have to say that "that guy on the back of the MMT bus" has always, TO ME, been the only replacement pic that I have been able to possibly see as genuine, looking... not Vivian Stanshall, not Denny Laine, but that guy... not saying it's definitely him or anythin, but I can see Faul's face in that guy. It must be noted that I've never picked out the guy while watching that movie to see if maybe he only looks like him in that one frame or something.
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Post by goldberry on May 31, 2005 6:56:38 GMT
I'm sorry if my responses aren't "i agree".. Everyone else here seems to be able to voice there opinion, that's been quite clear, but just because I disagree shouldn't mean I can't be vocal about it. Should I stay out of the posts I don't agree with then?.. would that please you?
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Post by BeatlePaul on May 31, 2005 9:14:34 GMT
the nose always changes shape drastically,... YES! Along the years Faul's nose changed drastically and this is just another proof. Billy was NOT a "natural" lookalike. He was a good vocal imitator.
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Post by Red Lion on May 31, 2005 9:28:31 GMT
Should I stay out of the posts I don't agree with then?.. would that please you? Hell no. With personal opinions and wild tabloid-like theories running rampant, its nice to see a voice of reason that acknowledges and supports PID.
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Post by BeatlePaul on May 31, 2005 9:47:32 GMT
Should I stay out of the posts I don't agree with then?.. would that please you? Hell no. With personal opinions and wild tabloid-like theories running rampant, its nice to see a voice of reason that acknowledges and supports PID. Right. For instance your behaviour here is VERY different from that of Goldberry. Red Lion, in the past you helped so much the investigation and so you are always welcome here. I know your problem is just that you are still thinking -and wishing- that Bill was a "natural" lookalike. Here Bill as Vivian and Bill as Paul Yes there was a "basic" resemblance but to "perform" the BEST result he needed liposculpture. Liposculpture procedure removes all the fat from the face and then it is reinjected in the proper places with the proper quantity. But the fat or filler injected lasts so few time. All the rest is nasal and orbit bones plastic surgery.
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Post by madtitan125 on May 31, 2005 11:16:48 GMT
I would agree, BeatlePaul. The eye sockets and nostrils appear to line up. Once the eyes and nostrils are lined up, the mouth is also in the identical position.
That's what really matters. Not that Faul has many features, prior to surgery, that match James Paul.
Forensically speaking, the eye sockets and nostril holes should be in the same place, and they are.
Just re-examine the pix and you'll see they line up perfectly.
Looks like some of us haven't seen the fade and/or photo comparison between Vivian Stanshall (with glasses) and Faul (Penny Lane videoclip).
Now talk about a PERFECT MATCH!!!
When I saw THAT fade, I thought we should put that at the very top of the home page.
Bill as Vivian, and Bill as ''Paul.''
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Post by BeatlePaul on May 31, 2005 12:44:38 GMT
Looks like some of us haven't seen the fade and/or photo comparison between Vivian Stanshall (with glasses) and Faul (Penny Lane videoclip). Now talk about a PERFECT MATCH!!! When I saw THAT fade, I thought we should put that at the very top of the home page. Bill as Vivian, and Bill as ''Paul.'' You mean... those ones? Well the state of the art of the investigantion now tells that Paul Raymond and Vivian Stanshall exchanged their "roles". So Paul Raymond (alias Geoffrey Adrian Sheppard - Billy Shepherd) after taking the role of Vivian became Faux-Paul too. Vivian Stanshall took the name and the role of Paul Raymond: So when the Beatles stated after September 1966 about Paul they were not lying: they just omitted "Raymond". E.g. When they told: Magical Mystery Tour was an idea of Paul they just omitted "Raymond". And when it was asked "Is Paul Dead?" They replied that it was a brunch of old BS BECAUSE they were referring to Paul Raymond that was still living... Yes PIA! Paul (Raymond) Is ALive! Now I think we know enough.
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