Maacc
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Post by Maacc on Oct 13, 2005 13:35:30 GMT
I didn't see that coming either. What did SMA do? I've seen worse posts...
RE Yoko - if she really did love ol' JL, surely she'd have taken one for the team? I've always had my problems with that woman.
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Post by defhermit on Oct 13, 2005 14:40:47 GMT
the fact that she didn't take a bullet for JL doesn't prove that she had it in for him... I'm not saying I believe the official story of John's assasination, but cmon... "if she really did love ol' JL, surely she'd have taken one for the team?".... puhlease... chapman could have shot before she ever would have had a chance to scream let alone get between john and the gun...
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Post by plastic paul on Oct 13, 2005 16:27:47 GMT
Yeh why didn't she see MDC coming and dive across john yelling NOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
As if!
Like def says the official story is sketchy to say the least but i don't think his issues were with yoko.
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Post by helterskelter on Oct 13, 2005 18:07:53 GMT
Yeah, I wasn't really expecting SMA to get banned either, but I was sort of suspicious that johnny and SMA were the same person.
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Post by Maacc on Oct 14, 2005 9:41:03 GMT
Re Yoko - I was joking. I could maybe have used a smiley, but I used Quick Reply - on account of being lazy.
Anyway, SMA had posted more than anyone else on the forum, a fair percentage of it was nuts, and it's probably for her own good that she can't post here now. Still, must have come as a bit of a shock all the same.
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Post by TPIMaster on Oct 14, 2005 15:46:59 GMT
SMA banned? Well that's just silly. I liked SMA. The johnny thing was a bit annoying but banning SMA is just crazy. This forum is losing it's good old users. SMA, PaulBearer, all the other old members, who's next? I'm beginning to lose faith in this forum. And I'm beginning to disagree more and more. I'm still a PIDer but I'm not believing all those "possible candidates". Neil Aspinall? Come on! You can see that they don't match! Even more as they get older. BTW, mellowyellow: www.jfkmontreal.com/john_lennon/Death_Cert.htmJohn's death certificate.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Oct 14, 2005 16:46:20 GMT
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Oct 14, 2005 17:36:34 GMT
SMA, PaulBearer, all the other old members, who's next? You are not well "informed". Paulbearer is still posting here and I suppose SMA too both under different names. Well, maybe Paulbearer is, but I don't believe SMA is, as of yesterday. I don't know why she was kicked out, but she probably deserves a second chance.
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Post by helterskelter on Oct 14, 2005 23:50:10 GMT
I'm with TPIMaster, some of the things on this forum are getting to be really crazy. Actually, I was on another forum about the Beatles, this one was for people who were fans of The Beatles and stuff like that. Anyway someone started a Paul is Dead thread and people were talking about the clues and stuff. Someone posted the URL to this website, and people were talking about 60IF and stuff. But most of them were saying things like "whoa can you believe the crazy things these weirdos come up with?" Like the man at the piano from the White Album poster, for example. They think we're all nuts because that's obviously George Martin and they think we're totally insane for thinking that it's a picture of the "imposter". It's just that some of the things on this forum are getting to be waaay out there, you know what I mean? But, that's just my opinion. And besides, what do I know?
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Post by joejoe on Oct 15, 2005 3:08:15 GMT
SMA is right about Yoko. She used heroin as the means to get control over John. Yoko has been called a lot worse than ugly, and rightly so.
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Post by emuri99 on Oct 15, 2005 3:45:20 GMT
SMA is right about Yoko. She used heroin as the means to get control over John. Yoko has been called a lot worse than ugly, and rightly so. SMA had some extremely informative postings. I would miss them.
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Post by gracemer on Oct 15, 2005 4:00:55 GMT
SMA didn't even get the courtesy of a warning--every single other poster who was ever banned got a warning as far as I know. This was totally unnecessary and mean-spirited.
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Post by melloyellow on Oct 15, 2005 20:55:36 GMT
Man, does that not say something? This makes me so mad because it makes no sense, I want you all to look at that picture and then read the New York Times timeline of events : …Mr. Lennon and Yoko Ono left their car (1), while the assailant (2) waited inside the arch. As they walked by (3), he fired. Mr. Lennon staggered up into a room (4) where he fell, fatally wounded. You may be saying "whats the big deal", the big deal is, look at how far he staggered! I mean from point 3 to point 4 is a pretty long ways, where the hell was yoko? How does she just stand there and let john stagger around helplessly.......... Man this makes me mad, and the sad part is that no one knows the answer 100% except for yoko herself........ Therefore we will never get any closure to this case......
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Post by helterskelter on Oct 15, 2005 22:32:10 GMT
Okay so I read melloyellows post, and now I have absolutely no idea what to think. About anything, pretty much. I used to think you guys were all nuts (sorry!) and that you were being totally unfair to Yoko in all this, but now I looked at the map thingy that mello posted and now I just don't know what to think! I want to believe she's innocent in John's death. I don't know why. Maybe it's because I don't want to admit that this world really is more evil than you can imagine. But mello, you've got a point! Oh and BTW joejoe I don't want to sound rude, but who cares if she's ugly? I don't even think that shes ugly. It's just stupid to say that. You can't control how you look. (And I agree what everyone is saying here. I think SMA does deserve another chance)
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Post by plastic paul on Oct 15, 2005 22:51:42 GMT
Yes HS i pretty much agree with everything you said there, however she and john probably tried to scarper to safety little realising that MDC had (in his head) fulfilled his purpose, but yeh there are a LOT of unanswered questions that will remain unanswered most likely.
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Oct 16, 2005 17:23:51 GMT
From point 3 to 4 is about 60 feet at most, in my best estimate. Doesn't seem too unrealistic that John might have traveled that distance to get to safety, imo.
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Post by TotalInformation on Oct 16, 2005 19:05:43 GMT
The Lennon assassination was a high-level op; Chapman the brainwashed patsy. There had to be another triggerman there as MDC's psychosis was such that his success was unsure. The real triggerman was almost certainly the doorman, Perdomo... and I will have an interesting story on him up at my site soon.
As for Yoko, she certainly knew it was coming down fast. She certainly didn't interfere in what happened. Is it *possible* she actually got off a shot herself? Sure. We just don't know.
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Post by emuri99 on Oct 16, 2005 23:03:36 GMT
Hmmmm. I saw a documentary on Chapman a couple of years ago. He was one messed-up dude. But I understood them to say that Yoko was still in the process of walking from the limo and John was walking toward Chapman as he had met him earlier that evening and gave him his autograph. And after being shot the first time, he tried to run and was shot twice more(?) I think.
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Post by Maacc on Oct 17, 2005 20:46:00 GMT
That's what I remember hearing too. I'm not a big Yoko fan, but I think it's a bit much to pin this on her. Most people would be totally lost witnessing something like that if it involved their partners, and if Lennon ran/staggered to the building, she possibly caught up and supported him as he went there. I seem to remember police saying that she went crazy later that night, and then insisted to medical staff that JL was sleeping and would wake up. Ok, so it could have been act, but why bother - it wasn't like anyone suspected her, and accusers would (and have been) dismissed as woo woos.
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Post by andrewexelor on Oct 20, 2005 19:53:51 GMT
Oh please! Would you grow up SMA? "Her looks would scare a scarecrow"?? Do you think that's funny?! Do you have any idea what it's like to be called ugly? I do, and I can tell you, it really hurts. Please don't go around saying these stupid and childish comments. It's just so juvenile, so grow up and stop acting your shoe size. Thats the most one-sided thing ive ever heard, and she IS ugly.
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Post by helterskelter on Oct 20, 2005 20:21:20 GMT
Whoa, what's that supposed to mean? And okay you can think she's ugly. You can all bash her all you want. I was just trying to defend her okay?! And andrew, that's just YOUR OPINION. Fine, you can think she's ugly. I think it's pretty mean to say that, but whatever. It's not her fault she looks to way she does. I mean, you should see me. I have a big nose and ugly hair and my eyes are way too far apart and my jawline is just plain weird. Do you think that I want to look so odd? No, I'd rather look even vaugely normal. But I didn't choose to look the way I did, it's just how I turned out. *sigh* Okay I know I'm rambling here, it's just that I don't think you should judge people on the way they looked. It's really unfair.
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Post by defhermit on Oct 20, 2005 21:09:58 GMT
Oh please! Would you grow up SMA? "Her looks would scare a scarecrow"?? Do you think that's funny?! Do you have any idea what it's like to be called ugly? I do, and I can tell you, it really hurts. Please don't go around saying these stupid and childish comments. It's just so juvenile, so grow up and stop acting your shoe size. Thats the most one-sided thing ive ever heard, and she IS ugly. The thing you quoted is the most one-sided thing you've ever heard? So, what's the other side that we are missing? Does Yoko go on message boards and call SMA names? I had no idea there was a side to this "argument" like that that I was missing. Ugliness is an opinion. While she's not the most attractive woman in the world, if I had been John's age in the 60's and 70's, I would have hit it back then. Just being honest. She's not a babe but she certainly wasn't a pig by any standard.
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Post by plastic paul on Oct 20, 2005 23:25:05 GMT
Thanks def, you wrote it so i don't have to!
Plus, are people forgetting that love isn't about what people look like....
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Post by rbrnmw on Mar 10, 2008 1:47:25 GMT
SMA is right about Yoko. She used heroin as the means to get control over John. Yoko has been called a lot worse than ugly, and rightly so. That being said maybe the other 3 beatles were uncomfortable around her and may not liked her but She did love John and he loved her I am sure my problem with her was the way she has treated Julian, and the way they BOTH dismissed him while John Lennon was alive No Yoko didn't and wouldn't kill or have ?John killed He was killed by a highly delusional person who should have been in a hospital for his illness
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