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Post by Bluemagicwoman on Jul 9, 2008 23:22:01 GMT
Hello,I've found this Shirley's photo, the same used for Sgt.'s cover. I've noticed 2 things: -in the cover her image is lightly deformed, for sure shorter then the original; -in the cover she seems to hold some kind of object in her right hand, not existing in the real one...and also her hand, in the cover it apparently has become smth different. What do you think? Is she holding a kind of curious bag? Seems the hand now a sort of key?
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Post by Bluemagicwoman on Jul 11, 2008 0:15:22 GMT
Also note she's the only person of the cover to be present 3 times: -figure nr.58, behind the Beatles waxes -figure nr. 71, shown above - figure nr. 73, as the Welcome the Rolling Stones doll Why?
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Post by Bluemagicwoman on Jul 11, 2008 0:35:31 GMT
Here she's with her stand-in... I give only a personal impression: when I was a child the whole Shirley's movies serie went out day after day on tv, and of course I started to look at them and quite appreciated them, since I was so young...and movie after movie of course she was growing, becoming older and so lightly different, like it's normal to happen...but after a certain point I started to notice a difference in her face, a something for me not easy to define, but it's sure that I found her no more the same at the point that this started to irritate me and I stopped to look at her movies from that moment...now, thinking again, looking at other her pics and reading smth about her life...it could be that she has been replaced... ?? Her birth certificate was altered by Fox Studios to make her appear younger to the public: she was quite six and they told she was 4...but she knew this only when she was 13, at her "12th" birthday party. So she declared: "Yesterday I was 11 and today I'm 13. What happened to 12? That proves the fortune teller was wrong...she said I would lose both parents in an accident in my twelfth year.But that can't happen, because there is no twelfth year" Another curious fact is that she did not obtain the role in the film Wizard of Oz, for not clear reasons...maybe she was "too expensive" but rumours said it was for smth about her singing...
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Post by Bluemagicwoman on Jul 12, 2008 17:10:38 GMT
Does anybody know who is this man on the cover but not appearing in the list of the Sgt.'s people/objects? And also: who are this two persons visible in the alternate cover? (profile man and blond girl) What is the object (see arrow)? Whose the head behind the waxes?
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Post by LUCY on Jul 13, 2008 4:04:18 GMT
I adjusted these a little to see: a strange puppet? or a light?
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Post by Bluemagicwoman on Jul 14, 2008 16:50:58 GMT
Thank you Lucy...the more I look at that detail the more I'm sure to see : A KEY, instead of the hand...and a kind of BAG... However, I think all the cover hides many..."strange" elements... I started to look with attention at it about 10 years ago, together with the Beatles in general, and also White Album poster in particular...the weird things about this all are a lot, but it is fore me like an endless puzzle with changing perspectives... and macabre insights...
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Post by Bluemagicwoman on Jul 14, 2008 17:17:54 GMT
I've found on the net infos about excluded persons: near Leo Gorcey and Ghandi, also Hitler and Jesus Christ, and this is known fact, but also: -Judy Garland (?) -Elvis (?), removed at least minute before the shots, for not known reasons -German Valdes "Tin Tan", (?)removed on Ringo's request Have you ever heard about this?
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Post by Bluemagicwoman on Jul 15, 2008 14:11:05 GMT
Now I ask your opinion... This is Sgt.'s cover nr.12* Leo Gorcey,..."painted out because he requested a fee"... Since I did'nt know him from movies, I searched on the net infos and images about him...yes, he could be nr.12 of Sgt., but from the beginning he's always seemed to me James Dean like... So, for curiosity, I've done this experiment: I've taken 2 pics, one of Gorcey, one of Dean and then simply rotated them to resemble nr.12 position (for the Gorcey's one I've also cut out the background)...What do you think? Probably they just belong to a similar typology... And, in the neighbourhood, I've seen a not clear element, I'll show it to you, even if probably it's not important at all: what is the light pink area behind Varga's girl nr.11? (near Gorcey)...
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Post by LUCY on Jul 16, 2008 3:44:06 GMT
- judy and the devil hand sign German Valdes "Tin Tan", (?)removed on Ringo's requestand replaced by the mexican candlestick. I think Ringo is on record for taking mushroom trips in mexico around that time.
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Post by LUCY on Jul 16, 2008 4:20:47 GMT
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Post by lovelyrita on Jul 29, 2008 12:33:29 GMT
Pardon me for probably sounding like a total idiot, but can someone explain to me why the Shirley doll is wearing a blood covered "Welcome the Rolling Stones" sweater and what the Rolling Stones have to do with anything?
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Post by georgekush on Jul 31, 2008 8:11:37 GMT
has to do with egypt, and the beetles who push the balls of dung to cause a rolling stone. check out my thread in the paul forum.
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Post by lovelyrita on Aug 1, 2008 21:00:13 GMT
Anybody have a better answer than georgekush? I'm looking for a SERIOUS answer.
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Post by TheMaster on Aug 26, 2008 22:24:23 GMT
I'd just like to share a dream i had last year... In the dream my wife held up a copy of the sergeant pepper's album that she had bought for me. She said "it comes with it's very own Nunu." I wondered what a Nunu was and i moved closer to inspect the album. At this point a little orb of light floated out of the album and flew inside my body. Then i woke up. After waking, I looked on the internet to find out what a Nunu was. Sure enough, it is a little gnome-like spirit. I read somewhere (might have been this forum) that the little figure next to shirley is a garden gnome painted black. There is, of course, another garden gnome on the album cover as well. Didnt Mark David Chapman talk to figments of his imagination that he called 'the little people'? If memory serves me correctly, according to Chapman, the little people lived behind the walls and in between the floorboards of his house.
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Post by LUCY on Aug 27, 2008 15:51:38 GMT
I'd just like to share a dream i had last year... In the dream my wife held up a copy of the sergeant pepper's album that she had bought for me. She said "it comes with it's very own Nunu." I wondered what a Nunu was and i moved closer to inspect the album. At this point a little orb of light floated out of the album and flew inside my body. Then i woke up. After waking, I looked on the internet to find out what a Nunu was. Sure enough, it is a little gnome-like spirit. that's definitely not a definition I found, TM........maybe your wife was trying to say something else......lol
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Post by TheMaster on Aug 27, 2008 16:12:26 GMT
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Post by LUCY on Aug 27, 2008 16:45:29 GMT
so glad you cleared that up! I don't tend to believe fairytales in a literal sense though, although they are useful models to convey deeper meanings. Meaning, really, insight into basic human nature. Chapman's "experience" of little people in the "walls" may (and I'll give a little may not) have been a manifestation of a projected inner stuggle of his psyche. In Egyptian mythology, Nu was sometimes represented by a sacred lake, or, as at Abydos, by an underground stream. Nu is depicted with upraised arms holding a "solar bark" (or barque, a boat). The boat is occupied by eight deities, with the scarab deity Khepri standing in the middle surrounded by the seven other deities. In Egyptian mythology, Khepri (also spelt Khepera, Kheper, Chepri, Khepra) is the name of a major god. Khepri is associated with the dung beetle (kheper), whose behavior of maintaining spherical balls of dung represents the forces which move the sun. Khepri gradually came to be considered as an embodiment of the sun itself, and therefore was a solar deity. To explain where the sun goes at night, such pushing was extended to the underworld, Khepri's pushing of the sun being ceaseless. Since the scarab beetle lays its eggs in the bodies of various dead animals, including other scarabs, and in dung, from which they emerge having been born, the ancient Egyptians believed that scarab beetles were created from dead matter. Because of this, they also associated the Khepri with rebirth, renewal, and resurrection. Indeed, his name (kheper in Egyptian) means to come into being. As a result of this, when the rival cult of the sun-god Ra gained significance, Khepri was identified as the aspect of Ra which constitutes only the dawning sun (i.e the sun when it comes into being). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khepri
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Post by TheMaster on Aug 28, 2008 0:07:58 GMT
It's interesting that, just as tales of leprechauns come from ireland, the tales of Nunus come from Africa.
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Post by LUCY on Aug 28, 2008 3:29:29 GMT
bears a repeat here: has to do with egypt, and the beetles who push the balls of dung to cause a rolling stone. check out my thread in the paul forum. more, later.......
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Post by LUCY on Aug 28, 2008 5:21:41 GMT
Pardon me for probably sounding like a total idiot, but can someone explain to me why the Shirley doll is wearing a blood covered "Welcome the Rolling Stones" sweater and what the Rolling Stones have to do with anything? 7 levels ahoy one god, surrounded by 7 deities one ball of dung lol
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Post by LUCY on Aug 28, 2008 6:09:21 GMT
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Post by LUCY on Aug 28, 2008 14:05:05 GMT
7 rows how many rows here?
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Post by TheMaster on Aug 28, 2008 18:34:55 GMT
Ive never seen this Darkhorse cover before. The reason i started studying Pepper ten years ago was because i had an experience with #27 on the album cover, Mahavatar Babaji, he stands in the very center of the crowd. That figure has been my focus. When i saw the darkhorse cover I immediately noticed the man standing in the middle of the crowd where Babaji should be (but is not). Then i looked up in the sky. There he is. I also notice that one kid is blue. Of course, the hindu gods are often seen with blue skin. (It's probably a meaningless coincidence but... "In Ancient Egyptian art, Nun also appears as a bearded man, with blue-green skin." Im not sure, but that blue kid might be George. It might be an old class picture that has been doctored. The guy in the middle might be the schoolmaster. (I hope its not crowley...cause thatd be too creepy) Or...it might not be george at all. Sorry, im just thinking outloud here. here's a pretty common of babaji...
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Post by LUCY on Aug 30, 2008 23:08:26 GMT
Ive never seen this Darkhorse cover before. The reason i started studying Pepper ten years ago was because i had an experience with #27 on the album cover, Mahavatar Babaji, he stands in the very center of the crowd. That figure has been my focus. When i saw the darkhorse cover I immediately noticed the man standing in the middle of the crowd where Babaji should be (but is not). Then i looked up in the sky. There he is. I also notice that one kid is blue. Of course, the hindu gods are often seen with blue skin. (It's probably a meaningless coincidence but... "In Ancient Egyptian art, Nun also appears as a bearded man, with blue-green skin." Im not sure, but that blue kid might be George. It might be an old class picture that has been doctored. The guy in the middle might be the schoolmaster. (I hope its not crowley...cause thatd be too creepy) Or...it might not be george at all. Sorry, im just thinking outloud here. here's a pretty common of babaji... tM can you expalain his teaching about the wave thing? and what is this? all these images of late feature a light and figure at the top over a number of levels. Except pepper, where the space is blank.
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Post by LUCY on Aug 31, 2008 0:36:52 GMT
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