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Post by georgekush on Aug 2, 2008 6:20:20 GMT
Good eye, double cross.
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Post by LUCY on Aug 2, 2008 6:25:56 GMT
RING-O Starr-key
from B & W to techicolor
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Post by georgekush on Aug 2, 2008 6:36:24 GMT
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Post by LUCY on Aug 2, 2008 6:39:56 GMT
Very interesting stuff Lucy. As you are intrigued I am as well. 2012 will change our lives. From dream-state to skywalker. I haven't done that much research on the 2012 stuff, just a bit of the surface. 12-21-12. or 12-23-12. Those Mayans knew what they were doing. You know bout the mushroom usage? Thats a total different story. Message me on that tip. That's what I'm talking bout, ALL TOGETHER NOW!. Good post. whats this picture about ? That Strawberry Fields "imagine" site, is like checkerboard/stargate symbolism. Remember MMT, where the magicians are in that room with the checkerboard floor, well you notice John isn't there, like he's dead already, the checkerboard symbol is usually associated to a diff time such as a stargate. st bart and da vincie's hidden chalice. note box, note chalace , note position similar 3d version over christ's head, another box, last pepper, er, supper.... john is being the mad hatter in that scene, no? but he did look a bit green around the gills. this is a Lennon doodle O X, box ;D second time around
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Post by LUCY on Aug 2, 2008 7:05:40 GMT
RING-O Starr-key from B & W to techicolor 79
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Post by LUCY on Aug 2, 2008 15:10:23 GMT
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Post by LUCY on Aug 2, 2008 16:38:10 GMT
lonely heart club band
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Post by georgekush on Aug 3, 2008 11:46:02 GMT
Lucy you are a bit confusing me. Some I understand. Remember in 79` supposedly John was to team up with Paul ? I Like that "Sir Army Suit" cover. See how this guy who somewhat resembles Paul is pointing toward the sun, and people are headed to it. Pushing the sun spirit , thousands of years ago. The black square(Saturn) he just so happens to be right under it, and the beetle/a (I love this song/scene). I am not a liar. I can see why people are jealous. John read it in a book. When he's 64. www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3f13tDq9mg&feature=relatedLook at the curving. All the Beatles when the rapid time occurs their hair grows, but none curves except for Paul's. Here's Paul in forward time (next to John): Here's Paul in reverse time (not next to John): Remember the curve is symbolism: I should publish a book. How about it?
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Post by LUCY on Aug 3, 2008 16:15:04 GMT
I dunno. It's not the whole story.
Pushing the sun spirit , thousands of years ago.
to where?
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Post by georgekush on Aug 3, 2008 16:28:26 GMT
The beetles push the sun spirit across the sky, also the sun is a spirit (consciousness). rebirth
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Post by LUCY on Aug 3, 2008 23:48:36 GMT
The beetles push the sun spirit across the sky, also the sun is a spirit (consciousness). rebirth in what? a ball of dung? a chariot, or a boat on a river?
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Post by Bluemagicwoman on Aug 4, 2008 1:42:14 GMT
In this MMT's frame I've found interesting elements: -is this Saturn? -maybe the dtawings on the blackboard are just funny elements, if not, what's the circle with 2 points inside, similar to a button? It's similar to John's doodle posted by Lucy and also to this (Shirley's object)
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Post by LUCY on Aug 4, 2008 1:55:34 GMT
no. shirley object is a troll figurine and a mix of a plant frond. that really was nothing ....
on second thought, who knows? HIGHLY doubtful, still.
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Post by LUCY on Aug 4, 2008 2:09:48 GMT
the beetle held the sun with it's pincers, Apollo drove the silver chariot, sorta ( in joke) the Sun floated in the barge on the Nile....all, contained in one vehicle, personified, heh, by the love bug. VW. AG. Standing still in time but not. But in all three stories, the sun needed the vehicle, the chariot. And something else... I see the saturn connection, George, but is it all there is to it? Consider more. si?
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Post by georgekush on Aug 4, 2008 7:47:57 GMT
Of course Saturn is connected to Paul / Beatles. Not everything equals Saturn, but since time is so important and worshiped it is considered. Saturn depicted 20000 years ago (notice the 8 spokes) Saturn , Stanley Kubrick's depiction: I've seen that connection in that MMT scene, that flower has 8 petals the one Paul is wearing. I've also seen it in Sumer if I remember correctly. The number 8 is also associated with Saturn. I can't find that flower at the moment give me 12 hours, i have to sleep its 2 am. I will find it and show you guys. www.edwardtbabinski.us/geocentrism/sumerians.html to prove i don't lie. Give me couple of hours. I need sleep , and I will prove that this flower Paul wears is found in Babel/Sumer.
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Post by LUCY on Aug 4, 2008 14:53:58 GMT
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Aug 5, 2008 1:21:49 GMT
Dear Georgekush,
I've been anxiously awaiting registration approval all day so that I could reply to this post. What a great asset to have someone so knowledgeable about sacred symbols. I wanted to request that you interpret "This One" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ma4jlE_VbI). It seems like Faul really gives away the game here, but I don't know how to read the symbols...
I also wanted to ask you why you thought Paul wasn't dead. I agree that he could definitely represent Saturn, but why does that preclude him from being dead? Have you ever done an astrological reading on him or anything?
Thanks for any reply.
BTW, I think a book on Beatles symbolism would be fascinating!
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Post by georgekush on Aug 5, 2008 3:01:04 GMT
Thanks for agreeing, I don't see it any other way. It's only my opinion that Paul did not die, yes death is symbolized but so i Saturn. Saturn is death and life/ Order and Chaos. My opinion is, if he really did die, they would have did a better job telling us.
Astrotheology was the future back then, and it's the future now. It's just my opinion to believe this. Everybody is entitled to their opinion.
Commenting on the video you posted. Well for one, I believe that the God on the swan's back is "Krishna", blue skinned baby/infant. Also the lyrics mention the swan turning black. Black is a color which is most likely associated with Saturn. Kinda like Rolling Stones "Paint it Black". "I wanna see the sun, blotted out from the sky".
Also did you see the sun behind Krishna as he rides on the swan? I am having trouble finding the flower that Paul is wearing in the MMT scene as the magician. Give me sometime. I can't remember where I saw it. I'm not in the greatest mood right now. So bare with me.
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Aug 5, 2008 3:43:05 GMT
Well, here's a crack at some of the symbolism I see. I referenced www.khandro.net/animal_bird_swan.htm for the info, just fyi. The swan: "Birds often symbolize the divine. They are often viewed as gods in disguise, or else they are the vehicles of gods and goddesses... The swan stands for the ethereal. It represents the presence of divine inspiration in our world. The association of the swan with wisdom and creativity appears also among the Greeks who considered that bird related to the nine Muses. It is said that when Apollo (Q: Paul?) was born at Delos, the event was marked with flights of circling swans. It is in the form of a swan that Zeus assaults Leda and in so doing, engenders the twins -- the Gemini (Paul was a Gemini - or is he referring to Paul & Faul?)-- Castor and Pollux, who hatched from eggs and also their sisters, the tormented Clytemnestra, and fatefully beautiful Helen, whose elopement with Paris is cause for the Trojan War. Despite the fact that the swan is generally judged the most beautiful of the large water birds, we can see in its long, graceful, serpentine neck, a kinship to the snake (Serpent = symbol of divine wisdom). Therefore, in Indian mythology, the swan (Skt. hamsa) embodies the union of Garuda and Naga, and since those two are enemies, it also stands for the highest wisdom teachings concerning the union of opposites (hmmm... Paul v Faul?) The spiritual association is further emphasized by the swan's seeming to move almost as if suspended above the water's surface, which evokes the detachment that is the result of meditative practice. Its regal posture and smooth, graceful gliding movement through the water, along with its general reputation as a silent bird, enhances its prestige." Linda & Faul meditating in front of the pool w/ the lotus: "In one Indian cosmogony, dark blue sleeping Vishnu has a lotus growing from the lake that is in his navel, and when it blooms, Brahma and his consort, Saraswati are revealed. Brahma wonders at his origins and so he attempts to follow the stem of the blossom to its source, but he is eventually discouraged. Then Sarasvati tells him that she is endowed with Mantra, and that if he chants this mantra along with the accompanying meditation practice, then ultimate truth will be revealed to him." "A god is riding upon his [swan's] back": (This doesn't 100% fit w/ thy lyrics, but could be only minor problem) "This divine swan-maiden, Saraswati, is depicted as young, fair and beautiful, with four arms, and all dressed in white. Seated on her swan, or accompanied by it, she holds the neck of a lute (veena) that lies across her lap, but besides plucking its strings, she also holds her rosary (mala) and a book that stand for vak or recitation. In the Indian myth of her origins, she sprang from the forehead of her father, Brahma, and immediately he desired her despite the fact that she was his daughter. Therefore Saraswati kept dodging his attentions but no matter which way she moved, Brahma grew a head in that direction, the better to keep her in his sights. That chase explains Brahma's four faces, and some say there is a fifth head on top so that she could not elude him even by moving above. Brahma finally manages to unite with her but the offspring of that union were of a special nature: The four Vedas, scriptures that are the foundation of the wisdom of ancient India. Brahma could not subdue this Wisdom Goddess, and though she, as his lawful wife ought to have taken her place at his left side for the Yajna or fire-sacrifice, she purposely delayed so as to miss the auspicious hour. Therefore she was deposed and replaced by the daughter of a sage (rishi), called Gayatri, the goddess who is the essential ritual-mantra of Brahminic Hinduism. A disinherited daughter/estranged wife, Saraswati embodies the freedom of inquiry, and independence of spirit that is characteristic of truth-seeking and creativity."
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Post by georgekush on Aug 5, 2008 6:01:34 GMT
Looks like you did some homework, this is the path I wanted this thread to be on. Thanks, now lets decipher the video, maybe you can. Im not in a good mood. Besides I did enough ;D. heh Lets put the information together see what we get. The swan/hawk/bird/wings , wouldn't this also be a symbol of the chariot or a vehicle (vimanna (hindu) ) ? Bah.. I need to find more stuff. And birds dont always symbolize "divine wisdom", it's usually higher consciousness. Forgot to mention in the Magical Mystery Tour screenshot, you see those posters? What are they of? Stars,constellations,space. HELP!Those 8 arms. (not including his) There cannot be a sacrifice without the Ring. RingO Starr aka Richard Starkey new album, Liverpool 8.
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Aug 5, 2008 8:27:10 GMT
Shoot, I just did a long post on "This One," but I lost it when I tried to post it (there was an error). Ok.. Here's an abbreviated version then...
When the video starts, it looks like Faul is in a pre-birth state. Then it looks like he's in this world (but eyes still closed). Then he ducks behind a screen (veil of Maya)? He comes out, his eyes are closed, but he has big, fake eyes painted on them. Maybe this means people are looking but not seeing?
At some point, an elephant flashes across the screen. This could be Ganesha.
"Lord Shiva, Mahadeva -- the Great God -- arranged that whoever worshipped the Vedic deity Soma at his temple known as the Someshwara, would win a place in heaven. As a consequence, the heavens became overcrowded and the king of heaven Lord Indra, begged Shiva to intervene. He was directed to approach Parvati, Shiva's wife.
Now Parvati had made, from the filth scrubbed off her own body, a being called Ganesh. His role was to intentionally create obstacles, for in his benevolent form Ganesha was the indirect result of Parvati's attempt to protect her privacy from all intruders including her husband. Adding some sandalwood paste to her own body's substance, she breathed life into it and created a guardian. Nevertheless, Lord Shiva managed, with the help of Vishnu some say, to decapitate and render the boy lifeless.
Mahadeva gave in to his wife's grief, however, and agreed to replace the creature's head with that of whichever creature appeared from the northerly, most auspicious, direction. So it was that the guardian acquired the head of an elephant and was adopted by Shiva and Parvati as their son.
The elephant head is an emblem of memory and wisdom which is underscored by the symbolism of his mount, the tiny shrew, often considered a rat or mouse.
In the epic poem Mahabharata, it is Ganesh who records the words of the poet Vyasa, some say using the point of broken tusk either as his pen or as an ink-horn.
Ganesha has two wives, Buddhi and Siddhi (Knowledge and Accomplishment,) (http://www.khandro.net/animal_elephant_2.htm)
I think the Golden Heart symbolizes the Heart Sutra, or maybe heart shakra, maybe.
The Lotus: "To the ancient Egyptians, a lotus bud or sesen was a symbol of rebirth. ... Its behaviour emulates that of the sun. Because of this rising and setting, it is also a symbol of death and rebirth." (http://www.khandro.net/nature_plants_lotus.htm)
Then some more on the lyrics...
HOW CALM THE WATER "Only a holy guru can bring about the understanding That in Emptiness all diverse phenomena Are one and the same. This supremely noble one is like the water unto swans.
In the mythology of the world, water pays a supreme role. Many deities are associated with it, and their names reflect this connection that evokes their role in dispensing fertility or prosperity of all kinds. The popular contemporary name Sara meaning flowing is related to that of Saraswati, a key goddess in Hinduism." (http://www.khandro.net/nature_water.htm)
AND BRIGHT THE RAINBOW "The rainbow ... is also a prime example of the illusory display that we experience as the physical world: It is patently not something real, but rather an ephemeral or transitory "object" produced by the interplay of light and water. (http://www.khandro.net/nature_rainbows.htm)
I don't know what the video means, but this is a start on the symbolism. There's definitely a lot of death & rebirth going on here, plus references to truth & seeing...
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Aug 5, 2008 8:57:25 GMT
"Forgot to mention in the Magical Mystery Tour screenshot, you see those posters? What are they of? Stars,constellations,space. "
I can't really tell. I would assume constellations, but I don't know... Those images are so replete w/ symbolism. It would be a huge project to decode all of that :-P
Could "Ringo Starr" be for Saturn? - ring around a star... Anyway, that album cover... what kind of car is that? Could it be a reference to... you know?
Stars: "The pentagram has long been associated with the planet Venus, and the worship of the goddess Venus... It is also associated with the Roman Lucifer, who was Venus as the Morning Star, the bringer of light and knowledge." (http://wikicompany.org/wiki/911:Occult_symbolism_III)
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Post by LUCY on Aug 5, 2008 13:11:09 GMT
"In Dwellings, the Philosopher’s Stone and the mysteries of time are also closely related to a double catastrophe to occur at the "end of time." And, according to Fulcanelli’s reading of the hidden message, we are living in the end times. Fulcanelli’s words on this topic are brief but to the point. He offers a compelling interpretation of the symbology of an obelisk from Dommartin-sur-Tigeaux (Siene et Marne), which is reminiscent of his analysis of the Cyclic Cross at Hendaye in Mysteries of the Cathedrals. It has to do with a double catastrophe to occur at the end of the Great Solar Period, which is divided into four ages. We can deduct that he is referring to the 26,000-year precessional cycle, divided into four periods of 6500 years each. Following Weidner and Bridges’s decoding of the Cross at Hendaye in their recent book A Monument to the End of Time (1999) - which is a brilliant deductive revelation - the obelisk in Dwellings appears to be yet another monument that encodes an alignment in precession which looms on the horizon, and which will, according to Fulcanelli, result in Judgment Day - the purging of the northern hemisphere by fire, and the southern hemisphere by flood. The alignment in question is none othe rthan the solstice-galaxy alignment that the Maya Long Count calendar indicates with its end-date (see my book Maya Cosmogenesis 2012, 1998). This alignment, following the equinox emphasis preferred my Fulcanelli, Weidner, and Bridges, can also be referred to as the equinox-galaxy Cross. The Cross or Alignment is most precise in 1998-1999. The intriguing information here involves Fulcanelli’s knowledge of the alignment, when writing in the 1920s. This Judgment Day alignment seems to be the alchemical secret coveted through the ages, passed down in elite groups of European esoteric circles to the 20th century -- right to the edge of the alignment itself! Bridges and Weidner suggest that this Year-2000 A.D. alignment, and these precessional alignment dynamics in general, involving our changing orientation to the galaxy, were central to Egyptian cosmology. The Galactic Alignment (or Galactic Cross) concept is thus the key to alchemy, having survived the steep attrition of the ages and the ascent of ego-ignorance as the Iron Age deepened, to be "let out of the bag" by the enigmatic Fulcanelli. One might think that Fulcanelli’s work would have been translated, analyzed, decoded and interpreted long ago. As a testiment to the distorted priorities of our age, it’s taken seventy years for Dwellings to appear in English. And yes, it’s cryptic" edj.net/mc2012/fulcanelli.htm
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Post by faulconandsnowjob on Aug 5, 2008 23:10:53 GMT
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Post by Bluemagicwoman on Aug 6, 2008 2:02:00 GMT
More about the SWAN... ...in some myths the swan is related to the goddess Nemesis: it is said that Zeus wanted to have a relation with her and so he transformed himself in a swan chased by an eagle...she wanted to protect the poor swan and so felt in Zeus trick... one other version of the same myth wants that to escape from him Nemesis became a goose, but Zeus, to win the pursuit, made himself a swan and caught her...from their union THE EGG was originated... Here we have one other interesting animal the GOOSE, on which I'll come back later and also the EGG symbol... ORPHEUS, the biggest musician of the ancient times is also seen in other myths related to the swan constellation, also named NORTHERN CROSS or CYGNUS. It seems the Orpheus was transformed into a swan after his murder and placed in the sky next to his lyra. Is this a goose? It happens that this two birds, swan and goose, have been symbolically related, probably for they WHITE feathers and similar neck shape. There are several symbolic aspects in mythology all over the world for which they are linked to each other. Both of them are dealing with sound and music...one example among the many is this: in the egyptian mythology Amon-ra in the form of a goose flying over the waters deposited the Cosmic egg and his call has been the very first sound ever produced... ...in India the goose is thought to be the manifestation of the Original Big Mother, Goddess of the Word, the one who created the written language...
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