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Post by robs on Jan 15, 2012 15:01:08 GMT
Thanks for the stills from the Yellow Submarine, and I see your point. It is very telling, at least, that someone like me, fully aware of the switch, would have been fooled again by Faul knowing what I do. It goes a long way in explaining why the switch was so successful and unchallenged. Note how he is crouching for the height and the smaller eyes in relation to the head.
Someone else years back posting on the string about John Paul making a cameo in the Coming Up video from the Eighties, brought up the possibility of the real Paul appearing in the later My Brave Face video. There are two youtube versions of this, both staged "live" but lip-synced to the same track. The "HD" version is vertically compressed, giving the impression that Faul has the same body/head proportions to the original than the uncompressed version staged in front of an audience of dancers.
I have to say I have spent more time listening to Faul McCartney's music in the last few days than in all the time he was making it, and the quality of his song writing and music is truly remarkable. If Paul is still around, it would not be technically difficult to merge or alter the original's voice to match Faul's on certain tracks. I don't see in Faul the same capacity to rock out or emote as the original. "My Brave Face" seems autobiographical on many levels, and towards the end, there is a passage where Paul belts out expressively that the Faul completely misses in his lip-syncing. This show's the same intensity of the "California" cameo in the Klattu song Scatterdome noted.
Have you seen the 2010 Rai due Voyager exploration of Faul/Paul on youtube that covers the Wired examination as well as handwriting analysis and other issues? It's in Italian which I understand but I think it is worth a look even if you don't get the lingo. It occurs to me Faul's accomplishment in all these years is truly amazing, especially if the real one died. There is a Jim Feltzer online radio program from last month in which someone hypothosized they got Elton John to ghostwrite the Long and Winding Road and other McCartney songs, which was a fascinating theory. Whether Jon Paul is still alive or not, his legacy has been admirably expanded, and I'd like to think it's possible the real Paul is behind the scenes somewhere, writing these songs. Maybe Faul did the same with Percy Thrillington and the Firemen. I saw a picture of a bearded older guy online on the Nothing is Real board that looks like Paul went the Howard Hughes route. Does anyone know where that photo came from?
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Post by Sun King™ on Jan 15, 2012 21:04:26 GMT
It's so easy with original documentation references.
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Post by Sun King™ on Jan 15, 2012 21:09:13 GMT
Thanks for the stills from the Yellow Submarine, and I see your point. It is very telling, at least, that someone like me, fully aware of the switch, would have been fooled again by Faul knowing what I do. It goes a long way in explaining why the switch was so successful and unchallenged. Note how he is crouching for the height and the smaller eyes in relation to the head. Someone else years back posting on the string about John Paul making a cameo in the Coming Up video from the Eighties, brought up the possibility of the real Paul appearing in the later My Brave Face video. There are two youtube versions of this, both staged "live" but lip-synced to the same track. The "HD" version is vertically compressed, giving the impression that Faul has the same body/head proportions to the original than the uncompressed version staged in front of an audience of dancers. I have to say I have spent more time listening to Faul McCartney's music in the last few days than in all the time he was making it, and the quality of his song writing and music is truly remarkable. If Paul is still around, it would not be technically difficult to merge or alter the original's voice to match Faul's on certain tracks. I don't see in Faul the same capacity to rock out or emote as the original. "My Brave Face" seems autobiographical on many levels, and towards the end, there is a passage where Paul belts out expressively that the Faul completely misses in his lip-syncing. This show's the same intensity of the "California" cameo in the Klattu song Scatterdome noted. Have you seen the 2010 Rai due Voyager exploration of Faul/Paul on youtube that covers the Wired examination as well as handwriting analysis and other issues? It's in Italian which I understand but I think it is worth a look even if you don't get the lingo. It occurs to me Faul's accomplishment in all these years is truly amazing, especially if the real one died. There is a Jim Feltzer online radio program from last month in which someone hypothosized they got Elton John to ghostwrite the Long and Winding Road and other McCartney songs, which was a fascinating theory. Whether Jon Paul is still alive or not, his legacy has been admirably expanded, and I'd like to think it's possible the real Paul is behind the scenes somewhere, writing these songs. Maybe Faul did the same with Percy Thrillington and the Firemen. I saw a picture of a bearded older guy online on the Nothing is Real board that looks like Paul went the Howard Hughes route. Does anyone know where that photo came from? Yes, that photo was from me.
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Post by robs on Jan 16, 2012 1:18:57 GMT
Hi Sun King and trj, Thanks for your posts. Thanks to your stills, I readily concede it was Faul in both Yellow Submarine and the young Paul cameo in Coming up, of which there is a string on a still from that 1980 shoot ending up in the Getty archive as a real sixty era image of Paul, see http://*banned link*?board=TAR&action=display&thread=6730
All I can say is that Faul has a great talent to channel the real deal. I see now his features are more regular and that his nose bridge is narrower that Paul's.
I'm coming from this with a background of having studies the JFK assassination (as you may know, Meet the Beatles was released on 11/22/63, the day Kennedy was killed. It is exciting to see that the knowledge of Paul's replacement is growing, but I hope Faul is not personally made the villain in all this. He's been credibly playing Paul for thirty plus years, just playing the cards he was dealt, and if it were not for him, a lot of great music would have never come out. I just saw a video of him practicing "Blackbird" and it's amazing how he stepped into Paul's shoes. I lived through this time, and for me, the Beatles were only interesting from Rubber Soul on, and to me their best music was post '66.
While it's believable to me they could have had multiple versions of the Beatles touring in their earliest days (there's been many photos of early faux fab four, much the same way there were multiple Lee Harvey Oswalds) I think a lot of the speculation of later double Lennons and Harrisons is not credible and only clouds the main issue. Often myths are repeated until they are taken as fact. For instance, I can easily see the difference between the original BB KIng and the second guy who replaced him, but I can't see the difference between the pre and Post '56 Doris Day. However you can google Pope Paul VI and replacement and see there were clearly two different men who held this title.
So to me the replacement of Paul dovetails with other nefarious events of the sixties including JFK's assassination, the Viet nam war and the moon landing. Maybe the trauma of the JFK assassination was the perfect event to make people bond more with the Beatles when they were introduced.
Sun King, can you tell me more about that Howard Hughes Paul photo? Where did it come from? Just asking, because it is very disturbing. Thanks
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2012 11:45:12 GMT
Something I can never get out of my head when studying The Beatles films
It is fairly well known that Magical Mystery Tour did quite poorly in theaters in 1967, but became more popular when it was colorized the next year....so where is the black and white version? As far as I know, NOBODY has seen this version in 45 years now! For all we know, it could look quite different from the color version! I showed years ago the slight alterations made to Strawberry Fields Forever when it was later colorized. Most of the moles on skin were faded out in the color version. Penny Lane and All You Need is Love were also later colorized, I have never seen a black and white version of Penny Lane available. In the age of "restored footage", the ability to make small adjustments is incredible.
I would pay a good deal to see those missing black and white films.
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Post by beacon on Jan 17, 2012 13:20:47 GMT
Magical Mystery Tour was filmed in colour but initially screened in black and white, though that is not to say that changes weren't made before it was released on VHS.
Apparently there was over ten hours of footage that was edited down for the final film - now I would pay top dollar to see that, but I believe it has all been lost!
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Post by jpmfan on Feb 5, 2012 22:18:04 GMT
Sun King, can you tell me more about that Howard Hughes Paul photo? Where did it come from? Just asking, because it is very disturbing. Thanks I've spent about five hours reading through this whole thread. Quite difficult in some places as the images are gone, but I think I get the overall gist. I find it hard to believe someone who was a true PERFORMER would be ok with no longer getting his fix from the audience. In watching old ed sullivan shows Paul's exuberance and enjoyment of interacting with the audience is very clear to see. Why would that change? Being content to be behind the scenes just would not do it. I have many friends who are musicians including my father and the love of performing was the greatest thing of all. So I don't buy the theory that he decided to take a public back seat and hired a replacement. It just does not fit with the person I see performing live up to the end of 1964. I too would like to know more about the "howard hughes" photo/theory. I've not heard of this before. I would also like to read 60IF again; I read it many years ago, and cannot find it on line now. If anyone has a link I'd be most grateful. And that brings up something else I wanted to say... I was a Deadhead for many years. I see the same "groking" of the crowd with the Dead and the way JPM interacted with the crowds during live performances. It was a "give and take" situation. The "Grateful Dead" would still be appearing if Jerry Garcia was still alive I am certain. (Interesting the remaining members still play together but call themselves "the Dead." ) Even though they lost various band members over the years it was not until Garcia died that they changed the name and "The Grateful Dead" were no more. A parallel perhaps?? There's a few more things I'd like to say about the various comments made about the Illuminati, but suffice it to say that if you do not include the various Kaballah connections to the Illuminati (started by Adam Weishaupt in Bavaria in 1776) you are missing more than half the story. I do believe JPM was out of the picture when the heavy illuminati stuff began to happen. The person we currently know as "paul mccartney" is very heavily involved with this stuff still. It is evident in many of his albums and stage shows. Its not for entertainment; perhaps for the thrill value of the occult, but also for a dark purpose. Finally, after all the research I've done, I believe JPM was not longer an active part of the beatles after 1964. Don't limit yourself to the information that you are provided by "them" when trying to figure this out. If you say "well there's photos of him dated 1965, 1966..." and "it would take a lot of work to retouch, etc. who would have gone to that trouble?" I ask you to consider the cover-up of JFK's assasination. If there's enough money at stake, keeping a cash machine going is the foremost priority. "Cui bono??" WHO benefits?? "Tavistock brought the Beatles to the United States ... an integral part of "THE CHANGING IMAGES OF MAN," URH (489)-2150-Policy Research Report No. 4/4/74. Policy Report pre-pared by SRI Center for the study of Social Policy, Director, Professor Willis Harmon. (http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=69013.25;wap2)" For those unfamiliar: educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwotavistockbestkeptsecret.shtml
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Post by lexdyksic on Mar 4, 2012 7:34:27 GMT
Hi everyone, I'm a newbie. I wanted to chime in to say I like this theory for several reasons. it may not be "perfect" but it is plausible. We think he's dead from the clues and the fact that it's obvious that he was replaced. That could be the whole story. Then again, maybe not. I lived through this period and was very involved with their music and the whole thing. Now that I'm older and have read and studied more it strikes me as strange how this all came about. It is certainly unique in the world of music. The Beatles were the most controlled group in history. Every nuance was carefully crafted. Very little was left to chance. Now we can attribute all of that to "the lad's" genius, or we can give some of that to their handlers, whoever they were. We know the obvious ones, I'm pretty certain there were others. Many people now think the occult influence is disturbing. It IS remarkable. The Crowley influence and the "things hidden in plain sight" aspect of it all are common elements of illuminist thinking and the mind-control apparatus. I was in London when Abbey Road was released. I never saw anything to equal it. Every shop window was plastered with copies. Everyone on the street was carrying a copy. It was surreal. So yes, there may be something to this theory. I won't try to take it a step further and ascribe personal motives to Paul. Who knows? I doubt that the handlers would let a live Paul rattle around somewhere creating a potential problem. I hope I'm wrong. It is fun to speculate about this, though. Nice job to all of you. Frankly, the Faul substitute creeps me out.
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Post by lexdyksic on Mar 5, 2012 5:25:16 GMT
It's not my normal practice to post to my previous post but I see from reading that there hasn't been much activity here for a while. Story of my life, I guess, day late and a dollar short! Anyway, I'm having trouble getting all this out of my mind lately. All of the information here is fascinating. I wasn't all that interested in the rumor at the time, but I was involved with music and liked theirs. Looking back over all that time I have to say that, at the time, it wasn't as obvious as this site makes it. Consider that they'd stopped performing. There weren't that many interviews and such outside of specialty mags and that sort of thing. They were doing ground breaking work in the studio. It is obvious to me (and most here) that there was a replacement. The clues say that he died. Maybe, it is more likely than having him knocking around with the potential to blow the whole thing. Still, all those working with them would have had to know. I once knew identical twins. At first I couldn't tell which one I was speaking to. After a while they seemed as different as anyone else. I could recognize them instantly. So, in order to keep this secret a lot of people would have had to keep quiet about it. Some of those would not have "been on the dole" and would not have had an obligation. Well, obviously they got away with it. Like so many other things that are mysterious, this raises more questions than answers. One question that comes to mind is where did the creative genius come from? Paul was gifted, Faul must be in his own way. Or, maybe the whole thing was created by unseen talent. There are a lot of talented people in music who never get much notice. If you couple that with having unrestricted access to the finest studio equipment and sound engineers you can work miracles. One last thought, has anyone ever tried to track down the license plates on Faul's car? Has anyone checked police records for the crash? How about coroner's records? I know they could be covered up but it would be extremely difficult.
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Post by A Pinch of Vermouth on Jun 20, 2013 14:42:52 GMT
Pardon the intrusion...
There seems to be those who have landed on the theory only to zig left when you wanted to zag right. To come up with an answer only to mold in to something that does not resemble the answer at all. Seems close but no cookie.
APOV
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Post by Sun King™ on Jul 2, 2013 16:23:16 GMT
Pardon the intrusion... There seems to be those who have landed on the theory only to zig left when you wanted to zag right. To come up with an answer only to mold in to something that does not resemble the answer at all. Seems close but no cookie. APOV Well Paul lost his legs between March / April 1964. So Paul himself told the real agenda on May 18th 1964 interview on the BBC program A Degree Of Frost but nobody understood that was the truth. The Walrus Was Paul . The Walrus has no leg.
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Post by ladymoonlight on Jul 24, 2013 19:38:58 GMT
People keep saying "the boys" were knighted by the Queen but THEY WERE NOT KNIGHTED. They were awarded the M.B.E (Member of the British Empire medal)......only many years later was "Paul" knighted and became Sir. American members of the Forum may not be familiar with the British Honours system.
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Post by ladymoonlight on Jul 26, 2013 17:39:26 GMT
As "Robs" said above; it would be very plausible that other songwriters were hired to write songs on behalf of Faul;"The Long and Winding Road" does sound Elton John-ish. Indeed it has been suggested that Tavistock had writers who were paid to compose many Lennon/McCartney compositions. They simply would not have had the time to do everything themselves. As for Paul being still alive and "helping" Faul's solo career beggars belief. In a Jensen Rufe video on I think the Rotten Apple series, it states that one of the fake Pauls maybe Billy, died in 1977.
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Post by bloscoe on Sept 18, 2013 0:55:26 GMT
Man, this is some heavy-duty sh*t. The Illuminati? It doesn't get sneakier than those cats.
I still have the poster that came with the White Album. There's a small black & white photo of some dude who looks an awful lot like McCartney...but he's wearing glasses & has short hair. I'll bet that's the replacement. I also still have the 'magazine' that came inside Magical Mystery Tour...& the cardboard cut-outs that came with Sgt. Pepper's. I'll bet there's clues all over those albums.
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Post by youarethewalrus on Dec 27, 2013 22:31:17 GMT
People keep saying "the boys" were knighted by the Queen but THEY WERE NOT KNIGHTED. They were awarded the M.B.E (Member of the British Empire medal)......only many years later was "Paul" knighted and became Sir. American members of the Forum may not be familiar with the British Honours system. This is news to me..Paul lost his legs? How? Therefore sound reason to retire unofficially using a body double instead?
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Post by Sun King™ on Jan 16, 2014 16:12:10 GMT
People keep saying "the boys" were knighted by the Queen but THEY WERE NOT KNIGHTED. They were awarded the M.B.E (Member of the British Empire medal)......only many years later was "Paul" knighted and became Sir. American members of the Forum may not be familiar with the British Honours system. This is news to me..Paul lost his legs? How? Therefore sound reason to retire unofficially using a body double instead? All the detailed story is here:www.facebook.com/pages/Reversehide/409082585861943
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Post by lavafo on Jan 16, 2014 20:06:34 GMT
Hi, just wanted to add a couple of things that I think you'll find interesting. This is an English take on it. I've never actually heard of the PID rumour until this month, but it was a fun excuse to watch some old Beatles videos. I think you might be right about Paul using a double, but I'd suggest he just used him for mundane stuff he didn't really need to do himself. I remember once hearing Paul say he'd only spent one night apart from Linda. He did it once and decided he wasn't going to do it again. So this could be the cunning plan. He hires a double, and prosthetics are made so his double looks more like Paul, and prosthetics are made so Paul looks more like his double. This accounts for a change of look. The added benefit, when he's not wearing them, he doesn't look like himself. So I could be standing behind him in a shopping queue, thinking that guy looks a bit like Paul McCartney, rather than going mental because I'm actually standing in a shopping queue behind Paul McCartney. For me, this interview, 1968, points to a double - www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp0i90n0BP8&list=RD1p7Wxkbh7hsIt just has a feeling that everyone in the room is in on a joke except Larry. Skip to the bit where Larry says "One final question, in all the time you've been Beatles" - John looks down, hiding his eyes from Larry, Paul winks at the cameraman (as if to say, yep all three weeks) Larry continues "before you were just people from Liverpool" both John and Paul can't contain their laughter - suggesting to me that actually, this Paul has never been to Liverpool in his life, "when's the bubble going to burst" both Paul and John suddenly look serious. Contemplating it, John says something interesting. "It just flew on" and "It's like Dr Jekyll and Mrs Brown" - referencing 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' - a man who drinks a potion and turns into an alter ego. When it wears off, he turns back into himself. 'Mrs Brown', referencing Queen Victoria, I think, when her husband Prince Albert died, Victoria was in mourning for many years, until the arrival of a new Gille, John Brown. She wrote he bore a striking resemblance to her dead husband in both looks and manner, and that she believed Albert himself had sent Brown to her. So here's why I think the Paul now is still Paul. Here he is in 1982, and he looks quite different, this is because he was there to do a BBC radio recording for Desert Island Discs - www.youtube.com/watch?v=rss-ZVgZz9gThe clip is from a special episode of Desert Island Discs. The other person you see is Roy Plomley, and this is from his 40th anniversary show. Roy Plomley was a broadcasting legend in his own right in England, so I imagine Paul would have been honoured to be the person Roy wanted for this episode - and here is a link to that actual broadcast, the BBC have recently put all Roy's shows on line to listen to - www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/desert-island-discs/castaway/5183dd40#p009ml01I hope you enjoy this, and that it brings something new to your discussion.
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Post by michelle1 on Jan 23, 2014 5:16:49 GMT
Hi, just wanted to add a couple of things that I think you'll find interesting. This is an English take on it. I've never actually heard of the PID rumour until this month, but it was a fun excuse to watch some old Beatles videos. I think you might be right about Paul using a double, but I'd suggest he just used him for mundane stuff he didn't really need to do himself. I remember once hearing Paul say he'd only spent one night apart from Linda. He did it once and decided he wasn't going to do it again. So this could be the cunning plan. He hires a double, and prosthetics are made so his double looks more like Paul, and prosthetics are made so Paul looks more like his double. This accounts for a change of look. The added benefit, when he's not wearing them, he doesn't look like himself. So I could be standing behind him in a shopping queue, thinking that guy looks a bit like Paul McCartney, rather than going mental because I'm actually standing in a shopping queue behind Paul McCartney. For me, this interview, 1968, points to a double - www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qp0i90n0BP8&list=RD1p7Wxkbh7hsIt just has a feeling that everyone in the room is in on a joke except Larry. Skip to the bit where Larry says "One final question, in all the time you've been Beatles" - John looks down, hiding his eyes from Larry, Paul winks at the cameraman (as if to say, yep all three weeks) Larry continues "before you were just people from Liverpool" both John and Paul can't contain their laughter - suggesting to me that actually, this Paul has never been to Liverpool in his life, "when's the bubble going to burst" both Paul and John suddenly look serious. Contemplating it, John says something interesting. "It just flew on" and "It's like Dr Jekyll and Mrs Brown" - referencing 'Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde' - a man who drinks a potion and turns into an alter ego. When it wears off, he turns back into himself. 'Mrs Brown', referencing Queen Victoria, I think, when her husband Prince Albert died, Victoria was in mourning for many years, until the arrival of a new Gille, John Brown. She wrote he bore a striking resemblance to her dead husband in both looks and manner, and that she believed Albert himself had sent Brown to her. So here's why I think the Paul now is still Paul. Here he is in 1982, and he looks quite different, this is because he was there to do a BBC radio recording for Desert Island Discs - www.youtube.com/watch?v=rss-ZVgZz9gThe clip is from a special episode of Desert Island Discs. The other person you see is Roy Plomley, and this is from his 40th anniversary show. Roy Plomley was a broadcasting legend in his own right in England, so I imagine Paul would have been honoured to be the person Roy wanted for this episode - and here is a link to that actual broadcast, the BBC have recently put all Roy's shows on line to listen to - www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/features/desert-island-discs/castaway/5183dd40#p009ml01I hope you enjoy this, and that it brings something new to your discussion. Thank you! Great videos!
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