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Post by MrMustard on Sept 14, 2003 2:03:09 GMT
"Sean Lennon said "My father was assassinated by an FBI-CIA connection". Yoko Ono is a spy of the foreign office. She was part of John Lennon's assassination."
This is taken from one of your sites (the king is naked one)...How did you find out that Yoko was a spy for the foregin office? Can you find a source for that information for me? I always thought that Yoko was a good person... would you be able to enligten me... I know Sean said that and I believe John was assasinated by the FBI-CIA connection.. but Yoko being involved too? It doesn't make sense....
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Post by pennylane on Sept 14, 2003 2:24:07 GMT
I wish i could answer this one for you but personally its one of the things i don't understand either. I actually admired Yoko and can't imagine her being part of something like Johns death.. but what do i know...  |
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Post by MrMustard on Sept 14, 2003 5:19:46 GMT
I don't think she was involved, I think she really loved him, but then again, what would I know!
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Post by Darkhorse on Sept 14, 2003 5:27:28 GMT
She may have been assigned to him to keep him under control or to 'protect' him. Either way, I think it was out of her hands when they decided to kill him. I don't think she ordered it because I believe she loved him and I don't think she is that sick. The sick people are behind the scenes in my opinion. I do believe she knew who killed him and could do nothing about it just like Faul could't either.
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Post by MrMustard on Sept 14, 2003 8:51:15 GMT
Yeah I agree with you totally... but then again I'll never know what really went on, only Yoko knows that!
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Post by SunKing on Sept 14, 2003 10:37:19 GMT
Yoko role inside the Beatles: Obviously....the japanese samurai (soldier) doll...with an "eggman" cap! Eggman=spy (secret agent) ? |
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Post by Perplexed on Sept 14, 2003 11:51:38 GMT
Well, I see Snow White "fronting" the Oriental figurine. Hmmm, and there's a serpent nearby at their right............hmm........
I thought I had read somewhere that Lennon took the "eggman" charator reference from Lewis Carroll. I could be wrong on that.
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Post by SunKing on Sept 14, 2003 12:12:36 GMT
Snow White  Snow White and the Dwarf |
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Post by Forum Manager on Sept 14, 2003 17:33:58 GMT
even if yoko wasnt a spy (htough i still believe she was) she still had reason for john being dead anyways. he was planning to divorce her. she knew that. if he divorced her, she woudl get nothing. but if she killed him, she would get everything!
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Post by ivory on Sept 14, 2003 18:55:18 GMT
Number 9, I doubt she could be so crule. I really do believe she loved him dearly.
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Post by Forum Manager on Sept 14, 2003 22:03:55 GMT
maybe she did, but... i... really... dont... like... her...
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Post by xpt626 on Sept 14, 2003 23:49:58 GMT
Number 9, I doubt she could be so crule. sadly, spouses do this every day...with a lot less to gain. I don't know if she was involved, but it wouldn't surprise me in the least. |
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Post by MrMustard on Sept 15, 2003 4:28:01 GMT
Personally I feel sorry for Yoko, she was seen as a dragon lady because she was slightly different and never smiled... maybe she was a dragon lady but she has been through a lot - she watched her husband being killed! I think she did love him, her and John were always together! If she didn't love him, John would have been able to see through her, he wasn't that stupid!
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Post by Forum Manager on Sept 15, 2003 7:19:52 GMT
brainwash. think about all the tea she had him drink. probably put enough opium in there to keep his brain numb from all independant thoughts. just my thoughts
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Sept 15, 2003 12:55:07 GMT
The topic of Yoko is a complex one to be sure. There was so much going on, involving so many levels of human psyche and vulnerability, in relation to John.
There is alot of material which casts aspersions upon Yoko. Fred Seaman's book, for one. John Greene, the Lennon's personal psychic for the final few years of John's life, had much to say which wasn't love and flowers.
The other Beatles were witness up close to her ways, and they generally didn't groove to what was going down in the final 3 years of the Beatles as an entity; fair or not this corresponds directly to Yoko's aggressive persuit of John Lennon...and her victory.
May Pang's book is excellent. There are revelations in there dealing with John's plans to break away from Yoko, and how Yoko used a professional hypnotist to thwart it all. I find May Pang's account of her time with John credible.
Yoko's main objective when she began her persuit of John was financial; she was married to Tony Cox at the time and they were heavily in debt. Her debt may have put her in a compromised position with any covert intelligence agency patient enough to try any means of upsetting, dissolving, or controlling the Beatles.
For all John's crusty, tough, acerbic, and potentially threatening exterior, this was just a psychological cover or protective barrier to shield the real John inside, which was vulnerable and self-admittedly always seeking that one magical woman who would measure up to his dead mother and provide the assuring, soothing proto-placenta for John to hide in and escape his crippling inferiority complexes...for they were many.
Yoko trolled the waters like a wise shark seeing the biggest walrus in the ocean. She pretended to be totally unaware of 'Beatles' and projected pure intellectual, physical, and artisticly conceptual love for John. In essence, everything he had yearned for in a relationship manuvered to him via Yoko. Wow!
Cynical me says that nothing is as it appears, especially intrapersonal relationships between people, let alone between the greatest Rock singer/songwriter in the world and an unknown, indigent woman. As in the Mark David Chapman case, as in the Kurt Cobain case, my mantra is : FOLLOW THE MONEY. Who has John's multi-millions? why, Yoko not only reaps his money, to this day she owns his likeness and name copyright and the rights/royalties to his solo recording material.
Remember when she treated Julian like sh*t? Paid him off with like 1 or 2 at the most, million dollars to get him to sign off of any claim to Lennon anything? Actions speak louder than words. Julian is of John; his own flesh and blood and DNA just as Sean is. If she loved John, she would honor him thru Julian and Sean. Rumor is, she doesn't allow Sean to have much contact with Julian.
I've tried very hard to dig Yoko, to grok where she could be coming from. My world-weary gut instinct won't let me. Within 24 hours of John's assassination, Yoko was in the Record Plant recording studio in NYC, recording an album. Speaks volumes to me.
John Greene, their psychic, saw a vision of John covered in his own blood six months before his murder. He duly notified Yoko, who did not share the revelation with John. Two weeks before his death, John dismissed his bodyguards. He wanted to make himself available to his people; his fans. On December 8, 1980, John wanted to go out on the town for a late dinner after the recording session. Yoko insisted they go straight home. The limo driver asked John if he wanted dropped off inside the iron Dakota gates, or at the curb. John said at the curb would be fine. getting out of the limo, Yoko ran ahead of John, up into the entry way. The rest, is history. And epic tragedy.
John also fought hard to become an American citizen. He loved America. We sure need him here today, to tell it like it is against this military mentality we are sinking into thanks to cowboy Bush.
The Yoko connection is far too complex to deal with in one posting. But I do know this: in medieval times much was made of the 5 wounds to Christ (Jesus) suffered during his crucifixion. John Lennon had five bullet wounds which killed him. The Ballad of John and Yoko was prophetic beyond reality. Happiness was NOT a warm gun...and the man who intoned 'shoot me' with heavy echo on 'Come Together' always had it in the back of his mind that he would meet a violent end on the wrong side of a gun.
Let's be more influenced by John's life and what he stood for...and died for....than be affected by his senseless, evil death. Strawberry Fields Forever. -ian
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Post by Rojopa on Sept 15, 2003 15:02:46 GMT
Ian,
Perhaps it is a good thing that Bush is a cowboy! Somebody needs to deal with these terrorists with a strong and persistent arm. We should never go back to pre-9/11 days where we had the mentality of everything is just fine.
We, our lifestyle and beliefs, are the target of the terrorists. If we don't stand up and defend ourselves, then our destruction will surely follow.
And just look at the Palestinian issue. They don't want to coexist with Israel. They want to destroy them completely. They have said that themselves! The destruction of Israel is their goal. They are terrorists and should be dealt with as such. Hats off to Israel for doing what they are doing....defending themselves!
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Post by Rojopa on Sept 15, 2003 15:08:37 GMT
My wish would be that there would be peace throughout the world. However, that will never happen because there are people who won't let it happen. They kill in the name of their GOD!
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Post by gharryson on Sept 15, 2003 17:36:42 GMT
ok number 9 your letting your biased get in the way here...'i just don't like her' c'mon your smarter than that...Yoko never smiled because her mother told her 'smiles where for shopkeepers'...people to have to be polite and interact to make a living....and Mykel said he was planning on divorcing her....when i asked him for a little clarification on some thing that John told Tony Levin... igot no answer...and on Dec. 6, 1980, john himself said they had ideas for the third album after double fantasy....again does that sound like a divorce was in the works..not to me...so if we are to assume that she is a spy we need some evidence not posts that just hate yoko for no reason...your all intelligent...we can do better than that........
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Post by gharryson on Sept 15, 2003 17:39:24 GMT
Yep May was an excellent source. along with the rest of the hired help.........
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Post by gharryson on Sept 15, 2003 17:41:23 GMT
if you were 4'11" i guess your walk would be like running too....
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Sept 15, 2003 21:59:31 GMT
Firstly, I have gotten more in-depth than any other posting on this thread re: Yoko. Perhaps what I had to relate was hard to absorb somehow. And it is only the surface 1% of the story. Use your heads, people. One merely has to consider, "what happened with the Beatles BEFORE Yoko came on the scene; and what happened with the Beatles AFTER Yoko came on the scene."
We have the benefit of a panoramic retrospective here.
Also, I cannot weigh the stories and observations of witnesses to events so callously and condescendingly just because they may have been "hired help." That is a bit too mean-spirited and way too narrow-minded to make ANY progress in figuring the situation out.
Secondly, anyone who buys all the rabid, foaming-at-the-mouth knee-jerk flag-waiving conditioned-response uber-patriotism and WAR has my sincere sympathies. My words of wisdom to you would be that 'Terrorism' wears many masks and faces, and hides behind many flags...maybe ever yer own. I certainly do not need no idiotic Cowboy despot in my life, here, here.
When I said, 'FOLLOW THE MONEY' I wasn't joking. Money talks. Loud and clear. Money buys. Case in point: Mark David Chapman was an out of work loser yet somehow managed to fly from Hawaii to New York and stay for a whole week in New York hotels. WHO FINANCED HIM? FOLLOW THE MONEY, and ye shall be closer to the power which wished John Lennon dead.
Lastly, Sean Lennon did indeed release a statement which in effect said, "anyone who doesn't think it was in the best interests of the U.S. Government to kill my Dad is crazy. It was a conspiracy from the CIA/FBI." I never heard him say the part, added on at the start of this thread, about Yoko being a spy...but it wouldn't surprise me at all.
She did a bang-up job looking back; if she had been assigned to destroy the group, she did well. If she had been assigned to live in the lap of untold luxury and be a 'sleeper' operative on John, then she did her job well.
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Post by Forum Manager on Sept 16, 2003 2:16:53 GMT
reasons i dont like yoko:
1) she was one of the reasons the beatles broke up
2) she controlled john
3) she prevented julian form getting the money that he rightfully deserved.
4) i personally believe she had something to do with lennon's death
those are all i can think of right now, if i come up with more ill add them. but these are the reasons i dont like her.
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Post by TotalInformation on Sept 16, 2003 3:46:22 GMT
Ian - I agree the Yoko subject is very complex, and your posts have been enlightening. As to the post at the beginning, the poster was quoting Sean Lennon at the begining, but the end of the quote was from Sun King's 60IF site.
As to current issues. G W Bush is as much a cowboy as I am an astronaut. The ranch in Texas is for all intents and purposes a movie set. The Bush family is Eastern Establishment and plugged in to the real NWO masters in Europe. The 9/11 ay-rabs with boxcutters story is a transparent fairytale. The America that Lennon loved is, alas, largely brainwashed (cf Harrison's last album) in its support for the crazed wars of conquest now ongoing. W's "cowboy" role is just that, an act he puts on as part of this game to discredit America and the freedom (such as is left) that is its virtue on the world stage in one of the penultimate acts toward the establishment of a world government. And the faux cowboy doesn't control jack shit.
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Sept 16, 2003 4:16:23 GMT
Tell us how you REALLY feel, Total. ;D
(By the way, I totally agree: It's afauling!)
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Post by gharryson on Sept 16, 2003 5:04:43 GMT
'There is alot of material which casts aspersions upon Yoko. Fred Seaman's book, for one'
"I am indeed guilty of violating your trust," Mr Seaman confessed to Ms Ono in his apology. He added: "After 20 years I ask for your forgiveness. I did steal items from you belonging to you and John.
"I wrote things about you and your family that were factually incorrect. I ask you to find it in your heart to forgive me so I can move on with my life."
this was from Frederic Seaman
this is from a lady who had just the luck to be staying in the same hotel with John and Yoko and got to interview them...her name is Patricia A. Farrell, Phd:
"I must say that when I met him, he floored me because I was expecting a brash rock & roller and he wasn't anything like that. I found him to be extremely polite, quiet, thoughtful and totally devoted to his wife. I came away with a very different opinion of him and I expect that he must have affected other people the same way. I think that he was quite bright and was really interested in helping the cause of world peace.
This excerpt is from Ray Colemans book "Lennon"
Elliot Mintz, John's closest male friend in America since 1971, says it was Yoko who said May should accompany John. 'Obviously,' says Mintz, 'for John Lennon to go alone to Los Angeles, where he'd never been before except with the Beatles, was out of the question. Here was a man who had not driven a car in America, could not walk into a supermarket and purchase food, who couldn't take his laundry to the corner, who didn't make phone calls, didn't know how to compute a tip on a bill, didn't know where to locate restaurants, and who knew hardly anyone in Los Angeles except me. He would have been totally helpless. It was practical to send his secretary, May Pang, with him to look after him. I suppose Yoko knew it was likely there would be intimacy between the two of them. She took a mature view, knowing John: "Better with May Pang than galloping around with the golden groupies." 'And Yoko believd May could handle it. May did not smoke, drink or take drugs, she was not part of any weird Los Angeles orgy scene.'But it was never a love match, says Mintz, who saw them together often. 'To think that John ran off with May to leave Yoko Ono would require a remarkable suspension in logic. John could not sustain May's company for more than a matter of hours without incredible fatigue setting in. It was not a love affair. It was a relationship born out of the convienence of the moment. I do not wish to publicly embarrass the lady. She did a fairly effective job of doing just that in her own book. It is one thing to merchandise the memories but her contention that she was the other woman in John's life is nonsense. May contrived a quasi-fictional scenario in an attempt to give form to a relationship that was not there. From the moment John met Yoko to the last hour of his life, she was the only woman who shared his love.'
Yes she was one of the reasons the Beatles broke up......but not the only one....
she controlled john...don't think so....to many people who were the 'hired help' or not says sometimes he was uncontrollable....even Sean remembers his fathers outbursts.
Julian got what john wanted him to have....they didn't have a good relationship before he died...john himself said that julian 'has to talk to me' basically whether he wanted to or not....and according to another interview from Mintz-Yoko even gave Julian money without John knowing it...again there is a photo (if i can find it i will post it or ask my computer literate friend 9 to for me..lol) of a smiling Yoko Julian and Cynthia together I think that Julian would have like his mom to have more than she did....more than for him....and maybe she should have....don't know what the situation on that was...
Having something to do with Lennons death....fine then why not a car crash, plane crash , fire, or whatever.....having someone do it then "hang around" to be arrested doesn't make sense...maybe if he ran away or even tried to get away...but just to hang around....get caught and maybe say something even years later.....doesn't make sense.......
Yoko did not run ahead of John to get out of the way....she got out first....all i got to add is out off all this, I just wish the hell the limo driver just drove right on in......then maybe we wouldn't even be debating this....nobody has put any facts up at all...we can debate this till the cows come home about what we think....(innocent until proven guilty comes to mind)...when it comes from family..ie beatles or lennons or onos or someone besides John's hired help...i'll sit up and listen...
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