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Post by Perplexed on Feb 16, 2005 14:18:30 GMT
OK, Mr. Lennon, I read you loud and clear. It's in the cheeks. As per: http://*banned link*/robcaps/caps1.jpg[/img] Check out the cheeks here: http://*banned link*/robcaps/caps5.jpg[/img] Clearly, from first run footage of Help! They left some Paul in. But, here, they replaced him. No Paul, and no walrus jowls: http://*banned link*/robcaps/caps4.jpg[/img] I agree, the two photos, Paul looks remarkably similar. But, I think the latter is billy. I have one more jowly James Paul picture somewhere--misplaced it. I say "jowly" kiddingly; not a matter of being fat, he was just born with sharp, deep naso-labial lines that became very pronounced as soon as he got anywhere close to a smile. It is as if he had a permanent "O" around his mouth, a feature that was necessary to reproduce in the successor. NOW I see where it comes from.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Feb 16, 2005 14:28:03 GMT
All that from original footage? The digital imaging industry was born in Canada.
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Post by beatled on Feb 16, 2005 17:29:00 GMT
All that from original footage? Nope, this is from stills of the DVD. I think Perplexed is proposing (and I've come to believe him) that original footage is almost non-existant. Some was left in, stuff that couldn't be re-shot easily, and shots of JPM from far away, helps confuse the issue.. If I may, a post you made a while back on this issue: 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=Essential&thread=1088065130&action=display&start=16That version of Help! may be long gone, yes..
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Post by abbey on Feb 16, 2005 17:47:55 GMT
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Post by beatled on Feb 16, 2005 17:53:23 GMT
From the Help! promo, but these particular frames were not in the movie. (although there were some similar) I notice there a graininess mismatch from frame to frame as well. Also, it may be the angle, but the window masonry looks different from frame to frame. (Perplexed's window shots) JPM: (?) http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/helppromo1.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/helppromo2.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/helppromo3.jpg[/img]
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Post by abbey on Feb 16, 2005 18:00:17 GMT
Thank you, JoJo. I would LOVE to see someone take a similar photo of Bill & put him next to Paul in the second photo that you posted. It will be painfully obvious to anyone who is willing to see that 1) he's ALOT taller than Paul was & 2) that he's built totally differently than Paul was ! It's definitely Paul in those photos ! It's obvious to me that in those 3 photos, Paul looks significantly SHORTER than John & George ! Why do they all have their arms up ? Ritchie looks like he's completely out of it. Like he's disassociated himself from the scene.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Feb 16, 2005 18:10:05 GMT
From the Help! promo, but these particular frames were not in the movie. (although there were some similar) I notice there a graininess mismatch from frame to frame as well. Also, it may be the angle, but the window masonry looks different from frame to frame. JPM: (?) http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/helppromo1.jpg [/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/helppromo2.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/helppromo3.jpg[/img][/quote] ...they seems "still" genuine but.... the reference about Paul true look is already on at: digilander.libero.it/p_truth/index.html..and my avatar is good too ...
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Post by beatled on Feb 16, 2005 22:24:32 GMT
Agreed, as is mine. I know the source too.. Still, it's another thing to be aware of, I think Perplexed has a most fined tuned facial recognition ability.. Really.. I'll throw in the rest of the caps I made Perplexed, and see what you all think... Btw, I includeed Ringo, because he looks a little older and like it's a much colder day in the third still. http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/PDVD_008.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/PDVD_010.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/PDVD_015.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/PDVD_016.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/PDVD_019.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/PDVD_017.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/PDVD_018.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/PDVD_013.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/PDVD_014.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/PDVD_012.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/PDVD_007.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/PDVD_005.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/PDVD_006.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/PDVD_009.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/PDVD_000.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/PDVD_001.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/PDVD_002.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/PDVD_003.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/miscstills/Morehelp/PDVD_004.jpg[/img]
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Post by beatled on Feb 17, 2005 0:25:18 GMT
It's obvious to me that in those 3 photos, Paul looks significantly SHORTER than John & George ! Why do they all have their arms up ? I agree, even allowing for perspective, Paul really looks small. Oh they have their arms up because the bad guys have invaded the castle.. It was a silly plot, but the songs being performed more than made up for it! ;D
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Post by abbey on Feb 17, 2005 17:52:22 GMT
JoJo, that was because he was a small man. He obviously hated it, since he went to all the trouble of purchasing special shoes & boots with lifts built into them. That way, he would appear to be around the same height as John & George when he was wearing them. You could usually tell when he wasn't wearing them because alot of the time he would push himself up on his toes as the photo was being taken. To give himself some much needed height I honestly don't know what the big deal was. The girls loved him no matter what height he was that day ;D What edition of Help are the photo captures from ? I have the 1987 VHS version. Has that been tampered with ? I won't lie. Right now, I can't tell which end is up Is it Paul in all of the captures that you posted ? If not, could you tell me which ones have been tampered with. Or, repost them with Paul or Faul next to them, for reference. I honestly thought that the 1987 version on VHS was all Paul ! About Ritchie, I have to agree. He does look older in the 3rd still
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Post by beatled on Feb 19, 2005 4:57:23 GMT
What edition of Help are the photo captures from ? I have the 1987 VHS version. Has that been tampered with ? I won't lie. Right now, I can't tell which end is up Is it Paul in all of the captures that you posted ? If not, could you tell me which ones have been tampered with. Or, repost them with Paul or Faul next to them, for reference. I honestly thought that the 1987 version on VHS was all Paul ! Well here's the thing.. if he's right, then by and large it wouldn't matter if you have the VHS version, anything appearing after 1968 or so would have been a reshoot. Well ok, there may have been some fine tuning between VHS to DVD, but the method that would have been available to change history (at the time) would only be a reshoot. (one would think) Perplexed has observed something wrong, out of place, a different face primarily, although there were a few other things, the greenery on the island for one. Reshoot or perhaps as BeatlePaul has said, the birth of the video manipulation industry. Well, a reshoot is video manipulation alright! Perplexed, if I may, your observations: Ski scenes, all JPM. Bathroom scene with the crazy hand dryer: all JPM Bahamas: Bill with an occasional frame of original footage, but maybe perhaps none with JPM. That's why the ill fitting jeans..
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Post by TotalInformation on Feb 19, 2005 6:57:38 GMT
For timeline purposes -- Doing promo work for the Yellow Submarione film. Geroge and faux-Paul cleanshaven, Ringo with maybe 60 hrs growth, max...
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Post by abbey on Feb 20, 2005 15:28:55 GMT
JoJo - thank you. Wow !
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Post by Delta on Feb 21, 2005 22:25:20 GMT
i'm still not convinced on the reshooting thing. plain old doctoring is still my favourite explanation for all the discrepancies. i think one has to see the movie itself to judge if bill or paul himself (doctored, that is) is in "help". notice the way he moves, talks and does things. that's the key. i did, however, noticed some similarities in the next two pictures. heavy doctoring? an odd shot? a bit of both? something else?
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Post by TheDZ on Mar 17, 2005 5:53:36 GMT
All that from original footage? The digital imaging industry was born in Canada. Yep. Didn't anybody go , huh? when they found out the computer special effects for Jurassic Park were shopped out to an Ontario company? All those Hollywood millions and they go to Canada? Jurrassic Park was visually stunning precisely because of the CG effects and all the attention to detail that they required. Very plausible IMO
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Post by abbey on Mar 17, 2005 18:49:45 GMT
Delta - I agree. Those two photos. HMMMM. 1st one is definitely James paul. Looks to me like they tried to base Bill's look on Paul from that period His face STILL looks fake though Paul's face was shorter & fuller, Bill's longer & thinner
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 17, 2005 22:59:47 GMT
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Post by beatled on Mar 18, 2005 3:43:58 GMT
Didn't they do that (finish the movie) by using another actor, then superimposing Brandon's face/body over his? I swear I remember seeing a show on TV explaining it that way.
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Post by abbey on Mar 18, 2005 15:32:47 GMT
Yes they did. I remember seeing a special on that also.
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Post by TPIMaster on Mar 23, 2005 10:15:14 GMT
The walrus was Paul indeed. Look at the teeth, maybe even the chin...
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Post by Michelle66 on Mar 23, 2005 10:39:39 GMT
The walrus was Paul indeed. Look at the teeth, maybe even the chin... Wow. Where did you find this photo?
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Post by TPIMaster on Mar 23, 2005 10:58:13 GMT
Magical Mystery Tour cover
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 23, 2005 11:12:43 GMT
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Post by abbey on Mar 23, 2005 16:52:29 GMT
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 23, 2005 17:57:49 GMT
Yes it seems Billy Shepherd with Faul lower denture prosthesis. James Paul McCartney smile had not that "problem" with the lower lip.
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