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Post by Moped on Mar 9, 2005 23:11:46 GMT
Hi I'm Moped. Looks like the Macca4ever crew is spamming their FUD in the guest comments thread. Anyway, hopefully I can make some contributions!
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Post by gracemer on Mar 9, 2005 23:30:50 GMT
FUD? That's a new one on me. I saw you over there on the guest board. Welcome aboard.
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Post by Moped on Mar 10, 2005 6:38:38 GMT
Oh, that's my inner geek manifesting itself... FUD stands for"Fear, Uncertainty,and Doubt", and has it's origins with IBM spreading misinformation about competitors, back in the early days of personal computing. The term has since become more generalized, at least amongst geeks, to include any type of misinformation deliberately spread by a group with an agenda, usually by the majority, or one that shares popular, safe beliefs. Then, as now, it's deliberate BS intended to "scare"and confuse people out of daring to consider stepping outside the box. A lof of the PIA agenda is just that. Anyway, thanks for the welcome!
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Post by abbey on Mar 10, 2005 17:32:37 GMT
Moped - that is exactly what they're about !!! [glow=red,2,300] [/glow] Sis ;D
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Post by Moped on Mar 11, 2005 4:24:32 GMT
Thanks! The continued denial is weird. I don't think convincing them is going to go anywhere, but maybe we can take some wind out of their sails. ;D
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Post by abbey on Mar 11, 2005 16:43:52 GMT
I still can't get over those fades. I KNOW that Paul is dead. Heck, as far as I'm concerned the photo evidence is undeniable. It's unmistakeable. If you put Bill next to Paul the differences are self evident. How the HELL are they doing those fades PAUL: BILL: PAUL: BILL: PAUL: BILL: PAUL: BILL:
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Post by gracemer on Mar 11, 2005 18:33:31 GMT
Yes sis, it's really bizarred--they do it all over m4e. They're changing something. I just can't put my finger on it. Perhaps Beatle Paul can tell us what they're doing?
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 11, 2005 22:21:42 GMT
SMA ....WHERE have you find that picture? On Cacca4ever perhaps? The original is that on the right.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 11, 2005 22:23:15 GMT
Oh, that's my inner geek manifesting itself... FUD stands for"Fear, Uncertainty,and Doubt", and has it's origins with IBM spreading misinformation about competitors, back in the early days of personal computing. The term has since become more generalized, at least amongst geeks, to include any type of misinformation deliberately spread by a group with an agenda, usually by the majority, or one that shares popular, safe beliefs. Then, as now, it's deliberate BS intended to "scare"and confuse people out of daring to consider stepping outside the box. A lof of the PIA agenda is just that. Anyway, thanks for the welcome! Very interesting note. BTW I was from IBM and all that is completely true. Welcome on board P.S FUD souds like "food"?
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Post by Perplexed on Mar 12, 2005 7:26:43 GMT
No. "FUD" rhymes with "DUD", or, "blood."
Elmer Fudd.
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Post by Moped on Mar 12, 2005 18:35:37 GMT
I still can't get over those fades. I KNOW that Paul is dead. Heck, as far as I'm concerned the photo evidence is undeniable. It's unmistakeable. If you put Bill next to Paul the differences are self evident. How the HELL are they doing those fades Yeah, their fades are annoying, and they're flawed since they're relying on tricks to make them work: "aligning" make-up and shadows, fuzzing the resolution to blur the details, and cropping out the parts of the skull that don't match.
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Post by Moped on Mar 12, 2005 19:01:35 GMT
SMA ....WHERE have you find that picture? On Cacca4ever perhaps? The original is that on the right. Here are a couple from macca-central: I didn't check them all, but there were quite a few like this, distorted the same way. This isn't just some random graphic sloppiness, this is 100% deliberate.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 12, 2005 22:17:30 GMT
FANTASTIC WORK AGAIN HERE MOPED!
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Post by beatled on Mar 13, 2005 0:34:14 GMT
Heh! I could write a book... or a thread...I've seen some pretty amusing efforts, but this one takes the cake. I can't find the originals at the moment, but one look at these and you won't need a comparison to see there was serious nonsense going on here. The two stills they used, and the fade: http://*banned link*/Shoebox/MBpics/paul.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/MBpics/faul.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/MBpics/mbfade.gif[/img] http://*banned link*/smilies/lol.gif[/img] http://*banned link*/smilies/1rof1.gif[/img] Edit: Now I remember what the "point" of this was, and so I don't get accused of misrepresentation, this was the deal: The argument was that if you took a pic of JPM, put longer hair and a mustache on it, you get a "pepper Paul". Ok, the problem is that the JPM pic is distorted, and the "Pepper Paul" pic was fudged with shadows and black splotches (giving the illusion of length in the vertical direction) to the point that it's a complete work of fiction. So this proves...what? I'm surprised we didn't see a resulting fade with the real Pepper Bill..
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Post by beldabeast on Mar 13, 2005 2:33:41 GMT
Heh! I could write a book... or a thread...I've seen some pretty amusing efforts, but this one takes the cake. I can't find the originals at the moment, but one look at these and you won't need a comparison to see there was serious nonsense going on here. The two stills they used, and the fade: I burst out laughing when I saw these pictures . WHO do these guys think they are kidding ? And WHY are they deliberately posting false evidence ? We already have been through this photo -stretching business well over a year ago . I thought we were well past this . http://*banned link*/Shoebox/MBpics/paul.jpg [/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/MBpics/faul.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/Shoebox/MBpics/mbfade.gif[/img] http://*banned link*/smilies/lol.gif[/img] http://*banned link*/smilies/1rof1.gif[/img][/quote]
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Post by beatled on Mar 13, 2005 3:48:37 GMT
Exactly. But they are still focusing on this one little tree in the big 'ol forest. Seriously though, it demonstrates the method of photo doctoring the pros might possibly use, although obviously not in this amateurish manner. The idea being move images of each man in the direction of the other, so...they can't be blamed for being observant..
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Post by Power 2 The People on Mar 13, 2005 4:01:35 GMT
Here are two more from MaccaCentral. Like night and day. They have eyes but cannot see.
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Post by beatled on Mar 13, 2005 4:46:22 GMT
Hehe, you must remember this gem then PTTP.. Trotting out an argument as old as the start of the rumors.. It's the BEARD, stupid! http://*banned link*/smilies/1doh1.gif[/img] http://*banned link*/paulbeard/paulbeard.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/paulbeard/paulbeard2.jpg[/img]
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Post by PaulBearer on Mar 13, 2005 4:55:04 GMT
This is a Flaming Pie post on MaccaFunHouse. I just wondered what sneaky thing he has done here to pull this off.
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Post by beatled on Mar 13, 2005 5:17:19 GMT
That's Paul with a Frankenstein's monster skull cap, lol. You could put an afro on Paul's head, that don't make him Linc from the Mod Squad. I think someone did that once for fun.. ;D
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Post by Power 2 The People on Mar 13, 2005 5:28:25 GMT
Hehe, you must remember this gem then PTTP.. Trotting out an argument as old as the start of the rumors.. It's the BEARD, stupid! http://*banned link*/smilies/1doh1.gif [/img] http://*banned link*/paulbeard/paulbeard.jpg[/img] http://*banned link*/paulbeard/paulbeard2.jpg[/img][/quote] I'll have some of what FP's smoking if he thinks the beard makes them look the same.
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Post by BeatlePaul on Mar 13, 2005 7:59:51 GMT
People don't remember that: Bill was set up to be as more as possible similiar to Paul, on the contrary,The Beatles and all the rest of the organization would risk too much. Many Billy's early photos were "Paulizer". When people got used to see Billy then the old Paul's photos were "Faulizer" and many "vintage" documents reprinted too.
Candid photos of Billy show his true "long and winding" face.
See his last book cover too. Since Linda has died the doctored photos were few
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Post by Moped on Mar 13, 2005 14:42:23 GMT
FANTASTIC WORK AGAIN HERE MOPED! Thanks BP. I realize this board is already well aware of the photo distortions, and that it's an "old subject", but it continues to happen, and the PIA people continue to rely on fakery. PIA folks love the Faul on the Sgt. Pepper cover and gatefold, but they really hate that red pepper photo, huh? ;D
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Post by Moped on Mar 13, 2005 15:02:54 GMT
Heh! I could write a book... or a thread...I've seen some pretty amusing efforts, but this one takes the cake. This is a Flaming Pie post on MaccaFunHouse. I just wondered what sneaky thing he has done here to pull this off. When fades fail, try another approach...It's frightening to see the sheer amount of work these guys do. This is what bothers me the most about them.
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Post by Moped on Mar 13, 2005 15:10:57 GMT
Here are two more from MaccaCentral. Like night and day. They have eyes but cannot see. One bright light in this Faul=Paul tunnel is that the M4Eers can't use these obviously stretched photos for their comparisons, as many of them can easily be cross-referenced, thanks to the wonderful resource of JPM.org. So that's a good chunk of their ammo gone right there.
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