60IF 2nd girl

[OceanChild]

"The second girl who was with them, however, had the presence of mind to run away. "

Sunking, is the identity of this 2nd girl known??!

[SunKing]

It was a spy.
I have no further news about.
Some clues about in Beatles' songs.

[Darkhorse]

Sun King, can you give us the songs that have the clues in them?

[SunKing]

Polythene Pam (Lennon/McCartney)


Well you should see Polythene Pam
She's so good-looking but she looks like a man
Well you should see her in drag dressed in her polythene bag
Yes you should see Polythene Pam.
Yeah yeah yeah

Get a dose of her in jackboots and kilt
She's killer-diller when she's dressed to the hilt
She's the kind of a girl that makes the "News of the World"
Yes you could say she was attractively built.
Yeah yeah yeah.



Sexy Sadie (Lennon/McCartney)

Sexy Sadie what have you done
You made a fool of everyone
You made a fool of everyone
Sexy Sadie ooh what have you done.

Sexy Sadie you broke the rules
You layed it down for all to see
You layed it down for all to see
Sexy Sadie oooh you broke the rules.

One sunny day the world was waiting for a lover
She came along to turn on everyone
Sexy Sadie the greatest of them all.

Sexy Sadie how did you know
The world was waiting just for you
The world was waiting just for you
Sexy Sadie oooh how did you know.

Sexy Sadie you'll get yours yet
However big you think you are
However big you think you are
Sexy Sadie oooh you'll get yours yet.

We gave her everything we owned just to sit at her table
Just a smile would lighten everything
Sexy Sadie she's the latest and the greatest of them all.

She made a fool of everyone
Sexy Sadie.

However big you think you are
Sexy Sadie.

[Darkhorse]

Thanks SK. These songs must be referrring to the transvestite that Brian picked up at the airport on September 11, 1966. She was there to make sure 'everything went well'. However, I thought there was one more girl.

[LordChinfist]

At least from what I have read, Polythene Pam is supposed to be about a mythical prostitute in Liverpool, and Sexy Sadie is about the Maharishi and John's perception that he was a phony, likely referring to how he did not get the answers from him he was expecting and after the Maharishi's more material sexual interests in Mia Farrow.

At least this is what has been published, but I suppose that does not necessarily mean those songs may not have other meanings as well.

[TotalInformation]

What's the reference on Epstein getting a tranny?

And can anyone expound on how Sadie would be the other girl?

Was she killed? From whose POV is the song written?

[Eggman]

POLYTHENE PAM
Although John initially insisted that 'Polythene Pam' was about "a mythical Liverpool scrubber (promiscuous girl or grupie) dressed up in her jackboots and kilt", the song was actually based on two people who he had known. The name came from Pat Dawson (then Pat Hodgett), a Beatles' fan from the Cavern Club days who, because of her habit of eating polythene, was known to the group as Polythene Pat. "I started going to see the Beatles in 1961 when I was 14 and I got quite friendly with them," she remembers. "If they were playing out of town they'd give me a lift back home in their van. It was about the same time that I started getting called Polythene Pat. It's embarrassing really. I just used to eat polythene all the time. I'd tie it in knots and then eat it. Sometimes I even used to burn it and then eat it when it got cold. Then I had a friend who got a job in a polythene bag factory, which was wonderful because it meant I had a constant supply."

But Polythene Pat never dressed up in polythene bags as the song says. That little quirk was taken from an incident involving a girl called Stephanie, who John met in the Channel Islands while on tour in August 1963.

Although John wouldn't elaborate when he spoke to Playboy in 1980, he did supply a few clues. "(Polythene Pam) was me remembering a little event with a woman in Jersey, and a man who was England's answer to Allen Ginsberg, who gave us our first exposure..."

[TotalInformation]

Interesting, Eggman, where did you get that info?

Re; Lennon, "and a man who was England's answer to Allen Ginsberg, who gave us our first exposure..." -- that would seem to be a reference to Epstein.

But who, then is Pam from Jersey? And of what gender?

[PaulBearer]

Oceanchild,

Sorry, I think some people here misunderstood. The second girl who ran away wasn't the spy, it was the other one.

We think the one who ran away (the witness) may have been Maggie McGivern or possibly Jane Asher herself, particularly if she had secretly married Paul about a month earlier as we suspect she might have. See other threads on this.

[SunKing]

James Paul's death allegory (from Sgt. Pepper front cover)

Brian Epstein's death allegory (from Sgt. Pepper front cover)

[Eggman]

More about Polythene Pam:

The "little event with a woman", as John described it, actually took place on the Channel island of Guernsey, not Jersey, when John met up with Ellis who had a summer job there as a ferry boat engineer. After the Beatles' concerts at the Auditorium in Guersey on August 8, Ellis and his girlfriend Stephanie took John back to the attic flat Ellis was renting and this is where the polythene came into the story. "(Ellis) said Miss X (a girl he wanted me to meet) dressed up in polythene," John later remembered. "She did. She didn't wear jackboots and kilts. I just sort of elaborated. Perverted sex in a polythene bag. I was just looking for something to write about."

And another view:

Mandy Rice-Davies & Christine Keeler, the ladies of the 1963 Profumo scandal in Britain.
Some have suggested that Rice-Davies, may be "Polythene Pam."

[PaulBearer]

Note that Paul's girl has dark hair, thereby ruling out Jane as the witness and making it far more likely to be Maggie or perhaps a complete unknown.