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Post by burntangel on Sept 3, 2003 18:48:45 GMT
Hi. New guy here.
Been reading it all and studying the issue for over six months, longer even. I agree with the conclusions that a double was put into place, for whatever reasons.
Given some more time, which I don't have right now, I would like to comment on many issues not being considered in detail.
Mainly, the intelligence agency issues. And there are a bunch.
Paul was murdered. They spun the story to the beatles to disinform. This is a common misdirect used when creating Black Ops programs where control of the players is paramount.
Yoko is Illuminati. She comes from one of the wealthiest banking families in Japan, tho she tries to hide it. There are photos in existence showing her doing Satanic rituals and keeping company with a bevy of of intelligence assetts that are well known to us.
The KKK was a misdirect. There were many and they will be listed, in the next few days.
Faul can't come clean. He - as we are - is well aware of how painful assassination can be, given George and John. WOuld you? Never. He would never make to the press conference alive, he knows this. If he blurted spontaneously, they would ERASE him and the blurt would never see the light of day or possibly even remain in the studio more than two hours after his mistake.
ITs a house of cards. One with many links to many current issues still in play, after all these years. The machine has an ongoing vested interest in keeping history exactly as they want the world to see it. Understand?
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Post by Eggman on Sept 3, 2003 18:56:07 GMT
WELCOME!!! ;D Sorry, do you really know all this or is just your opinion?
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Post by xpt626 on Sept 3, 2003 19:11:27 GMT
WELCOME burntangel!!
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Post by burntangel on Sept 3, 2003 19:11:30 GMT
My apologies for not being clearer.
Just a few summations, considering the overwhelming evidence.
Some of the things I would like to do, is break down the many verbal and visual cues in the original VHS anthology story, mainly by using the body language of Faul, where you can see he is LYING through his teeth about knowledge up to 67.
FOr example, he uses a known intelligence breifing tool of eye direction for memory recall. He purposely overplays this (looking up and to the left - speaking truthfully.) Watch the tapes again, with this knowledge. Then, after 67, in the interview series, he is NOW relying on his own memories as they ARE his own, late 66 onward - BUT HE NO LONGER LOOKS UP AND TO THE LEFT, dropping his training as its not needed. This kind of inconsistency when interviewing a perp is devestating to FAUL.
Big mistake. And a huge one.
Regards intell and pics, I can get them and will.
That's a promise.
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Post by Eggman on Sept 3, 2003 19:14:58 GMT
Yes!!! That's a good observation!!! He seems more relax talking about the post 66' period.
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Post by xpt626 on Sept 3, 2003 19:17:01 GMT
My apologies for not being clearer. Just a few summations, considering the overwhelming evidence. Some of the things I would like to do, is break down the many verbal and visual cues in the original VHS anthology story, mainly by using the body language of Faul, where you can see he is LYING through his teeth about knowledge up to 67. FOr example, he uses a known intelligence breifing tool of eye direction for memory recall. He purposely overplays this (looking up and to the left - speaking truthfully.) Watch the tapes again, with this knowledge. Then, after 67, in the interview series, he is NOW relying on his own memories as they ARE his own, late 66 onward - BUT HE NO LONGER LOOKS UP AND TO THE LEFT, dropping his training as its not needed. This kind of inconsistency when interviewing a perp is devestating to FAUL. Big mistake. And a huge one. Regards intell and pics, I can get them and will. That's a promise. FABULOUS!! I'm looking forward to reading more....
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Post by burntangel on Sept 3, 2003 19:23:59 GMT
A few more points. I was trained in NLP, body language analysis, and other things. I also am a musician of many years. I was born in '59.
Watch Faul's body language...closely. Zoom in on his pupils when talking. He's in a layer-one disassociative state, from hypnosis. This clue, for me, indicates that he has undergone MKultra work.
This makes sense, given he was drawn by MI5 from a MILITARY POOL, Mal's friendship not-wistanding. Don't you find it odd, that after being hounded by every McCartney wannabe, Mal would waste time with some loser in Canada, busy as he was? WHo arranged that meet and why?
And Mal was erased. We may never know how much of that meeting had issues that the machine could not afford to stand out there, esp with a man, in LA, who was..."talking" and in grief. The two men on the LA police report who killed him were the same two guys (CIA long term coverts in the LAPD) who did Robert Kennedy, that night. Check it out.
THis whole thing has agency written allover it, in blood.
And the players are killed off. Think about it for a moment. Almost all the inner players have been either knighted or killed - one or the other.
How many other deaths - cops in London, medical examiners, grave diggers, bell captains, stewardesses, and other witnessess, like the girls, who have died? Is the number over fifty? More?
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Post by LUCY on Sept 3, 2003 19:36:53 GMT
The body count is not important to the role players.
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Post by burntangel on Sept 3, 2003 19:45:48 GMT
at the end of the day, we may be punished for our kindnessess...
The house of cards, if it falls publicly, cannot. HEre's why: then all those deaths, accidents, and other hit-vic profiles in evidence would come to the light of day. Many of these intel people are alive and well, in their respective roles.
You cannot rely upon anything post 66 for information, as it may come from England vis a vis, Apple and all that. It's an ongoing coverup, with the majors still in play. Ono, McCartney, Martin, Starr, and dozens of others. This point has already been well made on this board.
The whole druggy acid thing came, IMO, after FAUL. And what was dookey boy doing in his very first press conference in 1-18-67? Selling dope to the people, esp acid, a known CIA (now at least) mind control drug. Many of the CIA and MI6 operatives of the sixties have now been exposed since that time as the intelligence operatives they were. Ginsberg, Keysey, others.
Real bummer, actually. Peace, Love, Dope. and from 67 onward, straight from Faul.
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Post by SunKing on Sept 3, 2003 19:48:57 GMT
burntangel: [glow=red,2,300]WELCOME!!![/glow]
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Post by burntangel on Sept 3, 2003 20:03:29 GMT
Even though John did a great job with the clues and all that, has anyone looked into - in detail - Faul's solo stuff in post years?
It took George to do it. But, he knew the risks. I mean, a killer gets through his security system? Never in a million years.
The rule of assassination is: The Palace Guards must always be in on it. Witness the details of JFK's hit, Lennon's, and others. This means that George and all the other major players are constantly surrounded by intel people - for control or cleanup, as needs warrant.
The devil is in the details. Who was in charge of Georg'es security? How could it fail? Who left the many doors open and the system turned OFF? And so on.
These kind of obvious messages have to weigh heavily on the remaining majors, in or out of play.
See it?
(oh. Thank you all for the kind welcome.)
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Post by Forum Manager on Sept 3, 2003 20:38:40 GMT
hey welcome! ;D i enjoy all your posts! you have put much thought into them! keep up the good work!
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Post by burntangel on Sept 3, 2003 21:05:31 GMT
Another thing...
The rumor of the beatles being a tavistock creation doesn't hold. The agency, via doctors and dentists on CIA and MI5/6 payroll, were actually distributors of acid in the mid-sixties. This has been well-established, esp on the internet.
And george and John's first LSD trip came from a what? A dentist, who, as it later turned out, was also into - OTO and wife swapping. Dr. Roberts CIA connections have been well established since then.
BUt, the beatles weren't selling it. Faul steps in, and right off the bat, its all about acid. I'm sure they dug it at first, but when the manipulation by the agencies started becoming apparent to the remaining boys, they distanced themselves from it, as George and John have publicly stated (playboy, anthology, other sources.)
MMT is a druggy album. I had it back in the day...smoke pot, smoke pot, everybody smoke pot. Pot isn't a bad thing, tho it kills ambition and aspiration, but not creativity.
IMO, the control came in with FAUL. He spun the hard drug thing - potions - into the world. WHich is what, when you compare with other CIA assetts at the time who were also pushing acid on the many, makes sense. Faul doing it alone doesn[t jibe with agency control, but when compared to other agency assetts in the world, pushing it at the exact same time, then the influence of the beatles becomes paramount if you wan the "kids" to accept it at a time when everyone waited on bated breath for the next beatle album, as I did as a kid. The beatles set the standard, muscially and socially. They, where thusly, neeeded to ensure social acceptance of first pot, then the hard stuff, which was the goal.
The CIA and MI gangsters roles in the pushing of hard narcotics int he sixties and seventies is, again, well-known. Search the net for those terms and the results are in the hundreds of thousands. Its all out there.
Yoko was a control. John had been profiled and they found his profile in an eastern woman of the world, who could help him make sense of his pain. She exactly came into his life, in November 66? How very Farking Convenient. WOnder if John, in the afterlife, realizes (sure he does) WHAT a dupe he was all those years.
Damn tragedy of world proportions.
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Sept 3, 2003 22:03:59 GMT
A few more points. I was trained in NLP, body language analysis, and other things. I also am a musician of many years. I was born in '59. Watch Faul's body language...closely. Zoom in on his pupils when talking. He's in a layer-one disassociative state, from hypnosis. This clue, for me, indicates that he has undergone MKultra work. Please elaborate. It sounds like a lot to be able to see , and most of us don't know what a layer-one dissassociative state is relative to layer 2, 3, or whatever. Just guessing here, but I would bet that I am in a layer one dissassociative state every morning 'til I've had coffee. And wouldn't a little weed do the same?
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Post by byrdsmaniac on Sept 3, 2003 22:09:31 GMT
My apologies for not being clearer. Just a few summations, considering the overwhelming evidence. Some of the things I would like to do, is break down the many verbal and visual cues in the original VHS anthology story, mainly by using the body language of Faul, where you can see he is LYING through his teeth about knowledge up to 67. FOr example, he uses a known intelligence breifing tool of eye direction for memory recall. He purposely overplays this (looking up and to the left - speaking truthfully.) Watch the tapes again, with this knowledge. Then, after 67, in the interview series, he is NOW relying on his own memories as they ARE his own, late 66 onward - BUT HE NO LONGER LOOKS UP AND TO THE LEFT, dropping his training as its not needed. What you are saying here is that since we all tend to look up and to the left when recalling things (standard body language), Faul is deliberately doing this to hide the fact that he's lying. Is that correct?
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Post by burntangel on Sept 4, 2003 0:28:16 GMT
Direct gaze, over the nose - dead on truth.
Direct and up, remembering a personal event, not a memorized fact.
Up and to the left, truth being referenced from a memorized fact. Or, sorting through a list of memorized facts (eyes moving or dancing) and choosing.
Down and to the right, truth being invented on the fly.
There are tons of patterns.
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Just was watching tape 8 again...
God, you really have to feel for those guys. I keep wondering how Harrison ever went along with this. What did the folks behind the grey men in suits have on him to get him to submit. Just thinking aloud.
Faul is wearing contacts. You can see in tape 8 of the anthology, a clear bubble ring early contact lenses use to have. Remember? Faul is wearing contacts. Just look at the FFCU (full frame close ups) of the beatles on that tape.
And Faul...gotta be the worst and weirdest assignment ever given a military intelligence operative, ever, in the history of MI5. Think about it. One day you are handling intel stuff in Ontario, working undercover as a hippie - next thing you know, you are tapped to be the ultimate, groovy, hippy of them all.
Talk about a day tripper...
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Post by burntangel on Sept 4, 2003 0:46:44 GMT
Regards McCartney hypnosis. That's tough, because he's a stoner, and since back in the day. I recall even in the late 90s, an admission that he still tokes.
Pot causes disassociation of the cerebral cortex and lowers thought into the limbic system. So does hypnosis. So does TV.
But, having said that, if I combine what I see with some very odd, mechanical gestures people under mind control or other MPD issues, then Faul in many instances, esp the anthology, shows traits of someone who is suffering from being controlled.
It makes sense. YOu are the head of MI5 and you had to kill John to shut him up, plus others. You have a perfected mind control technique and you already have handlers close to the patsy, who can keep the controls in place, as needed. Wouldn't you use it, to avoid future..."problems?"
Sure. If you are capable of killing, a little mind control is a cup of tea.
Bastards.
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Post by TotalInformation on Sept 4, 2003 3:46:41 GMT
Paul was murdered. They spun the story to the beatles to disinform. This is a common misdirect used when creating Black Ops programs where control of the players is paramount.
I totally agree with this.
The two men on the LA police report who killed him were the same two guys (CIA long term coverts in the LAPD) who did Robert Kennedy, that night. Check it out.
I think Euegene Caesar, RFK's bodyguard who worked for Lockheed, pumped the deadly bullets into him. LAPD (officially) didn't show up for 20 minutes. They participated in suppressing the evidence from the gitgo, though, and LAPD has been run by CIA for decades, particularly the Ramparts division. . . Could you be a bit more specific here?
The rumor of the beatles being a tavistock creation doesn't hold. The agency, via doctors and dentists on CIA and MI5/6 payroll, were actually distributors of acid in the mid-sixties.
Ah, but where does one end and the other begin? Many would argue MI6 runs both CIA and Tavistock . . .
Wonder if John, in the afterlife, realizes (sure he does) WHAT a dupe he was all those years.
Good read. I think Lennon feared for Cynthia and Julian and was protecting them by leaving them. He probably thought a woman from a powerful family like Ono would be a good ally, even if he was suspicious on some level.
Faul in many instances, esp the anthology, shows traits of someone who is suffering from being controlled.
Hmm. I think he's probably undergone hypnosis sesssions to have Paul's memories implanted, but I don't know if I would use the term "mind control" (controlled by threats, sure). From my studies, total long-term mind control is very tricky unless work on the subject is started very young.
all the other major players are constantly surrounded by intel people - for control or cleanup, as needs warrant.
Run a google on Heather Mills. She used to be with Adnan Khashoggi !!!
Great insights, burnt. Welcome.
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Post by burntangel on Sept 4, 2003 4:22:43 GMT
Thanks. Also, Mills - why would Paul McCartney "choose" a known intel player on the international circuit. Never consciously, unless the relationship is a deep Monarch programming implant, maintained by his handlers. Look at the Eastman family, big in banking and intel since the first world war.
Just saying some things, from an agency viewpoint, tend to stand out here.
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Post by TotalInformation on Sept 4, 2003 4:26:37 GMT
I definitely thinking conciously choosing a known intel player as a mate (for either Faul or John) is an option. It's too risky to choose an outsider. You need someone you can talk to. . .
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Post by burntangel on Sept 4, 2003 4:27:29 GMT
Regards LAPD. Years ago was doing a reserch thing on RFK for a thing, and found the cops assigned to the Kennedy killing in California, were the same cops who were on the scene with Mal Evans, a fact I filed away at the time as just an interesting footnote.
Now, it's no longer a footnote. The agency owns the LAPD. They use the tools at hand, and at the time, a public police killing sends a very loud message, which is we can get to anyone. The message wouldn'thave been the same, if a car accident, which has the probability issues of debate. A gunning down by LAPD assassins carries major weight, when threats are being reinforced among the faithful...
This whole thing has Black Ops, over and over again.
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Post by PaulBearer on Sept 4, 2003 5:37:18 GMT
burntangel,
Your posts are very welcome!
I'd read (and I've mentioned this on another post) that some celebrities, when they go in for plastic surgery, either knowingly or unknowingly, may have a chip implanted during the operation. Afterwards, they appear to become more "charity" based, spending alot of time supporting apparently good causes - though at the end of the day, these causes really don't mean much - just another diversion for the masses.
Could Faul have had a chip implanted into him at some point?
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Post by beldabeast on Sept 4, 2003 12:55:38 GMT
Another thing... The rumor of the beatles being a tavistock creation doesn't hold. The agency, via doctors and dentists on CIA and MI5/6 payroll, were actually distributors of acid in the mid-sixties. This has been well-established, esp on the internet. And george and John's first LSD trip came from a what? A dentist, who, as it later turned out, was also into - OTO and wife swapping. Dr. Roberts CIA connections have been well established since then. BUt, the beatles weren't selling it. Faul steps in, and right off the bat, its all about acid. I'm sure they dug it at first, but when the manipulation by the agencies started becoming apparent to the remaining boys, they distanced themselves from it, as George and John have publicly stated (playboy, anthology, other sources.) MMT is a druggy album. I had it back in the day...smoke pot, smoke pot, everybody smoke pot. Pot isn't a bad thing, tho it kills ambition and aspiration, but not creativity. IMO, the control came in with FAUL. He spun the hard drug thing - potions - into the world. WHich is what, when you compare with other CIA assetts at the time who were also pushing acid on the many, makes sense. Faul doing it alone doesn[t jibe with agency control, but when compared to other agency assetts in the world, pushing it at the exact same time, then the influence of the beatles becomes paramount if you wan the "kids" to accept it at a time when everyone waited on bated breath for the next beatle album, as I did as a kid. The beatles set the standard, muscially and socially. They, where thusly, neeeded to ensure social acceptance of first pot, then the hard stuff, which was the goal. The CIA and MI gangsters roles in the pushing of hard narcotics int he sixties and seventies is, again, well-known. Search the net for those terms and the results are in the hundreds of thousands. Its all out there. Yoko was a control. John had been profiled and they found his profile in an eastern woman of the world, who could help him make sense of his pain. She exactly came into his life, in November 66? How very Farking Convenient. WOnder if John, in the afterlife, realizes (sure he does) WHAT a dupe he was all those years. Damn tragedy of world proportions. You sound like you know what you are talking about . I like this point you made >>They, where thusly, neeeded to ensure social acceptance of first pot, then the hard stuff, which was the goal.<<< I have long complained at peoples perception that John Lennon was responsible for the drug epidemic when it was so obvious to me the mob and the goverment and the other big shots were behind the whole thing. When you have time , please discuss the "plausible deniability " principle for us .
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Post by victor on Sept 4, 2003 14:31:13 GMT
maybe this is for burntangel...
i have a theory that lennon wrote his OWN version of 60-IF, but that it never got out. it may have been given to someone with the instructions to release it in the event of his death, or even encrypted somehow and "hidden in plain sight". i just don't know...
but john wasn't one to beat around the bush if he had to get something off his chest.....do you think he could have left something for us besides half-assed "clues"?
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Post by zeleny on Sept 4, 2003 23:43:13 GMT
Illuminati are not Satanists. They are an ancient organization like the Masons and the Knights Templar. They are all Christian organizations, and have been controllinbg everything in the world for millenia.
Everything is not Satanism!
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