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Post by Elidor on Oct 3, 2003 21:53:31 GMT
On another 60IF matter, I remain unconvinced by the reasons given on the forum for the Beatles agreeing to go along with the replace Paul plan. The document states that the Beatles "met, Paul could still be kept alive, no-one had to know." The other 3 then begin the process of deception willingly, without any hint that security forces made them.
If this was the case, then the Beatles would have no excuse, other than selfish motives - ie career preservation. If it was the case they were being pushed into it, they could have waited a while, called a press conference and told the truth, rather than stuff albums full of clues and perpetuate a lie. What are the authoriites going to do; start killing people? Look a bit suspicious in view of the information just divulged by the Beatles, surely.
According to 60IF, the Beatles contacted the security services themselves directly (was that on the Beatlephone - the red one that sits on M's desk?) so they appear to have been the instigators.
Any responses most definitely welcome.
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Post by LordChinfist on Oct 3, 2003 22:21:18 GMT
Let's say murdering the Beatles, or their family members, would look suspicious. You may be right (although some might contend that some people connected with Paul have been murdered, even though they never did get the word out). Or maybe they had them blackmailed and would leak negative information about them.
How about this though. Maybe after a couple of years of the charade, the Beatles were already in too deep. If they came out with what happened about Paul (or may have happened depending on your point of view), they may have been implicated in contributing to the coverup of a murder. Or maybe they would have been accused of commercial fraud by using a fake Paul. Or maybe they would have been worried that they would have lost all respect from their fans by carrying on such a charade, and their legacy as a great band would be lost or overshadowed by such a coverup.
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Post by Elidor on Oct 3, 2003 22:27:24 GMT
Why would the other Beatles go along with it for a couple of years? Ultimately, because it was what they wanted, and it was their gig. Accepting your premise, if they were worried about being implicated in covering up the murder, they would only have to point out the involvement of MI5, and subsequent threats (if there were any). 60IF states that the Beatles felt no-one needed to know, and if they went down that road, then they only had themselves to blame. Seems rather unlikely.
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Post by LordChinfist on Oct 3, 2003 22:42:49 GMT
Originally, it may have been a combination of the notion that they wanted to continue the band and the notion that authorities wanted them to continue, and were persuading and encouraging them to continue. This was a very unexpected event, and I'm sure their minds were filled with grief and confusion as to what direction to take. So they continued for a few years. After that they may have felt that revealing M15 or whoever would have brought them down as well. Maybe they were not educated about law very well and were scared as to what could happen and were afraid to tell their lawyers about it. Or maybe their lawyers told them that they would have been brought down. Still, I do believe that the legacy of the Beatles would have been drastically altered, and that may have been something they considered. They would have been remembered less for their great music, and more for trying to fool the public and for fraud.
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Post by Elidor on Oct 3, 2003 22:58:55 GMT
I agree, but no matter how you look at it, it shows them in a bad light - weak or greedy. Ok, they were human, but it doesn't seem to me to be a plausible course of action to take, and I would emphasise that according to 60IF they were the instigators. If true, they perpetrated the biggest fraud of all time. I just can't buy this version of events, and when seen along with other flaws, 60IF seems a rather clumsy attempt at revision.
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Post by LordChinfist on Oct 3, 2003 23:02:09 GMT
Let's not forget they were either on LSD or smoking pot much of the time, so they may not have been thinking straight and did not make the best decisions regarding such an event.
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Post by SunKing on Oct 3, 2003 23:24:32 GMT
Originally, it may have been a combination of the notion that they wanted to continue the band and the notion that authorities wanted them to continue, and were persuading and encouraging them to continue. This was a very unexpected event, and I'm sure their minds were filled with grief and confusion as to what direction to take. So they continued for a few years. After that they may have felt that revealing M15 or whoever would have brought them down as well. Maybe they were not educated about law very well and were scared as to what could happen and were afraid to tell their lawyers about it. Or maybe their lawyers told them that they would have been brought down. Still, I do believe that the legacy of the Beatles would have been drastically altered, and that may have been something they considered. They would have been remembered less for their great music, and more for trying to fool the public and for fraud. LordChinfist: [glow=red,2,300]MASTERPIECE!!! [/glow] Elidor & LordChinfist: Congratulations. Great discussion in this forum has started. At last!
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Post by Scatterdome on Oct 3, 2003 23:26:01 GMT
On another 60IF matter, I remain unconvinced by the reasons given on the forum for the Beatles agreeing to go along with the replace Paul plan. I recently came up with an alternate theory that is independent of the 60IF document. You two (and anyone else reading this) should check it out; I think you'll find the Beatles' motives for replacing Paul, under my theory, were definitely the motives of heroes, not jerks or cowards. Here's the direct link: 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=paul&action=display&thread=1063219993However, a recent discussion brought up an angle that could potentially reveal the Beatles' motives as pure even under the 60IF theory. It begins on the second page of the following thread: 60if.proboards21.com/index.cgi?board=paul&thread=1062117016&action=display&start=0
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Post by TheeCavendeshLane on Oct 4, 2003 0:48:29 GMT
I think at least it was a contractual thing--I think at that time they knew they were way more valuable as a band than as individuals and I think the people that owned the rights to their music felt the same way--some one may have said if you donthave a band you dont have careers. I think the Beatles were controlled in a way that the Rolling Stones werent. I think they had obligations.
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Post by Perplexed on Oct 4, 2003 4:03:12 GMT
I imagine that the British Crown's intelligence services had been studying mountains of film reels showing Beatle concerts, Beatle airport scenes, Beatle fans mobbing, Beatle fads, Beatle album sales, etc etc. They had to have been aware of ALL the repercussions. Perhaps EMI had intelligence moles under employment. Perhaps links to those authorities already existed; I don't think John and George needed the phone number to Scotland Yard. I think as soon as Paul's disappearance was noticed, the authorities were on watch. I don't think the 60IF statement about "we contacted the authorities" should be taken as "we INITIATED contact with the authorities." It probably existed from the beginning of the Beatles fame.
Some may consider the argument about young girls getting so upset at the news they would potentially harm themselves as a red herring. Consider the times. The innocence of the 60's (shattering). I think the authorities really would have considered taking steps to avert that kind of mass tragedy, even it only in the interests of the monarchy, or world scene.
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Post by PaulBearer on Oct 4, 2003 12:47:18 GMT
They went along willingly at first; it was on the understanding that it would all be revealed at the end. But Billy got an ego and betrayed/broke the contract with them and the intelligence services went along with him. Note also that 60IF says that in the beginning John liked the "game" but later the grief for his dead friend started to get the better of him. The intelligence came to the Beatles disguised as an angel of light: "We can solve all your problems, everything can be as before" but it wasn't long before they realised they had walked into a trap that they couldn't get out of...
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Post by LordChinfist on Oct 4, 2003 17:13:59 GMT
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