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Post by Eggman on Oct 21, 2003 14:25:59 GMT
Has anybody an idea why Free As A Bird and Real Love was produced by Jeff Lynne and not by George Martin?  |
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Post by Eggman on Oct 22, 2003 19:27:26 GMT
I see, nobody has an idea!!!! ;D ;D ;D  Feel free to post your laugh here friends!!!! ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Oct 22, 2003 20:18:48 GMT
EGGY.. I do have an idea why. Lynne insinuated himself very tightly with George Harrison; they admired each other's work mutually, and of course Lynne would defer to Famous George. This led to Lynne being asked to join the super group Traveling Willburys, where he was (in my opinion) self-consciously the least known or famous, lol. He tried to model ELO (the 70's band he founded) off of the Beatles, even going so far to state their mission was to "pick up where I am the Walrus left off" -yeah right- mission NOT accomplished... So he worked very closely with George as friend, engineer, and fellow artist on much of George's latter day material. That is why he got thrown the bone of doing 'free as a bird' and not George Martin, I feel. Faul was likely throwing his weight around in the studio, and with album cover design, and controlling as much as they'd put up with, so they allowed George H. to choose the producer. Interestingly, Lynne produced (with George's son, Dhanni) the 'Brainwashed' album...George's last. Heh...brainwashed....could that be a reference to the world brainwashed into accepting FAUL as Paul?  |
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Post by Eggman on Oct 23, 2003 21:26:08 GMT
He tried to model ELO (the 70's band he founded) off of the Beatles, even going so far to state their mission was to "pick up where I am the Walrus left off" -yeah right- mission NOT accomplished... What do you mean with that Ian?  Thanks so much for your interesting opinion!!!! |
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Post by eyesbleed on Oct 23, 2003 22:13:02 GMT
He tried to model ELO (the 70's band he founded) off of the Beatles, even going so far to state their mission was to "pick up where I am the Walrus left off" -yeah right- mission NOT accomplished... Obviously Jeff Lynn thought his music was much better than it really was! I always considered ELO a total bore. The only album worth a listen is the very first one, and that's only because Roy Wood helped him with it & showed him what to do. As soon as Roy left it with Jeff, ELO became the most boring band on the radio. |
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Post by Eggman on Oct 23, 2003 22:16:59 GMT
Yes, I just like a few things of ELO |
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Oct 23, 2003 23:50:18 GMT
EGGY- I meant what it said; in their early years of ELO, Lynne made the pompous statement that he wanted his band to "continue musically where Walrus left off" which musically meant the melding of the strings with guitars and rock, which, depending on the artist and their creative vision, could result in breaking new ground and continuing the psychedelic and intelligent brand of rock typified by 'Walrus.' I agree with Eyesbleed (I think that's who said it)---ELO were bland and calculated and topical and lacking red blood cells! LOL. |
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Post by TheWatusi on Oct 24, 2003 2:59:06 GMT
no offense, but i despise ELO! |
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Post by 17thBeatle on Oct 24, 2003 6:26:06 GMT
HI everyone,
I would just like to say in defense of Jeff Lynne that he is one of the most underrated song writers of the past 30 years. Granted, Jeff Lynne is a pale reflection of Lennon/McCartney, but he has always tried very hard to emulate the Beatles' sound and essence, so he can't be that bad. At least he is on the right track and at least he knows and appreciates genious when he hears it. ELO's hits aside, there are some very good deep cuts on the albums. If you have the time, give a listen to ELO's 1981 "Time" album.
As far as his role in the PID scenario, I don't know where he stands. Given his closeness to George Harrison, I suspect he may know something. He has always been pretty low-key concerning his own exposure, so maybe that is a clue in itself.
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Oct 24, 2003 19:52:58 GMT
HI everyone, I would just like to say in defense of Jeff Lynne that he is one of the most underrated song writers of the past 30 years. Granted, Jeff Lynne is a pale reflection of Lennon/McCartney, but he has always tried very hard to emulate the Beatles' sound and essence, so he can't be that bad. At least he is on the right track and at least he knows and appreciates genious when he hears it Yeah but.....imitation of another band's vibe and style and sound isn't (to me) genius; it's copying and any real musician or songwriter can do that. Case in point: every few years or so, we hear some unknowns try to rip-off the Led Zeppelin sound/style in an attempt to have a "hit." Kingdom Come and Whitesnake are two of those offenders that come to mind on that score. It used to be, that to sound 'Beatleish' was a great compliment, and would usually open doors. But within the last decade or so, the british sound has cycled out of favor, for the most part. Nowadays, you have to down-tune the guitars and growl, yell, and scream hateful and negative lyrics to get noticed. I hope the cycle turns soon that real singing and song craftsmanship returns. Today's recording industry is focused on the 18 to 24 year-old demographic. |
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Post by Darkhorse on Oct 24, 2003 20:19:09 GMT
Musical tastes are a matter of opinion. I happen to like ELO although I don't think they are in the class of the Beatles.
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Post by PaulBearer on Oct 25, 2003 2:59:08 GMT
Telephone Line is about the only song of theirs that I know. Another "one hit wonder" band.
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Post by raymi46 on Oct 25, 2003 3:50:49 GMT
I liked "Don't Bring Me Down" and there was another one too but I cannot remember the name.
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Post by Perplexed on Oct 25, 2003 4:14:09 GMT
"'Cause I can't get it outta my head, I just can't get it outta my head, now my whole world is (  ?) for dead, NO, NO, NO! Memory does not always serve. |
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Post by raymi46 on Oct 25, 2003 4:35:20 GMT
Yeah, i remember that one too, but the one I'm thinking of was more like a ballad. I guess I'll have to look for my 8-tracks.
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Post by raymi46 on Oct 25, 2003 4:58:58 GMT
I got it..."Livin" Thing." Not quite a ballad I guess.
"now my old world is gone for dead"
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Post by TotalInformation on Oct 26, 2003 17:53:20 GMT
Simple.
George Martin was British intelligence since before the time he told Brian Epstein he was signing The Beatles to EMI.
Harrison didn't want Martin intimately involved in the production of the Free As A Bird video, as Martin may have tried to put the kibosh on all the clues embedded within.
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Post by Perplexed on Oct 26, 2003 22:35:05 GMT
THANK YOU!
Now my whole world is gone for dead...
is it then:
ah, NO NO NO.
or is it:
ah, WHOA WHOA WHOA?
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Post by raymi46 on Oct 26, 2003 23:32:37 GMT
ok, this is it........ "now my old world is gone for dead 'cos i can't get it out of my head,no,no,no" www.lyrics.net.ua  |
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Post by IanSingleton777 on Oct 27, 2003 6:00:46 GMT
Simple. George Martin was British intelligence since before the time he told Brian Epstein he was signing The Beatles to EMI. Harrison didn't want Martin intimately involved in the production of the Free As A Bird video, as Martin may have tried to put the kibosh on all the clues embedded within. Last I heard, old George Martin was AUDIO not VIDEO...that would be quite a ways removed from his realm of expertise, aye? |
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