Dogs and Flys

[byrdsmaniac]

Maybe I'm stating the obvious, but after listening to the song "3 Legs" on the RAM album by Faul,
I got to thinking that the "dog" in the song couldn't be the "woof woof" kind.
Then I thought of how someone had noticed that the Bonzo Dog Band was made up of Beatle look-alikes. The bonzo DOG band.
So then I started thinking about references to "dogs" as "doubles".
Now look at this David Bowie song Sister Mary Abbey posted on the first page of the
"Paul Is Found...Where?" thread:



'87 And Cry - The Song

Words and music by David Bowie.

Lyrics
It's just a one dollar secret
A lover's secrets in the UK
Torn apart in the UK
In the dribble of May-Day
'87 and Cry
'87 and Cry
And there's nothing inside
And there's nothing in mind
And only you
Rocket on thru the sky
It couldn't be done without dogs
It couldn't be once without us
'87 and Cry
'87 and Cry

When the days were the days were the days boys
When blue ties were for the biggy guys
Frannie dressing down for the enemy
You saw him hangin' on the enemy
And there's no one in love
And there's nowhere to scream
And only you
Race on to wonder where
It couldn't be done without dogs
It couldn't be once without us
'87 and Cry
'87 and Cry
You can't make love with money
You can't make mistakes with babies
Nothing looked good on you
That's how I liked you best
Now you're ready for the real McCoy

Deep in the heart of Cupid
Murders on the heels of love
Just the ghost of a story
Just a one dollar secret
Baby these were the sounds
Baby these were the sounds
And only you
Whisper these things aren't true
It couldn't be done with dogs
It couldn't be once without us
'87 and Cry
'87 and Cry



"It couldn't be done without dogs"
and "It couldn't be done with dogs"


Diamond Dogs?


DIAMOND DOGS
As they pulled you out of the oxygen tent
you asked for the latest party
With your silicon hump and your ten inch stump
Dressed like a priest you was,
Todd Browning streak he was
Crawling down the alley on your hands and knee,
I'm sure you're not protected, for its plain to see
Diamond Dogs are poachers, and they hide behind trees
Hunt you to the ground they will,
mannequins with kill appeal

*chorus*
Will they come?
I keep a friend serene
Will they come?
Oh, baby, come unto me
Will they come?
Well, she's come, been, and gone
Come out of the garden, baby
You'll catch a death in the fog
Young girl, they call them the Diamond Dogs
Young girl, they call them the Diamond Dogs


The Halloween Jack is a real cool cat,
and he lives on top of Manhattan Chase
The elevators broke, so he slides down a rope
onto the street below, oh Tarzie, go man, go
Meets his little hussy with his ghost-town approach
Her face is sans feature, but she wears a Dali broach
Sweetly reminiscent, something mother used to bake
Wrecked up and paralyzed, Diamond Dogs are sable-ized

*chorus*

Who-who-who
Call them the Diamond Dogs
Who-who-who
Call them the Diamond Dogs
Ahhh-whooo, ah
Ah-owwww
wuf-wuf

In the year of the scavenger, season of the bitch
Sashay on the board-walk, scurry to the ditch
Just another future song, lonely little Keats
There's gonna be sorrow, try and wake up tomorrow

*chorus*

Who-who-who
Call them the Diamond Dogs
Who-who-who
Call them the Diamond Dogs
Bow-wow, woof woof, bow-wow, wow
Call them the Diamond Dogs
Dogs
Call them the Diamond Dogs
Call them, call them
Call them the Diamond Dogs
Call them, call them, ooooo
Call them the Diamond Dogs
Keep cool
Diamond Dogs, OK
Hey-hey-hey-hey
Beware of the Diamond Dogs
Beware of the Diamond Dogs
Beware of the Diamond Dog
Beware of the Diamond Dog
Dog, dog, dog
Beware of the Diamond Dog


And for reference, "My dog he has 3 legs" lyrics:


Three Legs
Well when i walk, when i walk
On my horse upon the hill (when i walk the horse upon a hill)
Well when i walk, walk walk walk
On my horse upon the hill (when i walk the horse upon a hill)
And i lay me down
Will my lover love me still
A dog is here, (a dog is here), a dog is there (a dog is there)
My dog he got three leg
But he can't run

Well when i thought, well i thought
When i thought you was my friend (when i thought i could call you my friend)
When i thought, when i thought
When i thought you was my friend (when i thought i could call you my friend)
But you laid me down, put my heart around the bend

A fly flies in (a fly flies in), a fly flies out (a fly flies out)
Most flies they got three leg, but mine got one.

Well when i fly when i fly when i fly,when i fly above the cloud
(when i fly above the man in the crowd)
Well when i fly when i fly when i fly,when i fly above the crowd
(when i fly above the man in the crowd)

You can knock me down with a feather, yes you could
But you know it's not allowed (but you know it's not allowed)

A dog is here, (a dog is here), a dog is there (a dog is there)
My dog he got three leg
But he can't run

My dog he got three leg
Your dog he got none

My dog he got three leg
Your dog he got none

My dog he got three leg
Your dog he got none


So, Bowie was a "dog" once, eh?
In any case, dogs as doubles, and flies as spies.
And I guess "dogs" would also include those Pink Floyd
said were "riding the gravy train." (And btw, "Gravy Train" is a brand of DOG food in the USA.)
I'm guessing the term "dog" originates from the Bible story where a woman asks Jesus for a healing, and He says (shockingly) that he isn't sent to the "dogs", whereupon the woman says, "Yes, but the dogs eat the scraps from the master's table."
The "dogs" live off the fame of the star, in this case.

"Season of the bitch" in "Diamond Dogs" an allusion to Donovan's "Season of the Witch" single.
Many other dreadful clues, I'm sure. I REALLY don't like
what I'm reading in some of those lyrics.

Comments?

[plastic paul]

Cracking post, this is the kinda thing i like to see!

[TheDZ]

Yeah! Me too!

I recall that The Beatles were Johnny and the Moondogs briefly...

I'm thinking Byrds... hang on.

[semolinapilchard]

A correction is in order.

"Todd Browning's 'Freaks' you was" is the line, which is interesting as in the Twin Freaks thread, that movie is pictured. You see, Todd Browning also directed "Dracula" with Bela Lugosi.

[TotalInformation]

... and Ringo and Harry Nillson did a Dracula flick toward the end of the Apple years.

[semolinapilchard]

Yeah, and an album...I own it, it's really crazy come to think of it...it's got alot of weird narration about the coronation of the king. Unfortunately it is currently at a friends house miles away so I can't look at it.

[byrdsmaniac]

So, "Yellow matter custard
Dripping from a dead DOG's eye"
means
a look-alike was killed.
(Nothing to do but call his wife, then.)

"You was in a car crash, and you lost your hair."

Maybe the double was in a car crash and
wandered about in a daze.
The "death Cab for Cutie" may have picked
up the wrong "cutie".
Was the fool on the hill a "clone"?

[plastic paul]

Hey Bulldog

Sheep dog standing in the rain
Bull grog doing it again
Some kind of happiness is
measured out in miles
What make you think you're
something special when you smile

Childlike no on understand
Jack knife in your sweaty hands
Some kind of innocence is
measured out in years
You don't know what it's like
to listen to you fears

You can talk to me
You can talk to me
You can talk to me
If you're lonely, you can talk to me

Big man walking in the park
Wigwam frightened of the dark
Some kind of solitude is
measured out in you
You think you know but you haven't got a clue

You can talk to me
You can talk to me
You can talk to me
If you're lonely, you can talk to me

Hey Bulldog

So if dog = lookalike the bull = Paul?

"Hey Paul the lookalike, if you ever get lonely you can talk to me"

Sheep dog, Its the sheep again, doh!

And at the end faul does all the dog noises, from steve's beatles page;

2:06-3:04
The book "The Beatles Lyrics" has the words wrong to the ending. Most interesting, they don't include all of the John/Paul dialogue:
J/P) "Hey Bulldog ..."
P) "Hey man"
J) "What's that, boy?"
P) "Ruff!"
J) "Whaddya say?"
P) "I say, ruff!"
J) "Do you know any more?"
P) "Wowowowwwaaaaa"
J) Screams loudly
P) "You got it, that's it, you hit it, that's it man, Woop!, that's it you got it"
J) Screams hysterically
P) "Don't look at me man, I already have [ten children/grandchildren]"
P) "[Clap man, clap / Quiet boy,quiet]"
J) "Okay"
P) "[Clap! / Quiet!]"

Ta daaa!

[byrdsmaniac]

Huh? Please explain, I'm a little dense.

[plastic paul]

Surely as the founder of this thread you must realise which tree i'm (dare i say it?) barking up! Arf Arf! ;D

I mean that if dog is taken to be "a replacement" then in this song bull (as things have been said before abou words being similar ie Apple, Apollo etc) menas Paul, so "hey bulldog" becomes "hey paul-replacement" ( or double ) so interpret the words to be john talking to pauls double........

Plus the fact that towards the end of the song John starts talking to the dog, and faul starts barking as the dog, surely means something (if this example of dog meaning a double is to be believed then that has to mean something!)

HEY BULLDOG!

HEY PAULDOG!

Just try singing it!

[Dr.No]

very interesting stuff. Would "Three Dog Night" have any connection to this?

[semolinapilchard]

Alice Cooper

'Halo Of Flies'

I've got the answers
To all of your questions
If you've got the money
To pay me in gold

I will be living
In old Monte Carlo
And you will be reading
The secrets of soul

Daggers and contacts
And bright shiny limos
I've got a watch
That turns into a lifeboat

Glimmering nightgowns
And poisonous cobras
Silencer under the heel of my shoe

The elegance of China
They sent her to lie here on her back
But as she deeply moves me
She'd rather shoot me in my tracks

And while a Middle Asian lady
She really came as no surprise
But I still did destroy her
And I will smash
Halo of flies

I crossed the ocean
Where no one could see
And I put a time-bomb
In your submarine
Goodbye to old friends
The secret's in hand
With full ream of papers
And counterfeit plans
You never will understand


Remember folks, Alice Cooper played Marvin Sunk, 'The Sun King' in the Sgt. Pepper's movie. He sings 'Because'.

[byrdsmaniac]

guitarjon123 said:

very interesting stuff. Would "Three Dog Night" have any connection to this?

That's a really interesting question!

The name 3 Dog Night is supposed to have come
from the use of the arctic people of dogs to stay
warm. They slept with their dogs to keep warm,
so a "3 Dog Night" was one that was especially cold.

[byrdsmaniac]

semolinapilchard said:

The elegance of China
They sent her to lie here on her back
But as she deeply moves me
She'd rather shoot me in my tracks

I'll have to ask Sister Abbey if she has any idea who this could possibly be. ;D

[semolinapilchard]

PINK FLOYD - 'Dogs' Lyrics, from the album "Animals":

You gotta be crazy, you gotta have a real need
You gotta sleep on your toes, and when you're on the street
You gotta be able to pick out the easy meat with your eyes
closed
And then moving in silently, down wind and out of sight
You gotta strike when the moment is right without thinking.
And after a while, you can work on points for style
Like the club tie, and the firm handshake
A certain look in the eye, and an easy smile
You have to be trusted by the people that you lie to
So that when they turn their backs on you
You'll get the chance to put the knife in.
You gotta keep one eye looking over your shoulder
You know it's going to get harder, and harder, and harder as you
get older
And in the end you'll pack up, fly down south
Hide your head in the sand
Just another sad old man
All alone and dying of cancer.
And when you loose control, you'll reap the harvest that you've
sown
And as the fear grows, the bad blood slows and turns to stone
And it's too late to loose the weight you used to need to throw
around
So have a good drown, as you go down, alone
Dragged down by the stone.
I gotta admit that I'm a little bit confused
Sometimes it seems to me as if I'm just being used
Gotta stay awake, gotta try and shake off this creeping malaise
If I don't stand my own ground, how can I find my way out of
this maze?
Deaf, dumb, and blind, you just keep on pretending
That everyone's expendable and no-one has a real friend
And it seems to you the thing to do would be to isolate the
winner
And everythings done under the sun
And you believe at heart, everyone's a killer.
Who was born in a house full of pain
Who was trained not to spit in the fan
Who was told what to do by the man
Who was broken by trained personnel
Who was fitted with collar and chain
Who was given a pat on the back
Who was breaking away from the pack
Who was only a stranger at home
Who was ground down in the end
Who was found dead on the phone
Who was dragged down by the stone.


I think this one may have a couple clues, how 'bout y'all?

[abbey]

Bull's eye, Semolina! I think you may well be right. Usually I think people are going overboard in looking for clues outside Beatle songs. But then again maybe others were horrified and did take hint from Johnny and started giving "hints"

[byrdsmaniac]

Look at these lyrics from Bowie's "Under Pressure"


UNDER PRESSURE
David Bowie

Bah bah bah bah bah bah bah bah
Bah bah bah bah bah bah
Pressure pressing down on me
Under pressure
That burns a building down
Splits a family in two
Puts people on streets

Bah bah bah bah bah bah
Bah bah bah bah bah bah

That’s o-kay!
It’s the terror of knowing
What this world is about
Watching some good friends
Screaming let me out
Pray tomorrow takes me higher
Pressure on people

Do do do bah bah bah bah
O-kay
Chippin around
Kick my brains around the floor
These are the days
It never rains it pours
People on streets
People on streets

It’s the terror of knowing
What this world is about
Watching some good friends
Screaming let me out
Pray tomorrow takes me higher
People people on streets
Turned away from it all
Like a blind man
Sat on fence but it don’t work
Keep coming up with love
But it’s so slashed and torn
Why why why?
Love love love love

Insanity laughs under pressure we’re cracking
Can’t we give ourselves one more chance?
Why can’t we give love one more chance?
Why can’t we give love give love give love?
Give love give love give love give love give love
Cause love’s such an old fashioned word
And love dares you to care
For people on the edge of the night
And love dares you to change our way
Of caring about ourselves
This is our last dance
This is our last dance
This is ourselves under pressure
Under pressure pressure

You can hear the "Let me out!" screams on Revolution #9. I think they're audible on the forward and backwards versions, but what is significant is that Bowie is saying he was there! Then the lyrics suggest he "sat on the fence" about what had happened, troubled by what he had seen. Then he switched sides?
Became a good guy, as it were?

Remember:"It couldn't be done without dogs
It couldn't be once without us." from "87 and Cry" lyrics above.

[plastic paul]

Byrds i think you are 50:50 with your calls, some could be, and i mean could be, related to JPM, but most i reckon are not PID related to be honest, and i think (as i said before) you post too many lyrics to random songs, surely wasting valuable forum space? (feel free to put me in my place)

I think if you have to explain the meaning of a song to people and relate it to JPM without their own take, then it should be regarded as a no-no.

[plastic paul]

Having said that, i've become disillusioned with PID anyway because no-one seems to be receptive to other peoples theories (which i may be accused of myself), and when i first begun, i feel i was coming up with ideas all the time when i first joined but i've hit "the wall" recently and am struggling to find new evidence which i think i the crux of the matter.

There seems to be so many seperate factions on this forum, but we have to try to work together to keep everyone working for the common good, to find out what really happened to JPM, and to oust faul, whoever he really is.

Everyones work is good and valuable but we know paul is dead and was replaced so do we need to keep going over the fact that their pictures do not match?

We should focus on proving PID by finding new information and providing new theories and evidence.

[byrdsmaniac]

plasticpaul said:

Byrds i think you are 50:50 with your calls, some could be, and i mean could be, related to JPM, but most i reckon are not PID related to be honest, and i think (as i said before) you post too many lyrics to random songs, surely wasting valuable forum space? (feel free to put me in my place)

I think if you have to explain the meaning of a song to people and relate it to JPM without their own take, then it should be regarded as a no-no.

Wouldn't it be great if they were all that obvious?
Someone would just record a song and say, "I buried Paul. He's in the Dorchester cemetery. Yoko did it.
In the library with the lead pipe. She was jealous."

Unfortunately, 'til someone does that, then we're left
with obscure references and obtuse clues. If you think
that "most" of the lyrics I post don't relate, you're free to say why, but I have no way to defend myself if you're not specific. I try to be judicious about it; I understand the "taking up space" issue, but at the same time, if I just post the pertinent clue lyrics out of context, they become meaningless as well. I'll try to edit more where I can without losing context in the future, but if the entire song seems needed to convey the message, then I'll leave it intact.

[plastic paul]

I dont wanna be going around with my eyes closed, but surely you could put PID connurtations on any song.

[defhermit]

Seriously... if those 2 lines from under pressure point to Paul McCartney in your mind, I think about 30 percent of the song lyrics in the world would.

[byrdsmaniac]

Defhermit, they probably wouldn't except that Bowie wrote so many songs that referenced the Beatles that
I've come to look for that in his songs. He could only include so much in any given song. I don't think he wanted to be obvious about it, but he was hoping the Defhermits of the world would take note. A vain hope, apparently.

PlasticPaul wrote:
"I dont wanna be going around with my eyes closed, but surely you could put PID connurtations on any song."
You probably could. I try to point to the ones that actually are related to it, imo.

[semolinapilchard]

I already started an Under Pressure thread about a month ago...I agree with Byrds.

[byrdsmaniac]

Thank you for posting that Semolina.