The Cliff The Scream The Wall

[BeatlePaul]

The Cliff - The Scream - The Wall

[byrdsmaniac]

BP, that's excellent.
The "feet down below his knee" could be from a jump off the wall after Sylvie fell or was thrown off.
Where did your cliff picture come from?
Almost looks like the screamer is in the upper right corner of that one too.

[BeatlePaul]

byrdsmaniac said:

BP, that's excellent.
Where did your cliff picture come from?
Almost looks like the screamer is in the upper right corner of that one too.

The cliff is from "Magical Mystery Tour" film, again

It's among the "Flying" sequence

[beatled]

You know something? You got something here BP. "The Scream" may very well be there on the back of AR, the tip off is how the woman in the blue dress,and how well it blends in with the blue portion of the actual painting. (her true reason for being there perhaps?) The face is not there entirely, it's as if they took it and turned it into puzzle pieces, then removed a few of the pieces. (of the puzzle..which is perhaps descriptive of this entire mystery)

Then you have possibly "The Scream" on the album cover of "The Wall", well it's highly probable really. The scream is on the wall, get it? It may seem tenuous, but who knows, Floyd was connected and quite around and about back in those days..

Interesting article in Wiki, it seems as if this work has as many possible interpretations as Beatles music, and generates as much disagreement.

What Munch had to say:

I was walking along a path with two friends – the sun was setting – suddenly the sky turned blood red – I paused, feeling exhausted, and leaned on the fence – there was blood and tongues of fire above the blue-black fjord and the city – my friends walked on, and I stood there trembling with anxiety – and I sensed an infinite scream passing through nature.

Interesting: The scene is from a road overlooking Oslo, the Oslofjord and Hovedøya, from the hill of Ekeberg. At the time of painting the work Munch's manic depressive sister Laura Cathrine was interned in the mental hospital at the foot of Ekeberg.

Great post!

[plastic paul]

Now I know where the "cliff" is from I can post!

Great find BP, where/how did you discover it?

[beatled]

plasticpaul said:

Now I know where the "cliff" is from I can post!

Great find BP, where/how did you discover it?

A little bit about the Flying sequence, it was filmed by Kubrick for the "Dr. Strangelove" scenes that took place in the plane as it was flying over Russia. The scenes are not Russia of course, they are.. I forget, but should be easy to Google. They purchased the film footage, as it was from parts not used in the movie. I think I read Kubrick was a little upset when he found out its intended use. (guess he got over it)

I can't speak for BP, but some things are right under your nose until one day..

[BeatlePaul]

Sylvie as jumping over a fence (Paul screaming: "OMG").

Sylvie died

The incident scene ( near a zoo? - animal costumes- ).

Paul accused as "bad boy", as the Walrus.

beatled said:

Interesting: The scene is from a road overlooking Oslo, the Oslofjord and Hovedøya, from the hill of Ekeberg. At the time of painting the work Munch's manic depressive sister Laura Cathrine was interned in the mental hospital at the foot of Ekeberg.

Great post!

The lunatic is on the grass
The lunatic is on the grass
Remembering games and daisy chains and laughs
Got to keep the loonies on the path

The lunatic is in the hall
The lunatics are in my hall
The paper holds their folded faces to the floor
And every day the paper boy brings more

And if the dam breaks open many years too soon
And if there is no room upon the hill
And if your head explodes with dark forbodings too
I’ll see you on the dark side of the moon

The lunatic is in my head
The lunatic is in my head
You raise the blade, you make the change
You re-arrange me ’till I’m sane
You lock the door
And throw away the key
There’s someone in my head but it’s not me.

And if the cloud bursts, thunder in your ear
You shout and no one seems to hear
And if the band you’re in starts playing different tunes
I’ll see you on the dark side of the moon

I have not to tell HOW MANY SHARING VERESES there are in that Pink Floyd song....

[byrdsmaniac]

You missed one BP. "There’s someone in my head but it’s not me."
It's Faul. ;D
And before that:
"You lock the door
And throw away the key" (what was done to Paul)
And before that:
"The lunatic is in my head
You raise the blade, you make the change
You re-arrange me ’till I’m sane"
which overtly would seem to be about brain surgery, of course. And one might think it was in reference to Syd Barrett, but Pink Floyd was about bigger things.
It is about the surgery involved in the creation of false Pauls, imo.

[byrdsmaniac]

I don't mean to take this thread away from where you were taking it, but about "Dark Side of the Moon":

BeatlePaul you had said that on "Abbey Road"
the first side of the record album was about Paul, and the second side was about Faul.
Think of DSOTM in a similar vein.

The opening scene is the lunatic asylum. You hear the residents talking, and one says, "They have you explain why you're mad, even when you're not mad."
This song is called "Speak to Me".
(Remember, Paul was dumb for a while: "He never gives an answer" in Fool on the Hill).
Then songs follow.
The last song on the "A" side of the record album was "The Great Gig in the Sky", with someone saying they're not afraid of dying. (Paul is dead).
Then the "B" side opens up with the song "Money".
Is this song about one specific person? Could be.
Then the song "Us and Them" about the military industrial complex taking advantage of "ordinary men".
(I.E. Cashing in on the record industry.)
"Any Color You Like" comes from a statement Henry Ford once said that you could get any color Ford car you want, as long as it's BLACK. ("Black Ops" - secretly funded military operations). The song has other meanings as well.
"Brain Damage" - (Paul's condition? Or ours?)
Then "Eclipse", ending in the statement "The sun is eclipsed by the moon".
The "sun" (Faul) gets eclipsed by "the moon" (Paul) in the end. (Other interpretations fit as well.)
How can that be? If Paul is dead, how can that happen?
Wait and see! ;D

One other thing: imo, the lunatic asylum in the opening cut represents the Earth, and we are the patients in this analogy.
"I've always been mad. I know I've been mad like most of us are."

One last thing: Why are pyramids all over this album?
Pyramids were used to lock the Earth into TIME*.
The stone ones were, anyway. (They locked the door and threw away the key.)
So the light shining through a glass pyramid represents....
*"TIME" one of the songs on the album.
"All that is now, all that is gone, all that's to come, and everything under the sun is in tune, but..."

[JamesPaul & Brian]

beatlepaul said:

The incident scene ( near a zoo? - animal costumes- ).

Dressing for a pagan ritual?

[plastic paul]

My god byrds, you are full of it, where do you get this stuff from!

(sounds sarcastic but i'm being serious)

I agree with your analogy to SFF

Always, no sometimes, think it's me,
but you know when it's a dream.
I think I know I mean a 'Yes'.
But it's all wrong.
That is I think I disagree"

Perhaps comprehending it all was a lot harder for him than it could ever be for us....

[byrdsmaniac]

Plastic Paul, Some of it is from what I've read in my life, like the Pyramids locking in time is mentioned in "Linda Goodman's Star Signs" where she's doing the lexigrams, and the one comes out "Ra hated time".
Other sources as well.
Some from what I've read in rock magazines.
Some from the thinking process your post mentioned (SFF).
Some of it comes from the basic blueprint of Christianity, surprisingly enough.
("Got to keep 'the loonies' on the path.")
And I get by with a little help from my friends. You do too.
Oh, yes, and of course from the music and lyrics too!
That's where the clues are truly stored, awaiting discovery.


And yes, sometimes, no always? I am full of it. ;D