The plane crash

[captaintruth]

Hi !

Don't expect me to have something new about the so called 'plane crash'. I still wonder if this has something to do with the death of Paul. If i am right, this never really was mentioned in the original ducument - it was later included with the sentence ''Brian was still in the plane when it went into the sea.''
Has someone more than pure speculation about this ?
For me, i don't beliebve in this at all...

captaintruth

[byrdsmaniac]

Captaintruth wrote:
"Has someone more than pure speculation about this?"

That's a pretty tall order, Captain.
If we hear from someone who has the actual data, that person would have to be brave beyond words to tell the tale. If you are looking for flight numbers and records, I'm sure those things have been modified or classified to hide what happened. I doubt that more than a dozen people in the world have access to that material.
I might have more to say after I review the present "official" version of the story.

[byrdsmaniac]

I still haven't had an opportunity to look at the current version of the official story,
but son-of-a-gun if I didn't chance upon this little tid-bit while I was looking up information on a Byrds album:

"Four additional outtakes from the Notorious sessions, all instrumentals, surfaced in recent years.
"Flight 713 (Song No. 2)" appeared in 1989, on the CD release of Never Before."

That quote is from this site:
ebni.com/byrds/lpnbb.html#Lalter

You may not understand why it might be significant, but it may be, because the "Notorious Byrd Brothers" album
seems to possibly have been their effort to put out PID clues, imo. Even the name of the album is how "bad guys" (outlaws) were referred to in the "old west" in the USA. So portraying themselves as outlaws sort of corresponds to Paul being an outlaw, but the songs seem to link to the idea as well. (See my recent post on the PID suspect songs thread.)

[byrdsmaniac]

I'm veering off topic here a bit, but this blew me away:

In the site I mentioned above, there is reference to a song called "Bound To Fall" that Chris Hillman used when he was with the group Manassas.
When I did a search for the lyrics of this song, I immediately came up with three song references:

www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Bound-To-Fall-lyrics-Odd-Project/0BC134B1C576EC4048256E9D0003ECA4

bobdylan.com/songs/rolling.html

www.oldielyrics.com/lyrics/emerson_lake_palmer/so_far_to_fall.html

None are the song that Manassas sang, but much of Emerson, Lake and Palmer was about PID, imo, and
then we have Dylan's "Like A Rolling Stone", and the thought occurred to me: "Holy Cr**!
What if "Like A Rolling Stone" is supposed to be about Paul?!
What an insult it would be for Dylan to suggest (s)he was "like a Rolling Stone"! Like Mick Jagger!
And then I remembered the Stones had an album called "Some Girls" where their faces were made up like women!
Were they trying to tell us something about Paul?
As for "Like A Rolling Stone", the lyrics don't really match Paul's upbringing, so it probably isn't about Paul, but it still makes me wonder.

As for the first song I posted from "Odd Project", the lyrics could be appropriate, though I know nothing about them.

[byrdsmaniac]

Here are the Manassas "Bound To Fall" lyrics.
You can decide whether they're about Paul.

BOUND TO FALL
Just as everythings going fine
Lose my grip and slide
Bounce the rock and catch the ball
Bound to fall
Fall stumble or toe the line
See my face and hide
Catch the tears I've cried
From reality it seems I've strayed
Tired of all the silly games I play
Da da da da

From reality it seems I've strayed
Tired of all the silly games I play
Just as everythings going fine
See my life in rhyme
Hear my hand slip from the wall
Bound to fall
Fall, stumble and reaching blind
Oh, how hard I've tried
Possibly I've died
(end)

For my two cents, there's no doubt about it.

I'll stop doing lyrics now, and let this thread get back to the issue of the plane crash.
It wasn't a crash, btw, it was shot down, if the musical clues are to be considered.

[captaintruth]

Hi !

I never had the idea, that the Byrds had something to tell us about ''Paul is dead''. Whatever the lyrics of the Byrds or Manassas might point to, i remember that David Crosby was with the fab four on their last america tour in 1966 and maybe David, who was with them -shortly before Paul was killed (?)- had sensed something that was different later that same year with the replacement of 'Faul' McCartney, after he met the real Paul in person some days before he died...

Interesting point i think...

captaintruth

[byrdsmaniac]

He (David CrosbY) did write "Triad" about a woman being loved by two men. (Johnny-Sylvie-Paul?)
The Jefferson Airplane recorded it.
It could be coincidence that he wrote it, but there's probably a story to it. You might think he was
speaking from his own personal experience, but he was
close enough to the Beatles to have heard the tale.
And it seems that Chris Hillman and Roger McGuinn knew too.

[TotalInformation]

"Triad" is a threeway, not a love triangle. It's a term from Crosby's favorite book.

Grok?

(Also, lyrics seem more to point to a two gals / one guy situtation.)

byrdsmaniac said:

He (David CrosbY) did write "Triad" about a woman being loved by two men. (Johnny-Sylvie-Paul?)
The Jefferson Airplane recorded it.
It could be coincidence that he wrote it, but there's probably a story to it. You might think he was
speaking from his own personal experience, but he was
close enough to the Beatles to have heard the tale.
And it seems that Chris Hillman and Roger McGuinn knew too.