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Post by Forum Manager on Aug 8, 2003 19:29:51 GMT
we must find LESO!
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Post by PaulBearer on Aug 9, 2003 14:51:06 GMT
Supposedly October and November 1966 is the time when Paul was supposed to have written a score for "The Family Way" (which is ridiculous because he couldn't read score sheets) and gone on safari to Kenya with Mal Evans and (we've been told on the old forum here by someone calling himself BillS who may actually be HIM) Jane Asher.
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Post by SunKing on Aug 9, 2003 15:02:53 GMT
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Post by OceanChild on Aug 9, 2003 22:25:01 GMT
I am a television producer in the UK. I've sent an email to both Uberkinder and SunKing today. I want to try and make a one hour documentary on Paul/Faul- with every kind of expert one could get.
I mentioned in my email to Uberkinder and SunKing that there would be very little way the documentary would have *any* kind of conclusion - neither Paul is Dead or Paul isn't Dead - it would be left for the audience to decide. That's the way broadcasters like it...
There is a little something in the UK called libel (and its best friend slander)... our freedom of speech isn't protected by the First Amendment of the Constitution and therefore there are very strict guidelines about what can and cannot be said about people in the press. Even if 9 out of 10 of our experts found inconsistencies between pre-66 and post-66 Paul there would be no way the lawyers would allow the film to say 'Paul is Dead'. If one of the contributors says it however that's fine, but the 'voice' of the film can not.
What can be done, however, is show THE TRUTH.
I am currently getting myself of to speed with this ploughing through this fascinating messageboard.
I always wondered why Paul looked so strange around Sgt. Pepper....
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Post by Renee on Aug 9, 2003 22:36:53 GMT
That's a kickass idea you have there. Will it broadcast in America?
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Post by SunKing on Aug 9, 2003 22:39:18 GMT
OceanChild, I'm SO PROUD to see you here, Sir. What you have already described is my (and my friends')topical dream. What you have told is ALL RIGHT!. A professional man, at last! Thank You so much!
Sun King
P.S. Why a SO WEIRD image for your post?
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Post by SunKing on Aug 9, 2003 22:40:55 GMT
"BillS" sounded like he was trying very hard to put you guys off... Perfect again, Jae! Congratulations!
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Post by OceanChild on Aug 9, 2003 23:20:38 GMT
SunKing- First to clarify I am a woman, though if you still want to call me Sir I shall not be offended. The image is Yoko which means 'Ocean Child'... I, like, most everyone else was 'brainwashed' into believing that Yoko was evil and nasty and the reason the Beatles broke up. I went to see a retrospective art exhibit of hers a few years ago and was blown away by her talent and innovation. The woman rules! I am pouring over Paul/Faul info at the moment so I can write a knowledgeable document to give to a commissioner though I've not really thought about where I'd want to go- either the BBC or Channel 4 (one of the main networks). Personally, I think it's far more suited to Channel 4 - who just happen to have a co-production agreement with Discovery, which means if they want to use it as a Discovery/Channel 4 project, it has a very good chance of being broadcast in the US. I must point out that the film is *not* commissioned. The commissioning process alone can take up to a year or more (tedious, yes). I could write a proposal and get it through various commissioning rounds and work on it for more than a year and they still could turn it down. Saying that I think it would make compelling viewing...
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Post by Renee on Aug 9, 2003 23:25:21 GMT
It would be great if you can get a commission for the project. If they team up with Discovery Channel over here, I'll check it out. But I think it would be very controversial. McCartney's people could get really ripped over it and sue.
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Post by SunKing on Aug 9, 2003 23:34:14 GMT
SunKing- First to clarify I am a woman, though if you still want to call me Sir I shall not be offended. The image is Yoko which means 'Ocean Child'... I, like, most everyone else was 'brainwashed' into believing that Yoko was evil and nasty and the reason the Beatles broke up. I went to see a retrospective art exhibit of hers a few years ago and was blown away by her talent and innovation. The woman rules! I am pouring over Paul/Faul info at the moment so I can write a knowledgeable document to give to a commissioner though I've not really thought about where I'd want to go- either the BBC or Channel 4 (one of the main networks). Personally, I think it's far more suited to Channel 4 - who just happen to have a co-production agreement with Discovery, which means if they want to use it as a Discovery/Channel 4 project, it has a very good chance of being broadcast in the US. I must point out that the film is *not* commissioned. The commissioning process alone can take up to a year or more (tedious, yes). I could write a proposal and get it through various commissioning rounds and work on it for more than a year and they still could turn it down. Saying that I think it would make compelling viewing... Sorry, excuse me, madam. Well, very good news! Thank You for your interest! How can I help you? P.S. I have nothing personal against Yoko...and... please read ALL my past posts in this forum....there are REALLY AMAZING NEWS...
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Post by OceanChild on Aug 9, 2003 23:49:18 GMT
Mrs. Redford- He couldn’t sue if forensics experts where studying his pictures. He couldn’t sue if audio experts where studying voice clips. He couldn’t sue if handwriting experts were studying his handwriting. He couldn’t sue if they said what they found. He couldn’t sue if SunKing or Uberkinder said ‘I think Paul is Dead’. The only way he could sue is if the film’s ‘voice’- ie either the literal voice that does the narration or purely the editorial slant of the film – says ‘Paul is Dead’. Doing films about things like JFK or Jack the Ripper are easy because they can say ‘Oswald didn’t act alone’ or ‘Jack was really Walter Richard Sickert’ because virtually everyone involved is already dead. Now is could really turn out that Paul is Dead…and, of course, Paul couldn’t sue, but Macca could. For defamation, for slander, for damage to his reputation. Then it would be up to the courts to decide. And you can bet that anything that goes against the Establishment will be crushed. Look at the McLibel trial. SunKing- Did you get the email I sent to you today? I hope it was you. The subject was Paul/Faul…
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Post by OceanChild on Aug 9, 2003 23:50:49 GMT
I just have to say... I know how to spell 'were' but it's quarter to 1 in the morning right now and I should be in bed... nite all.
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 9, 2003 23:50:54 GMT
Doppelgangers are covered under the Official Secrets Act in the UK -- this is why the Beatles were threatened with death and why you won't see channel 4 commission a film on this. Discovery has backed down in the face of pressure before as well. Here's a link to a documentary about pedophila and politicians up to the highest levels in DC that they killed right before it was supposed to air: sf.indymedia.org/uploads/conspiracyofsilence2.wmv
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Post by pennylane on Aug 9, 2003 23:53:33 GMT
i really hope i'm wrong about this but i think its a fake..
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Post by Renee on Aug 10, 2003 0:00:36 GMT
I don't work for any media establishment, so I really can't give anyone an opinion. But I think that even with professionals on the job SOMEBODY will look for a reason to get the whole lot of you in trouble. Whether it's for defamation or not, is their problem. They could claim the project is being given a slant in the favor of PID...because, after all, why are people bothering to make a documentary in the first place? Then the producers will fire back and so on and so on.
I'm not necessarily taking sides.
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Post by PaulBearer on Aug 10, 2003 4:43:50 GMT
Oceanchild,
Even a plug for the site on "BBC World Click online", which you appear to be associated with, would do wonders for this story, because that program is shown around the world.
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Post by OceanChild on Aug 10, 2003 9:11:04 GMT
Morning!
If a documentary was made it would be the documentary makers and the broadcaster that would be sued, probably not the people taking part... You can say what you want, when you want as long as it's not 'broadcast' to the world. If someone goes on camera and says 'Paul is Dead' or 'Politicians are paedos' and the accused decides to sue they will go after 'the money'. My guess is no one here would be able to afford to pay millions in damages should you go to court and sue... but a broadcaster can...
Libel law covers the Internet as well. If anything libelous is published online technically the editor or webmaster AND the ISP are responsible and could be taken to court.
Thing is unlike the 'Politicians are paedos' claim, the whole 'Paul is Dead' theory would be brushed off as a bunch of cranks...
But then...
"All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
I am not working for BBC World at the moment. Though a mention on the programme *would* help the hit rate of the site, it wouldn't help 'the cause'. What you need is a real investigation.
I'm writing the first draft of a proposal today and sending it to my co-producer. I will keep you all informed.
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Post by Chris on Aug 10, 2003 12:35:44 GMT
;D Ocean Child. I am so happy to see someone with credentials & credibility take a real interest in this. I know that it has to be done a certain way. That it has to be worded a certain way. However, by having you in our ballpark, we've just moved one step closer to exposing the TRUTH...
Thank you...
Chris ;D
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Post by LUCY on Aug 11, 2003 18:37:12 GMT
LESO= Land Earth Station Operator (EUROPE)
MARS = Military Affiliate Radio System (US)
BEAT LESO
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Post by OceanChild on Aug 12, 2003 20:35:19 GMT
Jae and TotalInformation- I don't quite understand why 'doppelgangers' would be covered under the Official Secrets Act. Can anyone refer me to some kind of documentation that says this? Technically ‘doppelganger’ is a ghostly apparition of a living person… surely this isn’t what you mean ?? If a lookalike more accurately describes what you are talking about then why would that be covered under the Official Secrets Act? There are many many very successful lookalikes doubling as famous people in the UK. You need to be more specific about this.
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 12, 2003 20:53:46 GMT
McCartney was replaced with the assisstance of the intelligence agencies, whose activities generally fall under the Official Secrets Act.
. . . just as when and if your royals or PMs have lookalikes standing in for them, that would be classified.
The Faul campaign was part of a larger operation of social change pushed by British intelligence, which would again fall under the ambit of an "official secret."
As would the domestic assassinations, from Tara Browne through George Harrison, that were part of the cover-up. (You may recall they jailed Shayler for revealing the monarchy had Diana killed.)
Why do you think 60IF says they were threatened with death? -- it wasn't for shits and giggles.
I wish you luck, though. Keep us updated.
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 13, 2003 15:11:00 GMT
That's true, jae.
I'd rather expect instead the docu would be killed early on in the process or the final edit would be so silly so as to discredit the whole affair.
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Post by Chris on Aug 13, 2003 15:35:16 GMT
Same here Ocean Child. I'm behind you 100%... Good luck !!! Chris
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Post by Forum Manager on Aug 13, 2003 22:03:05 GMT
i also had an idea to make a program for tv. but it would only view on public acces though. its still something. sure wont be nearly as professional as yours. maybe you could give me the basics of what i can and cant say.
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Post by TotalInformation on Aug 13, 2003 22:47:18 GMT
Libel law is totally different than the UK than the US. Here in the US you should be more than covered by a disclaimer similar to the one on Uberkinder's site.
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